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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #5462
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    cnocbui wrote: »
    From the link I posted:



    So Comey was doing the right thing while the rest of the US intelligence community were in the wrong?

    I don't think his reluctance is understandable in the context you have put it, given what his actual views were.

    He has a lot of questions to answer for if that's true.

    There are reports that it took over a month for the FBI to act on this.

    And then you've the whole 11 days from an election thing, which many on both sides will rightfully have concerns about.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #5463
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Maybe Clinton could help Yemenis by not selling any more weapons to the country that's bombing them? :p

    Well if you want less military and arms deals you are lucky Trump is running...

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #5464
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    K-9 wrote: »
    Well if you want less military and arms deals you are lucky Trump is running...

    He is talking about reducing the US presence abroad.


  • #5465
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Harvey Normal wrote: »
    He is talking about reducing the US presence abroad.

    Indeed, War on ISIS will somehow accomplish that how?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #5466
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Harvey Normal wrote: »
    He is talking about reducing the US presence abroad.

    Can you explain then why he wants to increase military spending which is the highest in the world and exceeds china and Russia combined by a factor of 3.


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  • #5467
    FISMA.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭FISMA.


    Ouch - Obamacare is set to go up by an average of 22% next year. In some States alone 100%.

    A lot of people that voted for Obama, like teacher's and other unions are going to find a surprise too, as their plans fall under that Cadillac Tax.

    In the States, employers will often pay for an employees' health care.

    Teachers, cops, and firemen often have some of the best/most expensive plans, paid for by the public.

    However, ... Those benefits will now be counted as income!!!:eek:

    Y'ep!!!

    What does this mean?

    It means that the cost of your plan, maybe over 10K, that is now paid by your employer, will be counted as income!!!

    So, about 30% of that will be taxes. Many people will find they owe another $3000 very soon.

    Obama has kicked this can down the road numerous times and now, until he is out of office.

    Let's not forget that 10,000 people retire every day in the States which is at least part of the reason why the unemployment numbers are far worse than they appear.

    Imagine 10,000 people no longer putting money in to the system, but taking out.


  • #5468
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.reddit.com/comments/5afsu6

    On the top of reddit right now.. Obama's brother did an AMA.

    What a ridiculous election.


  • #5469
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    K-9 wrote: »
    Indeed, War on ISIS will somehow accomplish that how?

    He does change about a bit but on the other hand we can assume that the Clinton presidency will be a bloody mess.


  • #5470
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Harvey Normal wrote: »
    He just change about a bit but on the other hand we can assume that the Clinton presidency will be a bloody mess.

    And Trump will be peace on earth?


  • #5471
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Can you explain then why he wants to increase military spending which is the highest in the world and exceeds china and Russia combined by a factor of 3.

    As I said he chops and changes. In general I don't my see trump as pro imperial though. Clinton is full on war party.


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  • #5472
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Overheal wrote: »
    And Trump will be peace on earth?

    Far more peaceful than Clinton's desperation to make war with Russia.

    If only her Syria 'plan' was given any scrutiny for the insane warmongering that it is.


  • #5473
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Far more peaceful than Clinton's desperation to make war with Russia.

    If only her Syria 'plan' was given any scrutiny for the insane warmongering that it is.

    What evidence do you have that she wants to start a war with Russia?


  • #5474
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Overheal wrote: »
    What evidence do you have that she wants to start a war with Russia?
    She may not want to start a war with Russia but a no fly zone will ensure that some form of conflict starts, maybe not a physical conflict but it will strain Russian and American relations to Cold War levels.


  • #5475
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Overheal wrote: »
    What evidence do you have that she wants to start a war with Russia?

    What do you think 'syrian no fly zone' entails?

    Just like the implementation of same in Iraq, Libya & Kosovo.... It didn't exactly involve a tickling contest.


  • #5476
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    What do you think 'syrian no fly zone' entails?

    Just like the implementation of same in Iraq, Libya & Kosovo.... It didn't exactly involve a tickling contest.

    As I recall the no fly zones in Iraq for instance ran for quite a long stretch of time without major incident. The only reason the situation changed was 9/11 and then we desired to go after "weapons of mass destruction"


  • #5477
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    A fascinating panel discussion regarding the recent chain of events surrounding Hillary Clinton. I agree with both democrats on the panel about troubling questions that the American people need answered BEFORE the election. One question needs to be posed and answered by Obama before the election... If Hillary becomes the president elect would you pardon her for any reason? And the similar question needs to be posed and answered by Hillary before the election... I you becomes president would you pardon yourself for any reason?

    The whole discussion is interesting, but you can skip to around the 7 minute mark to see what I'm referencing.

    Since boards.ie seems to block the video, try clicking this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJGz27NlD6Y


  • #5478
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Overheal wrote: »
    As I recall the no fly zones in Iraq for instance ran for quite a long stretch of time without major incident. The only reason the situation changed was 9/11 and then we desired to go after "weapons of mass destruction"
    Was Russia a major player in Iraq though? They weren't, and so a no-fly zone was fine. Having a no-fly zone in Syria is a completely different matter all together.


