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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #5192
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Hilary is going to lose badly in this election, don't be fooled by the over sampling polls of democrats in the MSM

    And early indicators from exit polls in early voting show that it will be a landslide win for Trump, and this was before the FBI announced the investigation reopening for Clinton! she is toast.

    Not going to happen. That's Comical Ali style rhetoric.


  • #5193
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    alastair wrote: »
    Akrasia wrote: »
    He could have waited for a few weeks before releasing this vague and potentially disruptive statement. He could have waited until he actually has something to announce. Trump is going to spin this as though there is evidence that clinton is a criminal, a spy, a traitor, a liar, corrupt etc etc.

    Those 3 emails could have something in them that we need to know, but whats the point in referring to them unless he knows that there is something significant in them. Comey has a duty to report to congress, but he didn't report anything, he just thew a grenade into the election a week before the election. Everyones gonna presume that there is something big in those emails, but without more information, Trump is free to make up anything he likes.

    It's not really a grenade though. Regardless of what Trump might spin, Comey is clear that the significance of the discovery is to be established. He's flagging it could be something or nothing. Not really what you'd do if you want to cause damage. As I said previously, this smells much more of arse-covering in the context of wingnut conspiracy theories, than strategic campaign tinkering.

    Well it could hardly be described as nothing. The Fbi would hardly be doing this 11 days out if it was so.

    Bottom line is this will carry on into next year, even if she wins.

    I'm a Trump man but at this point both candidates are absolutely done.


  • #5194
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Well it could hardly be described as nothing. The Fbi would hardly be doing this 11 days out if it was so.

    Bottom line is this will carry on into next year, even if she wins.

    I'm a Trump man but at this point both candidates are absolutely done.

    The FBI don't care about, or consider, election timescales as part of investigations. They're operating on their own timeline. Just because it's reported back to congress now, doesn't make it any more important than any other time. They clearly won't be revealing anything about the findings on these emails until well past Election Day, but it's highly unlikely that those findings will make a sod of difference to their investigation determination.


  • #5195
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-fbi-clinton-email-probe-20161028-story.html
    Comey wrote in a letter to Congress that the newly discovered messages could be relevant to questions of whether Clinton and her aides mishandled classified information while she was secretary of State.

    The emails were not to or from Clinton, and contained information that appeared to be more of what agents had already uncovered, the official said, but in an abundance of caution, they felt they needed to further scrutinize them.

    Because Comey had told Congress that the FBI had finished investigating Clinton’s server, he felt he needed to let lawmakers know that agents were looking into the case again in light of the recent discovery, the official said.
    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, excoriated Comey’s timing.

    “The FBI has a history of extreme caution near election day so as not to influence the results,” she said in a statement. “Today’s break from that tradition is appalling.”

    Democrats were not alone in demanding Comey disclose more information or questioning such a disclosure so close to the presidential election.

    "The letter from Director Comey was unsolicited and, quite honestly, surprising,” said a statement from Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley of Iowa, a Republican. “But it's left a lot more questions than answers for both the FBI and Secretary Clinton. Congress and the public deserve more context to properly assess what evidence the FBI has discovered and what it plans to do with it.”

    Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas asked in a tweet: “Why is FBI doing this just 11 days before the election?”

    So politicians from both major parties are openly questioning the FBI 's reasoning behind its actions given the apparent unimportance of the 'new' evidence and the nearness of the election date.


  • #5196
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,315 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    @Black Swan

    He shouldn't have said that and I don't agree with implementing a strategy so crazy and inhumane. He's said some stupid things which were clearly OTT in the heat of the moment which have damaged his credibility and campaign. What I do believe is something drastic needs to be done to stop the inevitable which is already manifesting itself badly throughout Europe and NA. As bad as some of the things he said are, I believe the problem only gets worse and brews hotter if Hillary is appointed especially when you consider her policies on unknown Syrians coming into the US and border control in general. Still have to side with Trump for his policies with ISIS,

    You think he'll stop saying stupid things once he becomes President? We aren't talking dumb quotes like George W. here.

    Torture works, as the best recruiting tool for terrorists ever.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #5197
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,315 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Hilary is going to lose badly in this election, don't be fooled by the over sampling polls of democrats in the MSM

    And early indicators from exit polls in early voting show that it will be a landslide win for Trump, and this was before the FBI announced the investigation reopening for Clinton! she is toast.

    What exit polls are these? Hillary is doing well in the ones I read about.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #5198
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Wonder who actually pushed the button on this latest scandal.

    Problem Hillary has now she will have to concentrate on this for the next week or so.

    And not a policy in sight from either candidate !!!!!


  • #5199
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,574 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    This would seem to be an unprecedented move by the FBI this close to an election. I mean let's say there is nothing in the the emails outside of showing Anthony Weiner is a weirdo.

    I'd expect the polls to tighten after this but with ten days to go will it be enough ? I don't think it will.


  • #5200
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,574 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Wonder who actually pushed the button on this latest scandal.

    Whoever in the FBI found there was emails that they hadn't seen before.


  • #5201
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    ebbsy wrote: »
    Wonder who actually pushed the button on this latest scandal.

    Whoever in the FBI found there was emails that they hadn't seen before.

    Problem is for Hillary what else is being held in reserve.


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  • #5202
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Wonder who actually pushed the button on this latest scandal.

    Problem Hillary has now she will have to concentrate on this for the next week or so.

    And not a policy in sight from either candidate !!!!!

    Hillary has no need, or capacity, to concentrate on this. It's not anything that anyone can bounce off - as there's not going to be any information to debate, until after the election.


  • #5203
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Whoever in the FBI found there was emails that they hadn't seen before.

    Preet Bharara and the NYPD are leading the investigation into Anthony Weiner. Preet and his team found the emails.


  • #5204
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,574 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    ebbsy wrote: »
    Wonder who actually pushed the button on this latest scandal.

    Whoever in the FBI found there was emails that they hadn't seen before.

    Problem is for Hillary what else is being held in reserve.
    Well she is asking for the FBI to release what they have but I don't think the FBI can or will do that.


  • #5205
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Problem is for Hillary what else is being held in reserve.

    This is a big issue. Hillary is repeatedly being judged on what might come out. OH Assange said he will save the big release, oh maybe the fbi might have possibly found something incriminating about Hillary in an email exchange she doesn't seem to be a part of.

    It is all in time people will see with little actual back up.


  • #5206
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,432 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Clinton asking FBI to release their information while an investigation is ongoing is down right
    stupid. They can't do that.

    It's the correct political move to make. Show all or shut up, wash away any ground for Don to mount a reasonable logical base to attack her from. If the mails don't include a mails sent by Hillary and Don tries to use the "new revelation", let him away on it for two days then get a PR firm with a known republican party link from within the Legal community to have their senior lawyer oversee the release. Torpedo the Don ship in deep water and let the republican party send out a rescue boat, if they want to.


  • #5207
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Christy42 wrote: »
    This is a big issue. Hillary is repeatedly being judged on what might come out. OH Assange said he will save the big release, oh maybe the fbi might have possibly found something incriminating about Hillary in an email exchange she doesn't seem to be a part of.

    It is all in time people will see with little actual back up.

    Assange is full of it. He claimed that their leaks would sink Hillary's campaign, and then produces a steady stream of meh. Far more smoke than fire there.


  • #5208
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    alastair wrote: »
    Assange is full of it. He claimed that their leaks would sink Hillary's campaign, and then produces a steady stream of meh. Far more smoke than fire there.

    I've concluded he really thinks or thought he had a smoking gun. I don't think he gets to hear enough dissenting voices.

    Same could be said of Trump, mind.


  • #5209
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    alastair wrote: »
    Assange is full of it. He claimed that their leaks would sink Hillary's campaign, and then produces a steady stream of meh. Far more smoke than fire there.

    Tell me, where does smoke come from?

    The drip drip drip is brilliant its bad on the meta level and shrouds hillary in bad news.


  • #5210
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Iceboy wrote: »
    Tell me, where does smoke come from?

    The drip drip drip is brilliant its bad on the meta level and shrouds hillary in bad news.

    And yet she's still headed to win this election. That says something about what the electorate have judged those leaks to amount to. Something short of a hill of beans.


  • #5211
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Calina wrote: »
    I've concluded he really thinks or thought he had a smoking gun. I don't think he gets to hear enough dissenting voices.

    Same could be said of Trump, mind.

    Assange has a pretty undiscerning attitude to the scale of what he's leaking. Eg The Erdogan leaks had feck all to do with Erdogan and just endangered a load of people. Similar with Saudi leaks, just endangered people.


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  • #5212
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    alastair wrote: »
    And yet she's still headed to win this election. That says something about what the electorate have judged those leaks to amount to. Something short of a hill of beans.

    The IBDC-TIPP Presidential Election Tracking Poll, described as the “most accurate poll in recent presidential elections,” on Wednesday had Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton by one point, 41 percent to 40 percent.

    So no, Hilary is not heading to win this election.

    Also, relevant is that almost all the polls are used by the MSM in America are oversampling democrats, the same thing they pulled with brexit and look how that turned out/

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/latest-abc-news-presidential-poll-oversampled-democrats-9/


  • #5213
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,712 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    alastair wrote: »
    And yet she's still headed to win this election. That says something about what the electorate have judged those leaks to amount to. Something short of a hill of beans.

    That's because her opponent is Donal J Trump.

    Anyone else would have her buried at this stage.


  • #5214
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    The most accurate analysis of polling to the point every state is Nate Silver, amazing how the five thirty eight is so often ignored...


  • #5215
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,574 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    The most accurate analysis of polling to the point every state is Nate Silver, amazing how the five thirty eight is so often ignored...
    It isn't ignored. It's polls are posted here.


  • #5216
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    That's because her opponent is Donal J Trump.

    Anyone else would have her buried at this stage.

    Yet he holds the record for the most amount of GOP voters in history by almost 2 million votes..

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/06/VoteTotals_For.jpg&w=480


  • #5217
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,574 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    An abc news poll is showing that hillary is only 2 points ahead of trump.


  • #5218
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,712 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The only polls worth discussing are the individual state ones, and more closely the swing state ones,

    How are both doing where it matters, where tne EC votes are.

    National polls are not worth a damn.


  • #5219
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    It isn't ignored. It's polls are posted here.

    More in reference to Trump supporters.


  • #5220
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Assange has a pretty undiscerning attitude to the scale of what he's leaking. Eg The Erdogan leaks had feck all to do with Erdogan and just endangered a load of people. Similar with Saudi leaks, just endangered people.

    Assange should have zero credibility to anyone with sense. Wikileaks isn't even a wiki - despite the owners if Wikipedia repeatedly asking him to change the name he continues to piggyback on the name of one of the most visited sites in the www, like a parasite. He fact that he' s trying to influence the election in this way (if he was as civically minded as he lets on, he'd have released everything in ine go) tells you all you need to know. And that's not even mentioning the reason he's holed up in an embassy.


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  • #5221
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,319 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Clinton lied countless times to FBI and she got away with it. Trump has talked about a retired four-star Marine Corps general who served as the nation’s second-ranking military officer , he made false statements in a probe of a leak of classified information and was charged and will go to jail if found guilty.
    Clinton was proving to have lied to FBI over and over with an added 39 times of I can't remember.
    It's these double standards that have put pressure on FBI to do there job right. Trump has talked about that 4 star General in every rally over the past 2 weeks.
    So many FBI agents know that Clinton should have been charged, they can't speak up though.


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