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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭sibeen99


    Well done to all marathon runners! Yesterday was an amazing day. I'm really enjoying the race reports. Chin up Max, you finished the marathon despite all the obstacles you faced. That's determination and drive. You can be proud of yourself for that!

    I had a great weekend and now that I'm home can finally reflect on it. I'm not even going to attempt a race report as I can never remember much so I'll do a little synopsis instead.

    Travelled to Dublin on Saturday and collected number and had a quick look around the expo. It was starting to feel real. Dinner and into bed early, slept fairly well then it was breakfast time.

    Headed into the start about 8:15 and was in my wave ready to go by 9. I stayed a good bit behind the 4hr pacers as the plan was to go easy for the first few miles. Then it was time to go. The first few miles were great. I couldn't get over the support- amazing.

    I'm not from Dublin so I didn't know where I was running or what to expect. The first few miles were handy enough, mile 1 was 9:30 and by mile 6 average pace was 9:11. I was feeling good. Took a few sips from a gel at about 8 miles but was feeling a slight dodgy stomach so didn't overdo it. I drank lots of water and poured even more of it over me. It was hot out there!

    Got to halfway in just over 2hrs and started telling myself I could do it. This was my second marathon but first DCM and the support definitely helped. At mile 20 average pace was 9:07 and I was still going. Things were tough after that but I kept telling myself that this was my chance to break 4. About mile 24 my hamstrings started to cramp so I was afraid to push the pace. The last 1.2 miles seemed to last forever and at this stage I thought I might miss the sub 4. Eventually I saw the finish gantry and looked at my watch. It was gonna be close. I forced myself to push on and finally it was done. I almost collapsed on the poor volunteer waiting there but 3:59:46. Unbelievable!

    I'm still on a higher tiday, despite the aches. It's a day to remember.

    Thanks to nop, Firedance and the backroom staff for all the advice and encouragement. I've followed the Novices thread for a few years and am delighted to have been part of it this year. I'm not a big poster but I've gotten so much inspiration and tips from this thread. Thank you everyone :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Fbjm


    The Muppet wrote: »
    Before tge off zi was talking to a soldier in running gear who was hauling a 20 kg back pack and was targeting sub 5 hour . I wonder how he got on?

    He passed me in the last mile the fecker, so I'm gonna guess 5:18 or so since I was 5:19:16 :pac:


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    robinwing wrote: »
    Just back in from a 2.5 mile run

    :eek::eek::eek:

    I'm having trouble getting up from a sitting down position today and my legs are killing me! Can't believe anybody managed a run today after running a marathon yesterday! Take care not to overdo it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    PauloMN wrote: »
    :eek::eek::eek:

    I'm having trouble getting up from a sitting down position today and my legs are killing me! Can't believe anybody managed a run today after running a marathon yesterday! Take care not to overdo it.

    Same here, someone has replaced my quads with slabs of concrete.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    I am really enjoying all your race reports and am trying to read them all in detail. Some really inspiring stories and anecdotes and I know you're doing the class of 2017 a huge favour writing this all down. ;) I personally got hitched reading the 2014 reports.

    I see a couple of miles being logged already - each to their own, obviously, but there's no need / expectation / necessity to clock up some mileage at all until the weekend at the earliest. If I were you, I'd write off November for anything other than some easy junk miles. If you don't feel like running, then don't. This is a great opportunity to clock up some parkrun volunteering jobs, put together that IKEA cabinet, or (like TBO), finally do the dishes. :P

    Diego already mentioned it - but starting your own log here on boards is a great idea, too. Some of you have logs already or had them before the marathon journey. It's very useful to record your training, your paces, how you felt, etc. The boards community is great for providing some constructive feedback and you're bound to come across someone who'll say "you're going too fast" or "stick to the plan" :) From talking to some of you yesterday, there was some interest starting your own logs, I can only recommend it.

    Another thing to do in the coming couple of days, while not running, is to post-mortem the event from yesterday, and the months leading up to it. Last year, Clearlier, part of Dubgal's backroom team, posted the following questions:
    • What went well with your training plan?
    • What would you do differently with your training?
    • What went well about the race?
    • What would you do differently if you could start the race again?

    It might be beneficial to post your personal answers here, too, for inspiration of others.

    Right, back 14 pages to read the next report. Keep them coming! :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    I had planned on writing my race report this evening but it's taken me so long to read everyone elses that I think I'll wait til tomorrow.
    Big congrats to everyone for finishing & officially being marathon runners:cool:
    I'm still processing what happened to me yesterday. I felt fine until about mile 15, when out of nowhere, I felt like I'd been hit by a bus. The final 11 miles are not something I ever want to relive.
    I always knew I'd be disappointed to not run sub-4 but I'm actually more annoyed that I had to stop and walk a few times. Did not anticipate that. But that's life and I'm getting over it already.
    I thought I'd be dying to take a good few weeks off running straight after the marathon but actually I'm already looking forward to getting back out there. Although not sure when that'll be, today I'm shuffling around like a penguin. My heels are absolutely killing me!
    Great to see a few familiar and not so familiar faces in McGrattan's yesterday. A major part of my (happy) memories of DCM 2016 will be this thread:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭robinwing


    I can't wait until next year. I'm going to stand at the top of Milltown hill and think to myself, "Glad I'm only cheering people on this time"... ;)

    Laughed My Arse Off !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    aceygray wrote: »
    There's videos up here: http://www.asics.com/ie/en-ie/marathon/videos?rdpage=results&e=DM16

    I look so pale at the end! But at least I had the energy to put my arms up:D

    And I do a lot of looking around when I'm running! Never realised before.

    Thanks for that, good to re-live! Wow I'm really shuffling along, my hips are still in bits!

    What went well in your training?
    The first 16 weeks (out of 26) I ticked off all the training runs, I found Pilates classes a great help.

    What would you do differently?
    I'd listen to my body more, especially during the last 6 weeks. There was a few recovery runs where I think I done more damage than good.

    What went well about the race?
    I finished-eventually! I enjoyed it, I learned I'm made of stubborn stuff, the Phoenix park felt easy which it never does! Don't underestimate the power of the crowds calling your name!

    What would you do differently?
    I'd let my running mates go ahead earlier, I was scared of running alone- but ran 14 miles alone anyway and enjoyed it. I wouldn't try to sprint to catch up with them. I'd probably start it a little bit slower too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭ToriV


    Brilliant report and it was great to meet you. I swear I was laughing at the " supple" on your back for at least 5 miles before I caught you. Those three pacers were amazing. Massive congrats. ..There is something about going over that distance that takes the fear out of it now. Still respect it that 26.2 though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 the_vick


    Morning:
    Couldn't sleep much at all. Don't know why I was so nervous.
    Up at 6am. 3 weetabix, 2 slices of brown toast and a cup of coffee.
    Wait a while and first visit to the toilet. Great, but doesn’t yet feel like I'm done.
    Wait a while longer and second visit to the toilet. Fantastic, that's one thing I don't have to worry about.

    Pre-Race:
    Got a lift into Leeson bridge at 8am and made my way with the crowd to the baggage area. Met a nice woman from Cork who was coming out of marathon retirement to run with her 2 sons (I think she had more than 20 under her belt). She suggested queueing for the toilet even if I didn't feel I needed to go. Dropped off my bag and ate the flapjack that came in the goody bag as I walked down to the Wave 2 holding area. There were plenty of toilets available so I decided to heed the advice I had received and dropped off any remaining nerves :-). Things were still fairly quiet and I felt much more relaxed now than I had felt in the past 24 hours. I wore my trusty yellow Samsung night run t-shirt on. It has long sleeves which I pushed I spoke to the 03:40 pacer who I had met in the RDS on Friday. We recognised each other from work so we chatted for a while. He noted that the times on the pace band were the 26.2 mile splits but as we wouldn't be taking the shortest line in the actual race we'd be running a little bit further probably about 26.4 miles so we'd be running a little faster than the 8:23 on the pace bands, probably around 8:18. Hadn't considered that. I had originally toyed with running with the 03:30 pacers but mindful of the advice of this thread, thought it would be more prudent to go out slow and steady and make sure I had enough in the tank to finish the race. With 20 mins to go I had two gels and drank a little diluted Lucozade (again from the goody bag). Eventually the Wave 1 racers moved off and we moved out into Fitzwilliam Place. The pacers headed off up to the front but I decided to just find a little space about 50m back and waited for clock. I wore my trusted yellow Samsung night run t-shirt on. I got it on my first ever race, 1.5 years ago...

