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Cults

  • 26-10-2016 08:50PM
    #1
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭


    Last year I posted a thread about my visit to the Scientologist HQ in London and how me and a journalist buddy of mine did their personality test and got a guided tour of their whole setup. I remember being struck by how focussed the entire thing was on the individual, and how to someone in difficult times such as a breakup or job-loss - such a philosophy could be very appealing. "Held back by negative experiences", "learn to love yourself and be happy", "reach goals" etc. However I always had bother really grasping how ordinary people fall into these things.

    Until last week.

    One of my missus' mates was recently going to a church after she split from her boyfriend and lost her job (here we go); and we thought nothing of it because she was of African heritage and her family are mad religious anyway. It turns out that this church is listed as one of Britain's biggest cults and is a franchise of an American based setup. Within 10 weeks she has been spending six nights a week at this gaff, taken time off work for five day conferences, been baptised and is now donating 10% of her income to this crowd. A huge part of this 'church' is recruitment and she has been pestering everyone in our sports club and beyond to come along. This shower even target the homeless and try and drag them in. She has also taken to advising other women on dress on morality and is dressing differently.

    The maddest thing is that dating outside of the 'church' is frowned upon and she's taking part in this internal dating program and being advised on partners. She has been given a "sponsor" who basically dictates what she wears and who she speaks to. The internet is full of really disturbing horror stories about these people, and I mean thousands of stories.

    I always thought this kind of stuff was a giggle, until I've seen it first hand now it's scaring the sh*t out of me. Has anyone else seen any of this carry on in person??

    TLDR - cults, brainwashing, marked personal change, Na na Na Na LEADERRRRR, what can we do?


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  • #2
    Felix Jones is God
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Felix Jones is God


    She Sells Sanctuary


  • #3
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Has anyone else seen any of this carry on in person??
    No.
    what can we do?
    Find more compatible friends.


  • #4
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Anyone remember the guy on Abbey St that used to ask people if they wanted a stress test?

    Ah, I miss ignoring him.


  • #5
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Anyone remember the guy on Abbey St that used to ask people if they wanted a stress test?

    Ah, I miss ignoring him.

    That's the Scientologists I think. The crowd I'm on about send people out on Tubes to engage people in conversation about coming to Bible study meetings.


  • #6
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Psychandrics is the one you really need to watch out for.


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  • #7
    Didas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Didas


    I've heard about them cults alright, people dressing up in black and saying our Lords going to come back and judge us all...


  • #8
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    Which one is it ? as I to tired to google the 10 top cults in UK.


  • #9
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Last year I posted a thread about my visit to the Scientologist HQ in London and how me and a journalist buddy of mine did their personality test and got a guided tour of their whole setup. I remember being struck by how focussed the entire thing was on the individual, and how to someone in difficult times such as a breakup or job-loss - such a philosophy could be very appealing. "Held back by negative experiences", "learn to love yourself and be happy", "reach goals" etc. However I always had bother really grasping how ordinary people fall into these things.

    Until last week.

    One of my missus' mates was recently going to a church after she split from her boyfriend and lost her job (here we go); and we thought nothing of it because she was of African heritage and her family are mad religious anyway. It turns out that this church is listed as one of Britain's biggest cults and is a franchise of an American based setup. Within 10 weeks she has been spending six nights a week at this gaff, taken time off work for five day conferences, been baptised and is now donating 10% of her income to this crowd. A huge part of this 'church' is recruitment and she has been pestering everyone in our sports club and beyond to come along. This shower even target the homeless and try and drag them in. She has also taken to advising other women on dress on morality and is dressing differently.

    The maddest thing is that dating outside of the 'church' is frowned upon and she's taking part in this internal dating program and being advised on partners. She has been given a "sponsor" who basically dictates what she wears and who she speaks to. The internet is full of really disturbing horror stories about these people, and I mean thousands of stories.

    I always thought this kind of stuff was a giggle, until I've seen it first hand now it's scaring the sh*t out of me. Has anyone else seen any of this carry on in person??

    TLDR - cults, brainwashing, marked personal change, Na na Na Na LEADERRRRR, what can we do?


    A friend of mine was sucked in by these people a few years ago. I don't know how she's doing now because she cut all contact with the friends from her old life and like you say, she's dating someone the bible thumpers set her up with. When we last spoke, they were setting her up with a man, but she's gay. They truly had their claws into her. At her baptism she felt some pain and she was convinced it was Satan trying to sabotage the baptism. This blonde woman used to follow her around wherever she went in public. She must have been the Sponsor.


  • #10
    Ted111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    You also have the cult of the manager. With Pep and Mourinho.


  • #11
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Which one is it ? as I to tired to google the 10 top cults in UK.

    International Christian Church.


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  • #12
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Widdershins wrote: »
    A friend of mine was sucked in by these people a few years ago. I don't know how she's doing now because she cut all contact with the friends from her old life and like you say, she's dating someone the bible thumpers set her up with. When we last spoke, they were setting her up with a man, but she's gay. They truly had their claws into her. At her baptism she felt some pain and she was convinced it was Satan trying to sabotage the baptism. This blonde woman used to follow her around wherever she went in public. She must have been the Sponsor.

    Christ do you remember the name of the crowd she was with? They're all much of a muchness I'd say. It's mad to watch like.


  • #13
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    FTA69 wrote: »
    International Christian Church.

    Just read up there on it,

    The ICC emphasizes that Jesus' church in the Bible was persecuted, and therefore, members should not be concerned when outsiders refer to the ICC as a cult or with other emotionally-charged terminology. In fact, the ICC teaches that having detractors is great evidence that they are effectively imitating the teachings and practices of the church of the first century.

    Each member is expected to give 10% of their income to the church. Additionally there are three "Special Contributions" during the year which each member is expected to give 25x his normal weekly contribution.[12]

    https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiNqKe3pvnPAhUBMxQKHStlC8QQFgggMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FInternational_Christian_Church&usg=AFQjCNGRE-ZNnm3K_SxeVu6ptGgVj17L3A&sig2=aCoLaW_w0R8SAJI6QkF9LA


  • #14
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Christ do you remember the name of the crowd she was with? They're all much of a muchness I'd say. It's mad to watch like.

    I don't think she ever said who they were, sorry. I assumed they were born again christians because of the baptism but it looks like there's a few similar cults.


  • #15
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Ted111 wrote: »
    You also have the c*nt of a manager with Mourinho.

    True.


  • #16
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    FTA69 wrote: »
    International Christian Church.
    Splitters!


  • #17
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Anyone remember the guy on Abbey St that used to ask people if they wanted a stress test?

    That was the CoS. People got wind that they were offering a personality test, so they switched to a free personality test after that.
    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Each member is expected to give 10% of their income to the church.

    That's not unusual in Christian churches. Born again Christians are supposed to give the first 10% of their income to their local church.


  • #18
    philstar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭philstar


    Roman Catholicism ?


  • #19
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    I went along to an Amway "introduction" meeting once, does that count?


  • #20
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    I'd been thinking UCKG, their drones are always around Holloway and Finsbury Park at the weekend. Loopers the lot of them.


  • #21
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    philstar wrote: »
    Roman Catholicism ?

    RC is nothing in comparison.


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  • #22
    Vic_08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Widdershins wrote: »
    RC is nothing in comparison.

    Cult + Time = Religion

    People think the likes of Scientology are preposterous because it sounds like a bad sci-fi book but can't see that the mainstream religions are just an ancient version of the same.

    It's all make believe, one is no more legitimate than the other. If you are going to add up all the damage done by them the RC church would be right up at the top of the pile.


  • #23
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    10% is a tenth. A tithe.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe


  • #24
    LETHAL LADY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    There's a bunch of Mennonites after setting up camp near my hometown. I've seen them once or twice dressed in their Amish type clothing and shopping in the local Aldi, but they stand out like a sore thumb in a rural community to be fair.

    They've recently had a two-page spread dedicated to them in the local newspaper explaining their work and so forth. They've also set up a theraputic camp http://wilderness.ie/ for 11-14 year old boys (such an impressionable age for boys) and to quote their page " a place for young people who are having difficulty in their home and school"

    I'll probably be torn apart for this but it all seems very odd to me.


  • #25
    Ferrari3600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Ferrari3600


    Berserker wrote: »
    That was the CoS. People got wind that they were offering a personality test, so they switched to a free personality test after that.

    Wait. The Church of Satan recruit in Abbey Street?? :eek:


  • #26
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Born and raised in a cult.

    Ama.

    Yes I'm ****ed up.


  • #27
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Last year I posted a thread about my visit to the Scientologist HQ in London and how me and a journalist buddy of mine did their personality test and got a guided tour of their whole setup. I remember being struck by how focussed the entire thing was on the individual, and how to someone in difficult times such as a breakup or job-loss - such a philosophy could be very appealing. "Held back by negative experiences", "learn to love yourself and be happy", "reach goals" etc. However I always had bother really grasping how ordinary people fall into these things.

    Until last week.

    One of my missus' mates was recently going to a church after she split from her boyfriend and lost her job (here we go); and we thought nothing of it because she was of African heritage and her family are mad religious anyway. It turns out that this church is listed as one of Britain's biggest cults and is a franchise of an American based setup. Within 10 weeks she has been spending six nights a week at this gaff, taken time off work for five day conferences, been baptised and is now donating 10% of her income to this crowd. A huge part of this 'church' is recruitment and she has been pestering everyone in our sports club and beyond to come along. This shower even target the homeless and try and drag them in. She has also taken to advising other women on dress on morality and is dressing differently.

    The maddest thing is that dating outside of the 'church' is frowned upon and she's taking part in this internal dating program and being advised on partners. She has been given a "sponsor" who basically dictates what she wears and who she speaks to. The internet is full of really disturbing horror stories about these people, and I mean thousands of stories.

    I always thought this kind of stuff was a giggle, until I've seen it first hand now it's scaring the sh*t out of me. Has anyone else seen any of this carry on in person??

    TLDR - cults, brainwashing, marked personal change, Na na Na Na LEADERRRRR, what can we do?

    Ye seen it happen first hand myself. But Jeremy and Super Hans came around in the end


  • #28
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Catholic Church


  • #29
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    I've been involved in a number of cults both as a leader and a follower.
    You have more fun as a follower but you make more money as a leader.


  • #30
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    Cult + Time = Religion

    People think the likes of Scientology are preposterous because it sounds like a bad sci-fi book but can't see that the mainstream religions are just an ancient version of the same.

    It's all make believe, one is no more legitimate than the other. If you are going to add up all the damage done by them the RC church would be right up at the top of the pile.

    Ancient and not very potent. I'm talking about now, now in the past. The RC isn't comparable. When someone's drawn into a cult and they cut themselves off from their old lives and friends, believng satan is speaking through anyone who tries to reason with them, that's a bit more worrying than someone else going to mass once a week and generally doing what they've been doing all their lives and not giving anyone any major surprises. But if you want to drag the RC into it, you'll find there are some very dodgy things being done in the name of other religions around the world right now and throughout history.


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  • #31
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    Posted this a while back about the cult like Neocathechumenate Way within the Catholic Church and the psychological tactics used to keep people on the hook.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101324462&postcount=26


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