  • #5479
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Overheal wrote: »
    As I recall the no fly zones in Iraq for instance ran for quite a long stretch of time without major incident.

    Against an already shattered IqAF..... But still required quite a bit of death.

    But both you & Hillary know that enforcing her "plan" on Syria is a completely different ball game.

    To ensure that a no fly zone works , just like all the other cases, both the air-assets & air-defence assets of the country in question get destroyed.

    This will be the obvious & inevitable death of hundreds of Russian servicemen.

    No reader here is stupid enough to think that Moscow will find this 'tickety-boo'.

    Hillary says she wants to ground Russia's jets.
    She will have to destroy a lot of Russian & Syrian men & materiél to make her deranged fantasy so.


  • #5480
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    Overheal wrote: »
    As I recall the no fly zones in Iraq for instance ran for quite a long stretch of time without major incident. The only reason the situation changed was 9/11 and then we desired to go after "weapons of mass destruction"

    Find any?

    That was a different era. The Russians weren't defending Hussein.


  • #5481
    FISMA.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭FISMA.


    Anyone notice the "most talked about story in America, FBI investigation into Clinton's emails, isn't trending on Facebook. Not even on the Politics tab."

    Add to the list of censors: Twitter, Buzzfeed, and Snapchat.

    Left, right, or center, this kind of censorship should scare us all.


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  • #5482
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    FISMA. wrote: »
    Anyone notice the "most talked about story in America, FBI investigation into Clinton's emails, isn't trending on Facebook. Not even on the Politics tab."

    Add to the list of censors: Twitter, Buzzfeed, and Snapchat.

    Left, right, or center, this kind of censorship should scare us all.

    Is it censorship or just literally people bored to tears of talking about her email.


  • #5483
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Is it censorship or just literally people bored to tears of talking about her email.


    It is 100% censorship, google is also heavily involved
    "Why are Twitter users misspelling the hashtag #HillaryForPrison as #HillaryForPrision?
    Well, if you must know, Twitter has a track record of censoring political speech, namely from conservative users, and now they’re blocking the hashtag #HillaryForPrison from trending on their site.

    Now, #HillaryForPrision is the second most tweeted hashtag today behind “Happy Halloween” to get around Twitter’s Leftist filter.
    And Twitter users have had enough with the whole charade:"

    http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/10/31/twitter-blocks-hillaryforprison-trend-users-just-tricked-twitter-worked/#QR1RTj9o5ldR28Gz.99

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxFRqNmXKg


  • #5484
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Iceboy wrote: »
    It is 100% censorship, google is also heavily involved



    http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/10/31/twitter-blocks-hillaryforprison-trend-users-just-tricked-twitter-worked/#QR1RTj9o5ldR28Gz.99

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxFRqNmXKg

    No it's not.

    You're wrong.

    That's just a stupid conspiracy theory.


  • #5485
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    gosplan wrote: »
    No it's not.

    You're wrong.

    That's just a stupid conspiracy theory.

    I can't tell if your joking or just lacking intelligence or common sense.

    Everytime something comes into question and even with evidence to back it up you people shout tin foil hats, so narrow minded

    I love how they think shaming people by using things like "conspiracy theory" "crazy" "delusional" will work anymore when there is SOLID PROOF of this. Oh and the whole "Islamophobia" "bigot" "racist" no longer works as well. Gonna have to try something new, like the truth.


  • #5486
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,109 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Iceboy wrote: »
    It is 100% censorship, google is also heavily involved



    http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/10/31/twitter-blocks-hillaryforprison-trend-users-just-tricked-twitter-worked/#QR1RTj9o5ldR28Gz.99

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFxFRqNmXKg

    They selectively picked search terms that backed up their point and ignored all others.

    Simple enough technique to create a conspiracy theory involving Google. Stick in enough terms till you find a few that suit your point.


  • #5487
    m1ck007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭m1ck007


    Trump is gonna trounce Hilary. Too much scandal, too much cover up.


  • #5488
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,566 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Back on topic.

    I think the new email investigation will only have consequences for Clinton if any of those 30k emails that she deleted are found to have contained classified information

    All the FBI need to find, is one email that was deleted by Clinton that constitutes the destruction of evidence and she'll be in huge trouble.

    I don't think that there's enough time before the election, but it's likely that the two months before her inauguration will be pretty stressful for her. Lying under oath and or destruction of evidence is a serious crime and if anything is discovered, she will be facing day 1 impeachment from the republican party.

    Hillary Clinton, 2nd worst presidential candidate ever, 2nd only to Donald Trump

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #5489
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    m1ck007 wrote: »
    Trump is gonna trounce Hilary. Too much scandal, too much cover up.

    Too much scandal for Hillary eh? Or could it be you're just more aware of Hillary's scandals because of selection bias?


    https://youtu.be/h1Lfd1aB9YI

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #5490
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

    Why does Trump have a server with a secure connection to Russia?


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  • #5491
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

    Why does Trump have a server with a secure connection to Russia?

    And why doesn't he release his tax returns?


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