    Miles 1-4 Dublin City
    Started out comfortably let the pacers run a little ahead until some space opened up. Slow and steady was my mantra. The sheer number of people lining the roads was amazing. Wasn't missing my headphones at all. Slowly picked up the pace heading up to Christchurch and eventually caught up with the pacers at Stoneybatter. Skipped the first water station. Feeling very comfortable running at this pace. North Circular road is where I started feeling some pain in my outer left knee. About 3 weeks ago I had a slight stumble and started feeling a weakness in my right knee, like my knee was coming out of position when I landed in a certain way. Went to physio and got some resistance band exercises to strengthen my glutes and quads. My right knee was now feeling absolutely solid, not a hint of pain but my left knee was getting a little sore. Dr Google suggests that this is my IT band and I'll probably need to do some targeted work on it as it's still very tender today. So 4 miles in and it was a little sore, but I felt it was tolerable and hey, only 22 miles to go!

    Miles 5-8 Chesterfield Avenue / Castleknock
    Had really not been looking forward to Phoenix park after doing the 10 mile there in the rain in August (started out too way too fast and it took its toll after 3.5 miles) but today it was fine and I was cruising along. Pulled out my first gel but another came lose and fell behind me onto the road. No going back for it. Nevermind, I could just grab an extra on later on at the gel station. Exited the park and the crowd cheer and music was fantastic. Really buoyed me up as my knee was still sore and not easing at all. We turned left and heading down hill. Passed the Eiffel tower who was running on the right hand side of the road and attempting to dodge the trees above him. Not sure why he didn't just move to the centre of the road. He looked wrecked at that early stage, can't imagine what he was like at the end. Next I saw a few people pointing and spotted a guy running in his bare feet. Madness.

    Miles 9-12 Inchicore / Kilmainham
    Exited Phoenix park and headed into Chapelizod. Again the crowd were really loud really motivated me. Enjoyed mandatory Oggy Oggy Oggy chant under the two bridges along here. Ran past someone holding a "boards novices" sign just before Kilmainham (maybe it was before that). It only registered with me after I had passed so I turned and blurted out "boards!!" at him. Couldn’t remember where the gels stations were so I had my eye out for them all along this part of the route. Saw a man hand an isogel to his young daughter to hand out as I was approaching so I reached down, grabbed it and said "thank you" only to notice that both she and her father seemed to be surprised and then I realized that I'd probably stolen an isogel meant for someone else. I felt terrible and looked around to see if anyone was trying to claim it but I couldn’t tell. I decided to place it on a bus stop sign and pressed on, feeling really guilty.

    Miles 13-16 Halfway happiness
    As we turned to head through Dolphin's Barn and up to the half way mark I started feeling feet slapping on the ground much more so than in my LSRs. I think that the pain in my knee was messing up my running form and I was running more flat footed. I didn't have the usual spring in my stride. I saw my parents and some friends around 15 miles and was pretty chuffed that I was still breathing easily. I gave an enthusiastic shout out to everyone as I passed.
    Things started changing quite quickly.
    It was around 15.5 miles when things started to feel quite tough. The pain in my knee was in my mind all the time and I was having trouble getting it out of my mind. I remember thinking to myself - "only 8 miles to go, you can do this" and then realized it was 10 miles to go. My mental arithmetic was starting to fail me! I was now glancing at my Garmin more often. It started annoying me that it would beep for each mile yet the actual mile marker was now maybe 50-70m further ahead and a little further as each mile passed. I think there were some gels handed out along here so I grabbed two and handed one to someone who had missed out. Eased my conscience for the gel I stole earlier.

    Miles 17-20 The turn
    I tried to focus my mind on my wife and kids who were waiting in Milltown. Eventually we headed down into Milltown and I heard them roaring from the other side of the road and I smiled, waved and continued. I was still running about 8:18 per mile but the pain was really starting to take its toll. We started heading up the hill and this felt a little better as it was a little easier on my knee. I was very conscious that we were approaching the last uphill and I could see now that the pacers were starting to pull away from me. I was starting to run out of steam.

    Miles 20-24 The death spiral
    As we turned onto Clonskeagh road my mind was pleading with me to stop. There were quite a few people walking and the streets seemed to be much quieter (maybe that was my mind). I was so consumed with fighting my thoughts that I didn't even think to look out for the nop98 & co. As I was just passing over the dodder bridge I felt a tightening in my right hamstring and it seized up. Cramp. It came out of nowhere. I stopped and stretched my hamstring for a couple of seconds and started again. It started cramping again but I kept going, hopping, moving forward. Moving forward was all I cared about. I'd never had cramp on previous runs so I didn't know if this meant my goose was cooked. The pacer balloons were pulling further and further away. Still, I was moving forward I was going to finish this thing. I grabbed some more gels and took a few sips of water or Lucozade at each station we passed. Somehow I managed to continue up Roebuck road and seeing the hill actually lifted me. This was the highest point, all downhill from here (physically and not metaphorically I hoped). I knew a colleague from work was waiting at the top and I didn't want him to see me struggling so I mustered up something from somewhere and starting picking up the pace. I spotted him, ran over and high fived his hand as hard as I could. Going down the hill was so painful on my knee, I couldn't take any advantage of it. I saw the pacer balloons turn left onto the N11. My feet started doing this weird thing where they kept flicking outwards as I lifted them. Every muscle in my legs seemed to be calling it time. We turned down onto the N11, my watch beeped and then about 150m later I saw the 23 mile marker (grr). As we crossed the flyover at UCD I felt a bit of pace coming back and so I started pushing a little as we turned off and continued back down the N11. Then bam. Cramp in my left calf. I stopped and stretched for a couple of seconds and again tried to restart. No dice, stretched again and started hopping/hobbling. Somehow it eased off and I continued gingerly along towards Nutley lane.

    Miles 25-26.2 From the ashes
    With the 24 mile marker approaching I realised that there was a faint, faint possibility that I could still make 03:40. My legs had given it everything, I couldn't and shouldn't have asked them for anything more, but I was so bloody close. Just over two miles and a little over 17 minutes to do it in. The crowds were getter larger and louder, feeding my wretched ambition. I don't know where it came from but my feet started moving faster and faster. I felt like I was sailing along the road. I can hear my feet slap the road, slap, slap, slap but I'm cruising along passing other ships to the left and the right of me. We're a regatta returning from sea. There are no animated waves acknowledging the crowd welcoming us ashore, a weary wink of the eye will suffice. 25 miles done. Only 1… no 1.2 to go. Damn it, I hadn't accounted for the .2 in my remaining time calculations. Time to transform into a plane and go supersonic. The finishing line is slowly coming into view. I feed a little more crowd cheer fuel into the tank and engage the afterburner. I'm running at 7:10 per mile! Where is this coming from?
    The roar of the crowd on Mount Street is incredible.
    Incredible.
    Eyes fixed on the finish line. Don't think, just keep going. I engage the flaps, raise the nose slightly, wait, and… touchdown.
    03:38:52.
    Immediately my undercarriage become legs again and remind me what I've just put them through. I can barely walk. Actually I can't walk. All the muscles in my legs and immediately cramp up. My toes are trying to push upwards out of my shoes. I've never been as exhausted.

    I've just finished a marathon.

    Post-Race
    After about 15 minutes resting on the pavement I pick myself up and head down to collect my bag and see my family. I'm not sure if I can walk that far. Slowly my muscles start relaxing but my knee is not so forgiving. We go for a pint but I'm really too overcome and exhausted to really enjoy it. Just need to stretch out on a nice comfortable chair for a while. We decide to go home and meet up with the rest of my family. It's just about 2:30pm and we need cross Northumerbland street to get to the car. As we approach I see the 5 hour pacers passing. I cannot help but run (awkwardly limp) over to the barriers and shout encouragement at the folks approaching the finish line. I seem a bit deranged to most of the other well-wishers. Most of the runners are in their own world, completely focussed, one step after the next. Almost there, almost there. They've been toughing this b*tch out for 5 hours and they're just about to beat it. All legends. I'm awestruck.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Fbjm wrote: »
    He passed me in the last mile the fecker, so I'm gonna guess 5:18 or so since I was 5:19:16 :pac:

    Thanks for that , I had a good chat with him, He told me he didn't think he would get under 5 hours because he had not done many long runs with the backpack.

    Great report btw , loved the determination to keep running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭aceygray


    Ok, here goes my report:

    I carb loaded on Saturday, had dinner early, and got to bed early. I actually slept pretty well, and woke up at 6am, half an hour before my alarm. I made a bowl of porridge for breakfast, but couldn't finish it. Dressed, put in my contacts, grabbed my bag and hit the road. OH gave me a lift in. I sipped some lucozade on the journey. Traffic was fine, and he was able to drop me right at Merrion Square by about 7.45.

    I went into a hotel to use the toilets, then went up and dropped my bag. Had a lot of time to kill, so I did a bit of recon and figured out exactly where McGrattans was - important for later. Used the portoloos, mooched around a bit, used the portoloos again, then headed to the pens.

    I had a fairly conservative target of 4.20, but to be honest I didn't know what I'd be able for having missed so much training (and especially having missed the half marathon). I had planned on following the pacers, but ended up in the second wave. I decided I'd just run my own race and hope for the best. I took a gel about 10 minutes before the start, and hung around the back of the wave.

    There was some empty portoloos right near the start, so I figured I'd go again just to be on the safe side! Ended up missing the gun. It was fine though, because I had clear roads and no need for weaving at the start.

    Miles 1-3
    I ran the first mile very conservatively - 10.40 by my watch (just a watch, not a garmin). Soon after I accidentally stopped it, and couldn't get it started again, so I had no idea of my pace for the rest of the race, except when I passed the timing mats. Anyway, I tried to keep the pace down, but I'm pretty sure I failed :rolleyes: There was great support here, and I got caught up in it.

    It was quite warm, so I discarded my long sleeved layer in Stoneybatter. I carried a small bottle of lucozade with me, so I skipped the water station. Overall a good start, I felt good and was enjoying myself.

    Miles 4-6
    Into the park, and probably the most boring part of the run. Just a big long drag up Chesterfield avenue, and relatively few supporters. Not much to report. I still had lucozade, so skipped the water station again. Took a gel at mile 5.

    Miles 7-10
    Out of the park and into Castleknock. The crowds here were amazing, I actually got goosebumps. I passed the 10km mark in 58.xx, so I definitely started too fast. But I was feeling very relaxed and comfortable. I high-fived lots of kids, and waved to anyone who cheered my name. Back in the park I met a friend of a friend. Had a quick chat before I ran on. I took another gel at the ten mile marker.

    Miles 11-13
    I passed the Eiffel tower around Chapelizod. I was a bit sick of the lucozade at this point, so I took some water at the station here. I thought I might still be running to fast, so tried to focus on moderating my pace. Under the tunnel at Sarsfield road, and the hill up ahead looked daunting. Got up it fine though. The rest of this section is a bit of a blur - I remember the cheering crowds at Kilmainham, and a nice bit of downhill. I remember some parts where we only had one lane of the road, the rest was open to traffic, so it became a bit congested. Was that around here? I'm not sure.

    Mile 14-16
    I crossed the halfway point in 2.02.28. Still felt good. It also lifted me a bit to know I was on the way home, so to speak, and that the miles were passing quickly. Again, the crowds here were fantastic. Saw smashiner's sign out of the corner of my eye as I passed, so didn't have time to wave, but it gave me a little boost.

    It was around here that I started to feel a bit yucky. Not exactly cramping or nauseated, but slight pain in my lower abdomen. I had planned on taking another gel at 15 miles, but held off til 16 because I just couldn't stomach it. I chewed a couple of dextrose sweets in the meantime.

    Mile 17-19
    More of the same - the crowds kept me going. I felt good overall but a bit of stomach discomfort. I kind of felt too full. I took some water at the stations, and also poured some over me as it was fairly hot at this stage. A nice flat section, no major challenges. Passed through the 30k mark in 2.55.16

    Mile 20-23
    I took my last isogel just after the 20 mile mark, more because I knew I'd need it than I actually wanted it. I also took a few more dextrose sweets. Saw Nop98 and firedance and gave them a big wave.

    It was shortly after this that I first started to really hurt.The soles of my feet were burning, but it was my quads that caused the main problem. Very painful, heavy and tight. I knew it was going to happen at some stage, I'm just glad it happened this late in the race. I felt ready for it.

    I saw lots of people stopping to stretch, and I considered it myself, but decided to try to maintain my pace and carry on. I poured some water on my legs to cool them down, it helped a bit. Then I just focused on running one mile at a time. I'd tell myself "ten minutes to the next marker, you can run for ten more minutes, can't you?", then repeat at each marker.

    I also started to notice a lot of walkers. I had to fight the little voice in my head saying "you can stop and walk too. Stop for just a minute". I knew that if I stopped I might not be able to start again.

    Mile 24 - finish
    Mile 24 and 25 were incredibly tough. My legs kept screaming at me to stop, and I kept trying to ignore them. Where I had been smiling for most of the first 20 miles, I now started to grimace more & more. Having my name on my singlet really helped. Also, knowing my family would be waiting in the final mile.

    A guy had a fall just as we turned into Nutley Lane - it was a bit scary, for a minute I thought he had collapsed, but he laughed it off and got up again. Also around mile 25 I saw someone on the ground with and oxygen mask, hope they were ok.

    Once I was inside the final mile I knew I was going to finish it running. I was also pretty sure I was under 4.10. So even though I was in serious pain, I was able to put that to the back of my mind, and even pick up the pace a bit. My family were supposed to be at the schoolhouse hotel, but they were on the wrong side of the road, so I nearly missed them. Managed to spot my sister & my dad. Waved and blew kisses in their direction without breaking pace.

    Inside 800m the crowd was incredible. Even though I thought I had nothing left I managed a (fairly weak) sprint for the line. That's probably what I feel most proud of from the entire day - that I actually managed to speed up a bit as I crossed that finish line :D

    Post race
    The first hour after I finished was actually the toughest part of my whole day. As soon as I stopped running I started to feel like absolute sh*t. Dizzy, lightheaded, nauseated, weak and wracked with shivers. My legs started to stiffen so I could barely shuffle along. It's funny how your body can be strong for exactly as long as you need it to be, and then just five seconds later it completely gives up.

    Picked up my t-shirt and goody bag, had to use the barriers to support myself as I moved along. I knew I needed to eat something. Tried a few nibbles of a chocolate bar, but it made me want to puke so I threw it away. I picked up my bag, then sat on a step with my head between my knees for a while. Then I had to ask two strangers to help me up, because my legs weren't able for it!

    Rang my OH and shuffled slowly around to our meeting point. He was pretty worried about me, said I didn't look well at all. I had to take a few more sitting down breaks on the way to McGrattans. I went to the bathrooms to get changed, and my reflection in the mirror scared me a bit! I was deathly pale, and my lips were dark blue. I sometimes get a tinge of blue in my lips after long runs, but never this bad before.

    We found seats in the smoking area, and I had two cups of tea with lots of sugar. I began to come around very, very slowly. I had a coke and a banana, then attempted some half hearted stretches, but it was too painful. Went for a wander around the bar to see if I could see any familiar faces, but no luck. Felt well enough for a pint of Guinness :)

    Finally found the boardsies a bit later - sorry I had already missed some of you. Had a bit of a race postmortem with Nop98, TFGR (and some of her awesome flapjacks :)), Wubble and TBO, then briefly met pomplamousse before we left. Would have really loved to meet more of you, but maybe another time.

    Spent the rest of the evening going through cycles of "actually I feel surprisingly good" and "dear god kill me now". I was wrecked tired, but found it hard to sleep as I could not get comfortable because my legs were so sore.

    This morning I'm sore and stiff, but not as bad as I was expecting. Stairs are a challenge. We had to go shopping, and I don't think I slowed him down too much. I had an ice bath in the afternoon. I think it helped, but I can't say I recommend it. :o

    Anyway, to answer Nop's questions -

    What went well with your training plan? I was able to stick to it fairly closely. I followed the advice to slow down, and really enjoyed my long runs. I am now fully converted to running without headphones.

    What would you do differently with your training? Honestly, nothing. The plan suited me very well, and until I got injured I hadn't missed a single training run. I think the injuries I got were just bad luck. I suppose I might consider a program with 4 rather than 5 runs per week, just for time reasons. The marathon training kind of took over my life this summer, and other things got put on the back burner.

    What went well about the race? I really tried to pay attention to the crowds throughout, which was a great distraction from any pain. It made the miles fly by. It actually didn't feel like I was running for more than four hours.

    My hydration and fueling strategy worked well, I didn't hit the wall at any point. My time goal was achievable, and I was still able to enjoy the atmosphere from the crowds.

    What would you do differently if you could start the race again? I would definitely pace myself better - my first half was about 2 minutes faster than my second half. If I was to run it again, and I hope to, I would definitely use the pacers. I also think I should have been wearing shoes one size bigger. A couple of toenails on my right foot might not last the week!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    kin9pin wrote: »
    Passed the Eiffel Tower guy on Acres just as he clipped the tree. The "Oooohhhhh" from the pack was funny until I saw how heavy that thing was.

    ...

    I caught up with Olwyn just after we crossed the Liffey. I knew we had the hill coming up and loved the way she was shouting for people to save their energy. I think it was at this point she ran under a branch and her balloon popped.

    We must have been practically running shoulder to shoulder for this period, shame I don't know you to see!
    kin9pin wrote: »
    Same here, someone has replaced my quads with slabs of concrete.

    It's the calves for me, must be a result of all the cramping but they're in shreds. I walk like I need crutches. :D


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Background

    I'm running since 2012, did DCM in 2013 in 4:47, had targeted 4:30 but wheels came off at 19/20 miles and struggled badly from there. That and how I felt immediately afterwards (absolutely dreadful) put me right off ever wanting to attempt it again. My HM and shorter race times improved over the following years and after supporting at DCM 2015 last year, I got the bug again and decided to give DCM 2016 a whirl.

    My wife Paula also runs and we decided to run DCM this year together. She got a training plan from a very experienced marathon runner in our club, so we both followed the plan closely. It was her third marathon, her last being DCM 2014 with a time of 4:18, almost half an hour better than my marathon time. A few days before, we'd had the inevitable "we need to talk about this" marathon chat, as I'm sure all couples running a marathon together have, so that we had a concrete plan in place if one of us started to struggle. We were both aiming for sub 4, but we also both wanted to finish together as close to 4 as possible - so we decided to stick together even if one of us had to drop the pace a little. But we both agreed that if either of us was struggling to the point of needing to walk, the other was to plough on as we wanted each other to run their best race.

    Pre-Race

    We both slept well on the Friday and Saturday nights, and ate and drank as we had planned - plenty of plain carbs and water etc.. We'd both had niggles during training, and thankfully with the tapering these niggles had subsided for the most part. My hip was the only thing worrying me, I knew it would flare up at some point, was a matter of "when" rather than "if". Aside from that we were both fresh and race ready on Sunday morning.

    Multiple alarms woke us, and we had our usual breakfast and got ready before heading off to catch our 7am bus to Dublin. There were so many running from our club (Trim) that we'd arranged a coach to bring us as close to the start line as possible. Our driver Sean, a club member himself, got us to the Mont Clare Hotel, and we got ourselves sorted with toilet visits etc..

    We headed up to the bag drop and at this stage I just wanted to get going. Myself and Paula got some warm ups done and headed to our start wave. I had underestimated the sheer volume of people around the 4 hour pacers - it was packed up ahead of us and I didn't want to be too close to them from the outset given the number of people there.

    Race

    0 to 10k, 57:58

    So off we went. The plan was to keep our eye on the 4 hour pacers, not to let them get too far out of sight. Myself and Paula were running with another two runners from our club, all just running nicely along keeping each other's pace on track. The pace was good along the first few miles, we certainly didn't go out too fast, probably a touch slow to be honest but I was very conscious of not wanting to waste energy or risk injury by weaving around runners at this early stage. We got into the Park and settled into a really consistent pace, the 4 hour pacers still in sight up ahead, but just that little bit further away than I would have liked. Paula remarked that this part - the long, slight drag up Chesterfield Avenue - was a little boring, but I have to say I liked it here as the space started to open up and it was very comfortable on such a beautiful morning with no wind to fight against. There would be plenty of raucousness along the rest of the course I thought, so it was nice to enjoy the serenity of the Park in its autumnal splendour. All good so far.

    10k to half way, 2:01:08

    We exited the Park and made our way towards Castleknock village, crossing the 10km marker on the way at just under 58 mins. No concerns for either of us at this point, the niggles weren't playing up and we were both comfortable. I had a feeling we were a little too far behind the 4 hour pacers, but I was more intent on enjoying the day and in particular the incredible support that was building around Castleknock. We saw a few old neighbours and friends around here, who along with the crowd in general gave us great support - it was truly overwhelming how great the crowd were here as we turned past Myo's pub. "This is what marathons are all about" I told myself. "This amazing feeling is why you train for months on end, running mile after mile after mile until your body hurts".

    We had a nice bit of downhill after Castleknock before we re-entered the Park, everyone seemed to run past us as this point but I kept repeating "use it to recover, use it to recover" to Paula to not get carried away, and we stuck to our pace and let the downhill take us along instead. Back into the Park where we passed the Eiffel Tower guy and we were just cruising along here. Everything was going to plan in so far as we were both comfortable, but the 4 hour pacers were too far ahead to be seen at this point. I started to doubt we'd make the sub 4, but we were comfortable and enjoying it, and I knew we'd not be too far off 4 hours, so we didn't get hung up over it. We had a solid B plan anyway!

    On through Chapelizod and into Rialto and all was still going well. The support was building again after the relative quietness of the Park. There are a couple of hills around this section which seem to gently remind you that you have about 20k in your legs at this point but nothing to cause concern. We hit the Crumlin Road and make the half way point in 2:01 - "we're doing good" I think to myself.

    Half way to 30k, 2:52:03

    "We're on the way back now" I said to Paula as we crossed under the half way gantry. This is the part of the course I find quite boring to be honest - it is a long, unremarkable stretch of Dublin suburb, and it's the part where the body is starting to get physically tired, so it's a case of head down and get through these few miles.

    And this is where the struggle begins. About 23k in, Paula says the words I don't want to hear: "You go on". "We're sticking together" I say, and on we run, the pace starting to drop off slightly. In my mind, sub 4 is gone already - it was gone a while back, and I'm not bothered that much about it truth be told, I'd rather finish with Paula. A little while later, she tells me that she needs to walk a little. My heart sinks. "Go on, I'll be fine, I need to walk".

    The marathon is enough of a mental challenge when all goes to plan. When it doesn't, it's like getting kicked in the head. Leaving Paula at this point was really hard, part of me wanted to stay and support her, part of me wanted to leave her be. Part of me was thinking I need to run as well as I can, I might never do this again. It was a total roller coaster of emotions, but we had discussed this very possibility only days earlier and we had to stick to the plan. Off I went holding back the tears - this wasn't in the plan, and it was ****. Five minutes on, I almost decide to stop and wait for her to catch up, then my head reminds me that she'd kick my ass if I had done that. On I run towards the 30k mark, picking the pace back up a little and catching up with some of my club mates that had passed us earlier. My sister is in the crowds with her daughters at Terenure - her husband is running also - and they give me a shout out. It's great to see family along the route.

    30k to finish, 4:05:51

    This is where the marathon starts. Passing 20 miles, I'm running with a couple of my club mates. They might not realise it, but they pulled me along through here. Well, we pulled each other through here I guess. I get a prepared drink from a club mate along the route - it really helps. Is it the Zero tablet in the water, or just the push you get from a club mate helping you out? I don't know really, but I don't care - it helped. I love and hate this section. I love the support, but this incline seems to go on and on forever. Where the f**k is Heartbreak Hill anyway? More club mates shout support from the side of the road which really helps now. All I want to see is the downhill on Fosters Avenue. I'm tired now, my body is saying "stop" but I'm not stopping. No way, not here, not now. Heartbreak Hill comes and goes, and the relief of running downhill is a most welcome feeling.

    On to the Stillorgan dual carriage way and I feel the pace slowing. Here we go, I remember the feeling from 2013. I'm doing ok though, 4 hours is gone but I know I'm well on target for my B plan of sub 4:10. The miles seem to be much longer as you approach the final stretch. I pass a fellow Trim club member walking and clap him on the back to try and encourage him on. I pass another Trim runner on Nutley Lane who is walking, and encourage her on. She tells me I'm doing great. Isn't it amazing how people who are clearly struggling still think of helping others? I round the corner to more Trim support, our club chairman with his camera. I put on a brave face for the lens, it's a trick that runners learn over the years. The camera never lies? I'm not so sure about that! Shortly after, I'm walking for the first time on Merrion Road. I'm so nearly there, but my body is just not interested. I decide the only thing I can do is walk for 20 or 30 seconds, and run again. I've been here before in 2013, and I got through it. I can do this again. The lady I passed catches me up, she's back running. Now she is encouraging me on, and I run with her for a bit past the RDS, but she's gone. She is looking strong and I'm not going to keep up. On I go up Northumberland Road and I see some familiar faces in the crowd willing me on, more club mates. I'm spent, but like every time you see a familiar face, in particular other runners who know how you feel at that very point, it gives you an injection of pace and I push on.

    I'm on Mount Street, I can see the finish. I'm not concerned about that now though, I'm looking for my kids in the crowds. They are here with their Nanna. Jesus, the crowds are massive, I didn't expect it to be this packed. How will I see them? I know what side they will be on, so I'm looking to my right, all the way up. Running running running, it seems like forever. "Daddy, Daddy". I see and hear them at the same time. I run over, tears in my eyes, and kiss them both. Now I can finish.

    I grit my teeth and run as fast as I can. I'm sure I look a sight but I don't care. The finish is just ahead, I see the green carpet and it's like an oasis to a tired old runner like me. Arms up, here we go, enjoy the moment, smile for the camera. Stop the watch, I've done it. The clock says 4:08 but I started well back in my wave, so my watch is telling me the real time. 4:05. I'm elated! It's been a long 3 years, but 42 minutes off my previous DCM time from 2013.

    Post Race

    I shuffle through the medal collection point and on to get my goodie bag. I'm exhausted and feeling awful, just like 3 years ago. Exact same feeling, like I'm going to pass out. I try to settle my breathing - I know I just need to get food into me asap. The walk around to the bag drop takes forever and I'm stuck in a mass of sweaty bodies and feeling claustrophobic. I'm not able to talk, and I'm stumbling around a bit. My thoughts are of Paula now, I'm hoping she's coming in, that she's seeing the kids and finishing on a high.

    I get my bag eventually and get my phone out. I ring Nanna and let her know I've got sorted and ask has Paula come in, she has. I'm relieved, I just want to see her now. We meet up eventually and she's fine, tired but fine. She came in at 4:12, six minutes off her previous best. It's emotional, I'm delighted for us both, but just happy to see her. I think of how lucky I am to have her.

    We meet up with other club mates and share our war tales. On the t-shirts and medals go, and off we stumble home.

    We've done it, we've conquered DCM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭tony1980


    DCM 2016 Report
    I can't sleep so no time like the present to write my report and I have had a bit of time to think about yesterday by now, the good and bad points for me, lessons learned, etc, etc.

    Pre Race
    I drove up from Portlaoise Sat morning and got to the RDS just after 10am. Traffic was fine, went in and collected my race number and had a little look around before heading back to my brother in laws apartment which I had the use of for the night. I spent the rest of the day relaxing, watching a bit of sport and watching inspirational sports videos on youtube to motivate me and for something to think about when the going got tough the following day. I went to bed at about 10 and got to sleep pretty quickly, I woke a few times during the night and got back to sleep very easily thankfully so had a good nights rest.
    I finally woke at 5.45, just before the alarm, allowed myself a few minutes to think about my day ahead and made a promise to myself to enjoy the day, not get stressed about the little things but to also leave everything I had out there.
    I had my usual breakfast of porridge with peanut butter and a small bagle with some peanut butter on that too and a cup of tea. I had been hydrating very well the past two weeks so my intake of water on the morning was just some sips here and there before it all began.

    Taxi picked me up and dropped me to Flyefit gym next door to McGrattans which I had booked for a day pass, thinking it was a great plan to use as a bag drop (using the lockers) and for a shower afterwards. Turns out the locker room is closed on Sunday and it really isn't a full day you can use it for, once you go in and out, no going back in again. (Fitza knows the story behind this) Minor annoyance but had made a promise to myself to not let the little things stress me today, I had much more important matters to be handling today!
    I was there pretty early so after this, I went for a stroll and then bumped in to Fitza which was nice to have some company for an hour to settle the nerves. We had a little chat about the Tullamore Half and the fact we were going for a sub 4 even though after Tullamore we had been saying that probably wouldn't happen! I done the half in Tullamore in 1.52 so it didn't look good for a sub 4 Marathon. After the bag drop, I made my way towards the sub 4 group, had a quick pit stop in the toilets and then did some dynamic stretching before it all started.
    The pacers were just across from me, bumped into Fitza again here and had a little chat before we took off. The pacers were a nice little bit ahead of us when we got moving towards the starting line and there was too many runners in the sub 4 to get closer to them before we reached the starting line so I remembered the advice on here to keep them in sight and slowly reel them in.

    Miles 1 to 6 - 9.11, 8.53, 9.06, 9.01, 8.55, 9.01

    I was finally here, at the starting line of a Marathon, something I could only dream of last October when I started my C25K adventure and then we were off, I was running a Marathon!

    The pacers were a few hundred yards ahead of me so I was happy with that distance, it was too crowded to be wasting energy trying to catch up with them to sit in along side them so I stayed where I was and kept my line so not to be wasting precious energy.
    The first couple of miles just flew by, it kind of felt like a warm up. I spotted Fitza again up ahead of me and the pacers were a little bit ahead of her again so I kept Fitza in sight as I knew her pace was very similar to mine and I kind of used Fitza as my pacer for a good 8 -10 miles I think (Thanks Fitza :) )

    I had some ITBS issues which had me out for the best part of 3 weeks during training which were still causing some issues leading into the last week. I had seen a Physio on Wednesday before the marathon who done a terrific job but couldn't promise no pain on the day but said I should get through it on the day but obviously couldn't guarantee anything.

    Somewhere in mile 2, my knee started up, I couldn't believe it, 2 bloody miles in! I was frustrated, we had practically just started and I was having issues. Other than the knee, I felt completely fine. I thought to myself, it usually loosens out a little after another few miles when it does flare up and then comes back in waves, just keep plodding along and forget about it, its going to be a tough day but I already knew that before I started, pain is your friend I kept saying to myself over and over!

    Somewhere after NCR and entering the park, I think I had stopped noticing the knee and was checking my breathing and running form. I tend to have my hands and shoulders slightly too high when running which causes very bad stiffness in the shoulders and neck so every now and then, I would just loosen myself up to try and prevent this as I keep slipping back into this no matter how I try (something I need to correct in the near future!)

    The next few miles flew by, pacers were in sight as was Fitza and I felt completely comfortable. Pace was bang on and breathing was perfect. I noticed people passing me in the park and passing Fitza who were breathing very heavily, I couldn't believe people were running way beyond their capacity at this stage. Before joining this thread, my inexperience would have led me to chasing after people passing me which would have led to be blowing up too but thanks to the advice on here, I have learned so much and just had to put it into practice on the day.

    Mile 7 to 13 - 9.02, 8.56, 8.46, 8.54, 8.40, 8.47, 8.51

    I hit the 10k mark in 56.59 and then up to Castleknock. There was a great atmosphere here, really enjoyed this, put a big smile on my face. I actually enjoyed the downhill section in the park before hitting Chapelizod. It was quite here and you could hear everyone's feet hitting the ground as we plodded along but the sun was out, it looked so peaceful and it just put a big smile on my face, I was really enjoying myself now, didn't feel any pain and the pace felt perfect. I took my first gel on the hour mark and my strategy was one every hour, I also had Jelly Babies for other times if I needed a kick.

    I remember watching the fly through of the marathon course on Youtube and thinking, forget about Heartbreak Hill, Laurence's hill looked like a tasty one and it was steep, nothing too drastic but I think mentally, hills are worse on people so I just followed my plan for the hills, slowed slightly, shortened the stride and pumped the legs and felt completely fine after it, I did see some struggling, they probably had gone out too fast and were paying the price now! The next bit is a bit of a blur, I know I still felt fine at this stage and then I remember hitting Dolphin's Bar which had great support out, heard my name shouted a few times here which was really encouraging.
    Things were still good and I hit the half way mark at 1.59.08 which was a little too fast if I wanted a negative split but not too bad and I had the pacers right in front of me so I was just sticking with them, I had actually caught up with them by 10.5 miles in and was by then, right along side them.

    Mile 14 to 19 - 9.21, 9.12, 8.54, 9.03, 8.56, 8.50

    I am not from Dublin so don't know a lot of parts very well so I can't really describe much in terms of location for the next 5 or 6 miles. From looking at my splits, miles 14 and 15 suggest that I slowed a little here, particularly on mile 14 but nothing too drastic, my average pace was still well within range of a sub 4.
    I was still with the pacers, in fact, I had passed them but only by a few yards to get some space as it was pretty packed behind them and occasionally found myself behind someone who wasn't in the same rhythm as myself and it was difficult to pass them without disturbing someone else so I decided to use a little energy to push up ahead but only just and to give myself some space to keep my own rhythm going smoothly.

    I think it was during this section that my incident at a water station occurred. I thought they were a little manic to be honest, people were tripping over each other and you nearly had to come to a stop to grab a bottle which was fecking up my rhythm and I found myself wasting precious energy here. I was nearly knocked over, it obviously wasn't intentional but I was still pretty annoyed but no damage done so I just carried on.

    The fun started at 16.5 miles in for me, the issue with my knee had returned with a vengeance. There was a real mental battle for a few miles with this, the pain was much worse than earlier, I started telling myself I loved pain again and thinking of some of the inspirational videos I had been watching the day before, my promise to myself that morning, and of my family, this wasn't going to beat me, I couldn't let it beat me!!
    I started remembering Nop's post about the marathon and splitting it up into 10m.10m.10k. This really helped, I told myself I had only 2.5 miles to go and then I was in the home stretch. The pain didn't go anywhere but I had won the mental battle and hadn't lost my pace. I was still with the pacers and my breathing was still perfect, it was my legs that were starting to let me down!

    My stats tell me I crossed the 30K mat at 2:49:54. I had the pain under control and I was sipping water every now and again and felt pretty good. I got chatting to another runner somewhere around here, he told me he was doing New York next week so we were chatting about that for a few mins and I realised I could have done with someone to chat with all along, at least in moments when you needed to take your mind off things that weren't going right. He slipped back behind me as he realised he was going a bit too fast at this stage so we said good luck to each other and carried on.

    Mile 20 to 22 - 8.58, 9.11, 9.26

    I was approaching Milltown now and started to feel a little bit of pain in my feet, specifically around my big toes. I knew this had to be blisters as I got some under my big toes during training but they weren't too bad in training, very manageable. It was only a little uncomfortable but an unwelcome distraction. I think I saw Nop and Firedance around the spot they mentioned but I was on the other side of the road so if it was them, they couldn't hear me shouting hello as I passed. It was around here that I felt a sudden twinge in my Quads which frightened the life out of me as I thought, that's it, this is going to go and then I am fu**ed, no sub 4 if this goes now! I slowed slightly in case, took on board some water and poured the rest over the area where I felt the twinge. I lost the pacers here, not by a lot but enough to make me doubt myself especially with the new pain that was promising to turn into a cramp!
    I came to the famous Heartbreak Hill which didn't look too bad but with my new condition and the developing blisters, it looked like a mountain. I put the head down and looked no further than 3 feet ahead, shortened the stride and pumped the legs and I was up it in no time. There was a lot of people walking here so this gave me a great mental boost! The breathing was still fine thankfully, the knee I could handle, the blisters were just an unwelcome distraction, it was the possible cramp in the Quads I was worried about. I slowed myself down to try and help with this and it started to feel good again so I upped the pace again but I could feel myself tiring!

    Mile 23 to 26.2 - 8.59, 8.48, 9.03, 8.56, 8.40

    The next 3.2 Miles was the toughest experience of my life to date. 5k to go I said to myself, keep the pace, I love pain, don't let this slip now, my average pace was still within sub 4 time, I was catching the pacers, slowly!

    I poured water all over myself to cool myself down, took on board some Jelly Babies and started working hard, not too fast, just enough to claw the time back over the 3 miles. I said to myself, you will have a sprint in you near the end to claw back even more precious seconds, just keep it steady and don't blow up now.

    The crowds in those last 3 miles were incredible and badly needed for that last bit of motivation to carry you across the line, inch by inch. Al Pacino's speech from Any Given Sunday started hitting my mind now, I needed something in my head to spur me on now, the mental battle was immense in the last couple of miles, my body wanted to give in so much, the pain was becoming unbearable in my knee, I just shut it out and kept pushing. People were really struggling around here, I was passing a lot out, some were now walking and others were receiving treatment or had cramps, I didn't notice anyone in too much distress as I noticed Crogerso mentioned this earlier and I think I came in about 14 seconds after Crogerso so I hope whoever they are, that they are ok now.

    It was about now that I noticed that my watch said I had done 26.4 Miles and I still couldn't see the finish line!! I thought to myself, where the f**k is this finish line already, I am going to collapse :pac: The sub 4 pacers were only just ahead of me when I saw the finish line, finally! They were stopped, encouraging people to get across the line to get in on time. I knew I had done it as I had crossed the starting line about 45-55 seconds after them so I had enough time left to creep in. I made an attempt at a mini sprint which didn't last long but made it across in 3.59.07, I had done it, I made my A goal of sub 4, just!!

    Post Race

    I actually felt pretty good when I finished, I had a look at the Asics videos earlier and saw my finish and I looked pretty fresh. Within seconds of that though, I started to seize up and could feel the pains everywhere, knee, blisters, quads, shoulders and neck :pac:

    My stomach felt pretty ok, definitely started feeling hungry pretty quickly so I had the bar from the goodie bag to help calm that and to give me some energy. I received my medal and t-shirt and started making my way towards the bag collection. I stopped half way to do some stretches and realised I couldn't lift either leg to do anything :pac:
    Myself and the runner alongside me who was also attempting to stretch had a good laugh at ourselves struggling to do this and chatted about our experience.
    I then slowly made my way to the bag drop and sat on the steps just across from there and took everything in for about 15 to 20 mins. I got chatting to a few others here and shared some of our stories of the day, there was great camaraderie amongst us and it really was a special moment in my day. It was starting to really sink in that I was now a Marathon Runner!

    I am so sorry that I missed out on McGrattans, I did get over there but didn't see any pool tables and didn't know anyone to see except Fitza who I didn't spot. My knee was in agony and I could barely walk so I decided to get some food and make my way back to the apartment for an epsom salts bath which was heaven.

    I will never forget my First Marathon, it truly was an unforgettable experience!

    For any future Novices looking on, 26.2 miles needs to be respected as it will chew you up and spit you out if you don't put in the proper training and even then, nothing is guaranteed on the day. I was lucky on the day in that I wasn't feeling unwell, I had a good taper, no colds or flu to zap my energy, if any of these things had hit me slightly on the day or the days leading up to it, it would have been a completely different day for me. I wouldn't have been able to contend with any of that on top of the issues I face during the run so I feel so lucky to have got through this in almost one piece and to manage to get my A goal. This isn't too put off any future Novices, in fact, I am already looking forward to my next one as this was one of the most rewarding things I have ever done so I would highly recommend this to anyone thinking about it, it's just going to be bloody hard work :) The main thing would be to adjust expectations accordingly if anything goes wrong, even leading up to it.

    There is one thing I would have loved to have done before all of this training for the Marathon started and that is a Strength and Conditioning program for my core and lower body. My advice to any future potential Novices who have potentially already started running would be to look into something like this now and possibly something like Pilates well before any Marathon training starts so your body is fully prepared for the tough task ahead. This is something I am going to be looking into very soon myself and hopefully it will make me much more stronger for the next one!

    I just realised I have been typing for way too long and that this post is too long so apologies for the long post and I would like to say thanks again to Nop and his backroom team who have been incredible throughout this amazing journey and to all the graduates on this thread, it has been one hell of a ride :)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    How's everyone today? I slept very well, hips feel a lot better, stairs in work will be tackled...

    I'm excited to go back to work. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Slept 100% better than Sunday night (think I was still buzzing from the day)! Legs feeling a lot better but not tackled the stairs yet!

    Off again today so will get my race report done at some point.

    How's everyone today? I slept very well, hips feel a lot better, stairs in work will be tackled...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    My garmin has chosen the best possible time to crap out, right before I went to upload my marathon data. It's all gone. So so annoyed :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    My garmin has chosen the best possible time to crap out, right before I went to upload my marathon data. It's all gone. So so annoyed :mad:

    Ah crap. Are you totally sure it's gone? What happened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    Ah crap. Are you totally sure it's gone? What happened?

    Yep I'm sure. Everything is wiped; all my history, records etc. I have no idea what happened. I was looking through my mile splits last night and it was all there.
    :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    An Epic End to and Epic Journey DCM 2016
    Finish Time 3:46:44


    Apologies in advance for the ramble, nothing I can put down here will do justice to one of the toughest and most rewarding days of my life!

    Morning

    Actually slept better than expected was wide awake @ 0545 (pretty normal for me so nothing new!) Had my normal porridge breakfast and sipped on some water. Triple checked my gear (OCD here as it was well checked on Saturday!!) tried to relax a bit and watch the end of the golf from China, this didn't work as the nerves were kicking in. To be honest the second week of taper was an emotional roller coaster for me, emotions ranged from doubt, what the hell am I doing to total excitement!! Kit on Vaseline applied and tit tape stuck where I never though I would apply tape (great laugh in the house when I was reminded of that

    Pre-Race

    mrsscotindublin kindly volunteered to drop me in so was dropped off at the back of Trinity College and made my way to meet a few lads at the Davenport Hotel, have to say I was bricking it at this point. Once I met up with the lads and got chatting the nerves settled. The buzz around the place and I really started to think "sh*t this is actually happening". The crowds going to the staring pens were massive and the atmosphere was brilliant. Got chatting to a few lads from work and headed to the start of wave 2 with the 3:40 pacers in view. Thankfully at this point there was an eerie calm and I felt ready to tackle this. My very ambitious plan (novice mistake #1) was to try and stick with the 3:40 pacers. On training runs I tend to get fixated by my watch so decided to let the pacers do that and only checked at the mile marks.

    And We Are Off

    Miles 1-5

    The gun was fired and we were off, was probably a good 50 meters or so behind the pacers, the first couple of miles were pretty congested and really became aware of the obstacles on the road (traffic islands/bollards thankfully no motorbikes like the elites!!) just went with the flow of the crowd and we were soon down on to the Quays and up Stoneybatter (a few great signs here "You are running a worse race than Donald Trump" and "This is long and hard.....when has that ever been a bad thing" raised a chuckle). Was right between the pacers heading up Stoneybatter and the NCR.....the first water station was carnage and spooked me a bit (didnt grab any water here (novice mistake #2). I was on a very familiar part of the course so was feeling good, into the park and then the drag up The Avenue no wind was a huge bonus, was a little surprised how quite the crowds were here.
    Mile splits 08:14; 07:58 (novice mistake #3);08:16; 08:08; 08:16

    Miles 5-10

    Nothing to report really coming up the last part of the Avenue, out onto the Castleknock Road and through 10k (51:03)......then boom all I can say is WOW.....how good was the crowd in Castleknock!!! One of the highlights of the day for me an incredible wall of noise and really was hairs on the back of neck stuff. Got through 7 miles and knew there was some respite coming up....passed Mr Eiffel Tower here not sure how he got around!! Took on some water at mile 7, down the hill and back into the park, everything was still feeling good at this point....still nicely around the pacers here....there was a great moment when one of the pacers veered off course for a pit stop coming down Lower Glen Road.....many shouts of "do we all need to stop here"...thanks for the laugh PaulieC!! Got a nice lift coming out of the park as I had family waiting in Chapelizod....spotted them as soon as I turned left over the bridge and my Dad got some great pictures of me going passed them, grabbed an protein bar from them here, didn't eat much of it though (novice mistake #4).
    Mile splits 8:07;8:23;8:05;8:30;8:02

    Miles 11-15

    Knew the climb out of Chapelizod so started what I will call "the death stare" into the back of a lad in front wearing a Bray singlet and focused on him until we reached the top.....great shouts of "oggie oggie oggie" coming through the two bridges towards Inchicore, this is where something strange happened, it felt like my brain was bouncing around in my skull at this point! It wasn't sore just a weird feeling! Attacked my fruit pastilles and grabbed water at 11 miles was still nicely in line with the pacers, I was keeping an eye on their running form and was amazed how "bouncy" they were if that makes sense! Turned right int Dolphins Barn then bang.....smacked in the face by another wall of noise, really brilliant here felt like a rider in the Tour De France. Through the 1/2 mark in 1:48:50 (novice mistake #5). 1/2 way and 5 things learned, I am going to take that as a positive learning experience!! Knew that 13-15 was going to be a drag and there was a few spots that were eerily quiet, this is where I first saw people have to walk/stretch out and start to struggle. I lost a bit of time at the water station at mile 13 as I was bang in the middle of the road and tried to get over for water without breaking anyone's stride Was glad to get onto the Walkinstown as again the crowds were great here . Took on my first gel somewhere around here not 100% sure where.
    Mile Splits 08:20;08:30;08:34;08:37;08:14

    Miles 16-21

    At this point I really started to focus on getting to the 20 mile mark, the pacers were about 30 meters ahead of me but I was happy with that as I felt I was keeping pace with them, really just concentrated on getting through the miles here, crowds were great and really fed off them, kept focusing on the pacers and made sure they weren't moving too far ahead. I think it was around mile 19 that I got a feeling what something was quite right both hamstring were twinging a bit and I was sure cramp was on the way. Tried to block it out and kept plodding along.

    Mile Splits 8:15;815;8:15;8:25;08:20;8:36

    Taxi for scotindublin 21-26.2

    Bang 21 miles and cramp sent in to the hamstrings tried to keep moving but had to walk looking at my Garmin I think I walked for about two minutes one of the lads from work was here so he ran across the road to see if I was ok, told him I was feeling fine just that cramp had set....walked past the water station here and got loads of encouragement to get moving so tried to get moving again.....not sure if I saw you nop as I shuffled but I honestly don't thing Heartbreak Hill registered on me, crested a hill then started down hill bang both legs into cramp calves and quads, physically couldn't get my right foot to straighten out I am sure that I looked ridiculous! This was a panic moment as I had never experienced this before!! Wasnt sure what to do tried to slam my foot into the ground as hard a possible!! Knew from here that it was going to be a real battle....3:40 wasn't even in my thoughts it was now survival mode!!

    It was starting to look like the living dead around me there seemed to be bodies everywhere and lots of funny running styles! Nice few words of encouragement and words of advice from a work colleague coming up the UCD slip road.....had two more small walk breaks of about 30 seconds....then gave myself a good talking to....I wasn't going to walk over the finish line! Really had to guts it out for the last couple of miles, saw a girl from work outside the RDS and was moving forward at this point, through 25 miles and knew I was almost there (I think this is the first time I checked my pace on my watch!) where the f*ck is the 26 miles marker, my watch was a good bit off by this point, and there it was like an oasis in the dessert come on you have got this run tall and get there (I am sure this is not how I looked!!) family were on the course about here....didn't see them as I was fixated on the finish line.....the crowds were going mental at this point really lifted me and there it was in the distance the end of an epic journey.....It was over I was a marathon runner!!!!!!!!! Stopped the Garmin at 3:44:50; official time 3:46:44

    Mile splits 10:08;9:34;10:10;10:00;9:28;8:39 (for the last .3 according to my watch)

    Post Run

    Picked up my medal/t-shirt and goodie bag made sure to thank everyone and as I got to the barriers that was it could barely move cramped up again!! Had arranged to meet my family outside the Davenport Hotel,walking down I was really holding back the tears got very emotional, got there and they weren't about so had a few minutes to myself before they arrived.....then the floodgates opened! Calmed down and headed to Mulligans to meet some lads from work had the nicest three pints ever!!

    Did I make mistakes? Yes Will I learn from them? Hopefully!!

    No longer a novice now a graduate!! Really proud of myself for sticking to the training and getting that done.

    What a great experience and the encouragement here has been incredible......also raised a nice amount of money for charity!

    To you all a massive congratulations!! And well done on getting through that post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭tony1980


    Yep I'm sure. Everything is wiped; all my history, records etc. I have no idea what happened. I was looking through my mile splits last night and it was all there.
    :(

    Try this on your pc. Below taken from another thread on a different forum, hopefully it helps.

    When you have the FR10 connected to the PC via the USB clip it will show as a drive on the PC. Go to the folder GARMIN/ACTIVITY and check if you can see any .FIT files. These are the files you are looking for. If you find them, try to copy them from the FR10 to you PC. You can then try to do an upload from the files on the PC instead of the FR10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    This is a bit long.. sorry!

    I cycled into town to substitute as my warm up – the route in is all downhill so I knew I could use it to get the legs going and it wouldn’t take a lot of energy.. Then I headed into work for a shower and to change into my race gear (they kindly opened the place to allow any employees access to services).

    Leaving there at 8:30 I thought I would have loads of time to get to the starting pen – I was wrong. The usual 12 minute walk was a lot longer than normal – people were everywhere and the layout of the roads led to a lot of slow zombie walking… I had my nervous pee – and then I pee’d again twice more! And headed towards the big-red pacer balloons but then I heard what sounded like a notice to start running and the hoard started moving. ‘Ah they are just moving forward surely’ I thought. Nope. They were running! I had to abandon any pre-race starting habits and get myself moving. I was about 100m behind the 4hr group.

    So we turned onto Patrick street and I was happy with where I was – I could see the pacers and the crowd was busy but I accepted it and kept shuffling all the way up the hill and towards the park. As we jogged into the park I was looking for a bit of clear-way in front of me and kept jolting right and left looking for space, every time I found a bit someone else bunched in beside or in front of me – eventually I found some, a nice bit of space all to myself, no one pushing or rubbing elbows with me, bliss. It was a bit quiet, I couldn’t hear Olwyn or Joe shouting anymore… Then I looked back and they were behind me in the distance – sh!t. I was running at 5:30/km. ‘What was I doing’. ‘Why am I doing it.’ ‘Don’t fall into this trap.’ I thought all the right things but for all my will and might I couldn’t slow down, everytime I tried to I looked down seconds later and my watch was back at 5:25. I hit the 10k marker over 1 minute quicker than where I should have been.

    I passed my other-half for the 2nd time in Inchicore and I told her in a flying statement that I was running too fast, expecting some sort of mircal from her but she shouted what anyone else in the world would have and what I was already shouting at myself “slow the fug down!” – why can’t I slow down. ‘This is so irrational – just slow down’ but I couldn’t.

    At the halfway point I started to feel sore, I was tense and annoyed but I was coming to familiar territory – I was looking forward to seeing my family on cromwellsfort.
    Passing my family home was tough, I was thinking of how easy it would be to duck in and hide for a few days then a mile up the road I passed my own house – the exact same feeling… would anyone know…? I’d know.

    18 miles in I wasn’t feeling great I knew I’d have to stop soon, my calves were about to cramp and there was nothing I could do about it, the Lucozade wasn’t helping nor the gels or the water – ‘let me get to mile 20 please’ I thought.. bang goes the calf, about 18 and a half miles in. I had to stop – checking my watch I stopped and stretched it for as long as it needed which was unfortunately a hole minute – but I had 3 minutes banked, I was fine.. off I ran again and more gels and more Lucozade.. bang – other calf went.. same deal, slow down, stop, stretch, run. Bang, hamstring. Then I heard familiar shouting, it was Joe, the 4hr pacer – he wizzed by.. Off I set running again, I can’t let them get too far ahead.. The pain subsided temporarily, I think it was the buzz from seeing the 4hr lads that got me going for a while until the hills reappeared and I was back to stretching. I seen my running trainer from work on heartbreak hill and she gave me some kind words and that fired me up for a while then a good friend giving me an orange at mile 21 kept me running for a bit too. He told me that the 4hr lads were about 1 minute up the road.. a quick calculation made that a 4:05 finish if I didn’t have any more cramps – not possible. ‘What’s the plan now’ I thought… ‘just get over the line’ …. ‘it’s the same medal either way’..

    I kept on marching, just after the 22mile marker I had to stop again, stretching out on a traffic cone while you are really tired wasn’t the brightest idea but the stupidity of it made me laugh a little. Then I broke the rest of the race down into small goals ‘get to the lamppost’…‘get to the bus stop’.. all of a sudden I was at the RDS then another blink and I seen my other-half standing with a big green inflatable hand waving me on ‘nearly there’ she shouted – I forewarned her of the dangers of shouting that to someone if they are not in-fact ‘nearly there’ I must be close I was thinking – then the nicest sign I have ever seen in my life 800m.. People started to bolt ‘too soon’ I thought.. then the 400m sign came and I was free, the crowd cheering felt like I had just scored a winner in a champions league match, the best feeling in the world – What felt like a sprint brought me over the line and I was done. Never again was my first thought. That was harder than I thought was my second and why do I have a lump in my throat was the third.

    I didn’t see the clock when I passed the line nor did I look at my watch.. I was happy I finished but at the same time I was sore and the pain was very fresh. I found my other half and friends and my first words were “that was harder than I expected” – I didn’t mean that to be funny, I was serious, that was really fuggin hard. I asked the tough question, 'what was my time' .... 4:03.. midway between plan A and plan B. I’ll take it.

    A shower and celebratory pints and they lived happily ever after.

    What went well with your training plan?
    (Myasics plan) I liked the fact it was non-intrusive, I only ran 3 days per week and it didn’t impact my daily life too much. I supplemented the 3 days per week of running with gym work and cycling.

    What would you do differently with your training?
    The plan only had me do one 32km run, I would have liked a second one for confidence.

    What went well about the race?
    This may sound a bit narcissistic but I didn’t think I had that much power or stamina, I should have been defeated at mile 22 but I pushed on and didn’t need to stop again, kicking pain in the balls.

    What would you do differently if you could start the race again?
    1. Get to the start line earlier, I was rushed
    2. Set a target window, not a target time – a marathon is not an occasion for specifics in my opinion, there are too many variables.
    3. Keep with the pacers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    tony1980 wrote: »
    Try this on your pc. Below taken from another thread on a different forum, hopefully it helps.

    When you have the FR10 connected to the PC via the USB clip it will show as a drive on the PC. Go to the folder GARMIN/ACTIVITY and check if you can see any .FIT files. These are the files you are looking for. If you find them, try to copy them from the FR10 to you PC. You can then try to do an upload from the files on the PC instead of the FR10.

    Just tried that but it's telling me that all of the .FIT files that are there aren't activities. Thanks anyway for your help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭tony1980


    Just tried that but it's telling me that all of the .FIT files that are there aren't activities. Thanks anyway for your help.

    Sorry to hear that Pomplamousse, maybe do a quick google or check on youtube about it, you never know, you might find something that could help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    tony1980 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that Pomplamousse, maybe do a quick google or check on youtube about it, you never know, you might find something that could help.

    I'll search around. Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭aceygray


    This guy Gary O'Hanlon had a fall and wrecked his ankle at 4 miles:
    https://www.facebook.com/garyohanlon12/posts/1314922505198598

    He still finished, and in 12th place overall :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    tony1980 wrote: »
    DCM 2016 Report

    The first couple of miles just flew by, it kind of felt like a warm up. I spotted Fitza again up ahead of me and the pacers were a little bit ahead of her again so I kept Fitza in sight as I knew her pace was very similar to mine and I kind of used Fitza as my pacer for a good 8 -10 miles I think (Thanks Fitza :) )

    :)

    Hi tony1980, I couldn't be more delighted for you to get your sub 4, absolutely brilliant. I only realised after I saw the time splits that you were close to me for the first 10k, I'm sorry I'm not one who is able to chat and run but you looked really strong when you passed me and I was still feeling good then. Huge respect for that last 10k...it really is a 20 mile warm up for a 10k race. Congratulations Tony :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Race Report - the abridged version

    There is a more detailed report on my log but I am unsure how to link it, here is a shortened version anyway.

    Training
    Could have been better, in hindsight, missed too many runs and was more stop/start than consistent.

    Pre-Race
    Plenty of sleep, was well hydrated and fueled, usual routine on Sunday morning. Aside from the cold that threatened to descend on Wednesday, was perfect.

    The Race

    Started a wee bit behind the 4:30 pacers, didn't find it as congested as I thought it was going to be. First 10k was comfortable, running steady, in hindsight too fast (rookie mistake). Crowds in Castleknock were amazing but got caught up in the atmosphere and knew I was going too fast.

    Second 10k, continued too fast, what the frack was I thinking?!? Hill at Ballyfermot wasn't too bad although I think this might have been my least favourite part of the course under the tunnel.

    Starting to slow a smidge, hit halfway fairly on target but shortly afterwards SPLAT. I didn't so much hit the wall as run full tilt into it like a bug against the windscreen on the motorway. After this pace dropped dramatically, had to resort to walking a fair few times, was an emotional wreck but somehow managed to keep moving forward. Legs never cramped but had pre-cramp sensations all down back of my legs from ass to ankle, glutes were screaming at me and my right knee was not a happy camper at all. But kept moving and eventually got to the finish 5:08 hours after I started. Never been so relieved to see a finish line.

    Post Race
    Once I stopped I felt okayish, got medal, bag etc, found BF who had really kept me going in the tough sections, popping up all over the course on his bike. Got very very emotional here, eight years ago I had hurt my back so bad I couldn't even contemplate running for a bus and I just finished a marathon!! So had a little cry, hug from BF. Went to McGrattans, managed half a bottle of beer, had some chats, lovely to meet some of you, went home and had epic pizza dinner after a few hours.

    Lessons Learnt

    What went well with your training plan?
    The first half, and knowing I had covered 32k in training meant I knew I could cover the distance even if it wasn't going to be pretty.

    What would you do differently with your training?
    Be consistent. I missed too many runs, and my legs lacked the strength needed to do what I wanted them to do. I also ran many of my easy miles too fast, basically I have no discipline, only stubbornness.

    What went well about the race?
    I think I fuelled and hydrated well. Took a gel every hour, grabbed water at every water station, never felt like my body had no fuel, the problems were elsewhere. In saying that I do wonder had I put a zero tab or similar in water at some stage might it have prevented some of the almost cramps? Or was that just fatigue, I'll just have to run another to figure it out!

    What would you do differently if you could start the race again?
    Slow the frack down!! And then slow some more. Seriously, wtf was I doing? :D

    Huge thank you to all the contributors to this thread especially our mentors. All the errors were my own, definately can't say I wasn't warned. Haha.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭FITZA


    What went well with your training plan?
    I followed the HHN2 plan, I am delighted I did every run on the plan and, apart from the odd niggle, training went really well. I did light weights twice a week during training.

    What would you do differently with your training?
    Running high mileage can be lonely and boring, I possibly should try training with others more.

    What went well about the race?
    Everything was absolutely fine for 30k, apart from feeling a little sickly taking the gels which hadn't happened in training. The atmosphere was amazing and it didn't feel like I was running for 3 hours at the 30k mark....however, for me the real race didn't start until 32k.

    What would you do differently if you could start the race again?
    I always knew sub 4, which was my A target, would be difficult. The new race time predictor from Runners World was very accurate for me. I am glad I went with the 4 hour pacing group as if I had finished feeling grand I would have been disappointed I didn't go for the sub 4. So I probably wouldn't have changed anything except have arranged someone to meet me at 32k with a new pair of legs :D That would have been ideal :D
    Also one thing that I hadn't thought about until after the race...the distance you run is not exactly 26.2 miles, it will most likely be longer, my garmins (I wore two!) showed 42.65 which is an extra 430m and at the pace I was travelling about 3 mins extra running....so if you get really hung up on a sub time without following a pacing group you could be left disappointed with your official time.


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