Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion

Harrybelafonte · 27-10-2016 10:58PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

I do think that a twelve-year-old, on average, can look after themself(*). But I think legally someone has to be at home with one?

(*)"itself" seems a bit weird. Singular they it is.

There is no legal age limit for this. ISPCC believes it should be 16, a number of social workers I know feel that for 12-16 an hour or two alone is ok, but a whole day is not acceptable. Despite there being no legal requirement some child agencies have said that parents who leave their kids alone, especially at night, could be charged with negligence.

CramCycle · 27-10-2016 11:05PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

I do think that a twelve-year-old, on average, can look after themself(*). But I think legally someone has to be at home with one?

(*)"itself" seems a bit weird. Singular they it is.

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

There is no legal age limit for this. ISPCC believes it should be 16, a number of social workers I know feel that for 12-16 an hour or two alone is ok, but a whole day is not acceptable. Despite there being no legal requirement some child agencies have said that parents who leave their kids alone, especially at night, could be charged with negligence.

Apparently my parents should have been charged multiple times with negligence. It really does depend on the child but too be honest, but at secondary school level, if you cannot leave them alone for a few hours then, you have to question either your child or your parenting/coping skills.

Harrybelafonte · 27-10-2016 11:08PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Apparently my parents should have been charged multiple times with negligence. It really does depend on the child but too be honest, but at secondary school level, if you cannot leave them alone for a few hours then, you have to question either your child or your parenting/coping skills.

I disagree. Maturity does not occur as one movement with children and can hit at various times, that isn't necessarily a reflection of parenting.

CramCycle · 27-10-2016 11:22PM

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I disagree. Maturity does not occur as one movement with children and can hit at various times, that isn't necessarily a reflection of parenting.

You are of course correct and there are several situations where this of course applies in no way shape or form. There are cases where the child may not be left alone for various reasons and have nothing to do with parenting, jokingly, a neighbour of mine whose daughter who has been occupied by a demon (and this has nothing to do with the parenting), should not be left alone. Although she probably should not be left with people either, so that one is a catch 22.

I just mean that in a large volume of cases, in my opinion, there would be nothing wrong with leaving a secondary school student alone for a few hours. Some kids could be left alone before secondary school, I was, so were many of my friends, probably not very long but at least an hour if not two.

tomasrojo · 27-10-2016 11:32PM

It's no longer acceptable to write to your father in Malta asking for permission to sail to Wild Cat Island with your pre-teen siblings and camp solo there for a fortnight.

ford2600 · 27-10-2016 11:55PM

A mention of Trump/Clinton reminded me of this Bukowski piece written nearly 50 years ago

you can bust OPEN CITY for printing a normal portion of the human body but when you kick the editorial writer of a million circulation newspaper in the ass you better watch out, he just might start writing the truth about Chicago and everyplace else, advertisers be damned. he might only be able to write one column but that one column might get a million readers thinking – for a change – and nobody could tell what might happen then. but the lock’s on tight: when you are given a choice between Nixon and Humphrey it’s like being given a choice between eating warm **** or cold ****.

AstraMonti · 28-10-2016 11:18AM

http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/cyclist-posts-footage-of-close-pass-of-his-8-year-old-daughter-video/

Very close by from the SUV and the majority of the comments have to say is that the kid is not wearing a helmet. Yeap, because if you get run over by an SUV the helmet is going to stop it.

Fian · 28-10-2016 01:34PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paul-rouse/freedom-machines-how-ireland-embraced-cycling-427864.html

Quick description of the history of cycling in ireland in the examiner today.

In other news it is friday afternoon of a bank holiday weekend, I arrived into the office before the sun came up this morning and I left late yesterday - I am looking forward to going home but in a good humoured way. Roll on the long weekend.

Lumen · 28-10-2016 01:40PM

AstraMonti wrote: »

http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/cyclist-posts-footage-of-close-pass-of-his-8-year-old-daughter-video/

Very close by from the SUV and the majority of the comments have to say is that the kid is not wearing a helmet. Yeap, because if you get run over by an SUV the helmet is going to stop it.

I thought you might be exaggerating but then...

Idiot wrote:

The parent is 100% to blame here for putting his child in that dangerous situation in the first place when there were safer options available.

The most surprising thing is that those comments are posted on a cycling site. It's like a bunch of battered women giving advice to each other about not to annoy their abusive partners*.

(* it's domestic violence simile day today; I'm giving myself a break from Nazi metaphors)

Fian · 28-10-2016 01:42PM

AstraMonti wrote: »

http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/cyclist-posts-footage-of-close-pass-of-his-8-year-old-daughter-video/

Very close by from the SUV and the majority of the comments have to say is that the kid is not wearing a helmet. Yeap, because if you get run over by an SUV the helmet is going to stop it.

Those comments made my blood boil, they are easily the worst i have ever seen. I have to assume it a an organised troll and not in any way representative of the views of a random sample of people.

Unbelievable, truly unbelievable. making my good mood for a bank holiday weekend dissipate.

Dermot Illogical · 28-10-2016 01:51PM

The hard of thinking are out in force on that comments section.

Fian wrote: »

Those comments made my blood boil, they are easily the worst i have ever seen. I have to assume it a an organised troll and not in any way representative of the views of a random sample of people.

Unbelievable, truly unbelievable. making my good mood for a bank holiday weekend dissipate.

magicbastarder · 28-10-2016 01:58PM

weird that so many comments are being made like that on what seems to be a cycling advocacy site - has it been overrun?

Chips Lovell · 28-10-2016 02:00PM

Some of the worst scaremongers about cycling are cyclists themselves.

Harrybelafonte · 28-10-2016 02:02PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

weird that so many comments are being made like that on what seems to be a cycling advocacy site - has it been overrun?

This is the new mainstream world of cycling! All the ***** come out to play.

mtbireland · 28-10-2016 02:26PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

weird that so many comments are being made like that on what seems to be a cycling advocacy site - has it been overrun?

The comments get pulled from Facebook which would explain a lot.

CramCycle · 28-10-2016 03:20PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Some of the worst scaremongers about cycling are cyclists themselves.

Probably accidentally guilty of it myself, using strong and emotive language to describe events which I myself did not think were that dangerous. Although the comments do go to show that idotic sense of blame that is attributed to cyclists in near misses and collisions.

I have heard many people say it, look at that muppet, nearly getting hit by a car (who swerved in to close), no helmet, no hi vis. As if somehow the absence of perceived necessary (a discussion for two other threads) safety equipment, shifts the blame from the perpetrator to the victim. There are other examples of this in life, and the funny thing is that I do not think that some people realise the idiocy of their statements.

buffalo · 28-10-2016 08:43PM

Lusk_Doyle · 28-10-2016 08:47PM

^ nazi bike?

RobertFoster · 28-10-2016 08:57PM

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

^ nazi bike?

Low maintenance, it's meant to last 1,000 years. Riders can only indicate right turns though.

Beasty · 28-10-2016 09:37PM

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

^ nazi bike?

You calling Spotty a Nazi?

Lusk_Doyle · 28-10-2016 09:54PM

Beasty wrote: »

You calling Spotty a Nazi?

Well known to have associated in such circles in the past he was!

Chuchote · 28-10-2016 10:07PM

The Nazi wheels are turning backwards?

Chuchote · 29-10-2016 09:25AM

Hungarian ad: "Wouldn't you like to cycle too, Reszö?" (Should have mentioned, NSFW.)

magicbastarder · 29-10-2016 07:42PM

if i was considering building a bike up from a frame myself, what sort of budget would i need to consider for the 'miscellaneous' items on the list - i.e. bar tape, cables & housings, etc. etc.
currently on the list i have frame, groupset, wheels, seatpost, saddle, tyres, stem, bars, pedals, and 'miscellaneous'.

also to budget - €100+ for when i need to go crying to the LBS to fix whatever i've done wrong myself.

tomasrojo · 30-10-2016 01:34AM

Quite interesting article about low-income immigrant workers who get around on very cheap bikes in southern California, often covering large distances.
http://www.bicycling.com/culture/advocacy/how-low-income-cyclists-go-unnoticed?utm_content=buffer37ed2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

(From ten years ago, but recently linked to on dailykos.com)

Chuchote · 30-10-2016 08:58AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

if i was considering building a bike up from a frame myself, what sort of budget would i need to consider for the 'miscellaneous' items on the list - i.e. bar tape, cables & housings, etc. etc.
currently on the list i have frame, groupset, wheels, seatpost, saddle, tyres, stem, bars, pedals, and 'miscellaneous'.

also to budget - €100+ for when i need to go crying to the LBS to fix whatever i've done wrong myself.

What about taking a wander down to Rothar in Fade Street; they put old bikes together all the time to give them away to the needy, and will know the answer inside out.

Unknown Soldier · 30-10-2016 10:23AM

SuperValu have those Limited edition Wotsits Zombie Fingers in stock again this year @ 1.50 for a 6 pack.

yum.

Chuchote · 30-10-2016 11:32AM

This looks like a model adverts.ie could use in its bike sales section: http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/news/where-to-buy-a-used-not-stolen-bike

Dermot Illogical · 30-10-2016 11:42AM

Chuchote wrote: »

This looks like a model adverts.ie could use in its bike sales section: http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/news/where-to-buy-a-used-not-stolen-bike

I was a bit disappointed to open the link and not see a pic of Roz Purcell, but it does look like a good idea.

bp_me · 30-10-2016 10:17PM

Would anyone have a source for replacement "atop" dials. I specifically need a left dial.

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Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion