anti-speeding adverts - effective?

Shenshen · 25-10-2016 2:43pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Are you sure your info isn't outdated? National limits don't exist anymore do they? Councils often review speed limits and road signage on request. How many times have any of you actually written in to a council about a speed limit in an area?

Citizen Information seems to think they exist, so I took their word for it.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/roads_and_safety/road_traffic_speed_limits_in_ireland.html

ScumLord · 25-10-2016 2:45pm

Eamondomc wrote: »

Is it not legal to exceed the speed limit while overtaking, I always thought it was?

Is it? The speed vans did a blitzcrieg in my area recently and of course many people who saw the vans would jam on the brakes and crawl past at 60kph even though the limit is 100. I always overtake them staying inside the speed limit while passing the speed van. But I guess I'd have a bit more leeway when passing.

Steve F · 25-10-2016 4:33pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Are you sure your info isn't outdated? National limits don't exist anymore do they? Councils often review speed limits and road signage on request. How many times have any of you actually written in to a council about a speed limit in an area?

Very good point

jackofalltrades · 25-10-2016 4:57pm

osarusan wrote: »

No they aren't. Last year was the 2nd lowest total ever, and the numbers are less than half what they were a decade ago.

Yes but for this year they're on the way up.
156 so far this year according to the Garda website.
Averaging 15 deaths per month and with a bank holiday weekend approaching.
We could be looking at 186 deaths this year, which is a good deal up on last years 162.
These figures are showing us that you can't replace the traffic corp with speed vans.
No doubt though this will be ignored and they'll be even more speed checks.
Far be it for the people that have the power to change this to come up with new ideas, or even just copy other countries.

bodhrandude · 25-10-2016 5:20pm

An ad I always remember was the one with Samantha Mumba doing that David Bowie cover, it was related to speeding but more about wearing your seat belt. The onus being if you are not belted in, someone unnecessarily speeding could do you some damage if they plough into the back of you.

freshpopcorn · 25-10-2016 6:48pm

When in saw this thread tittle I knew it was going to be an Andy From Sligo thread.
I was young enough when these ads started at I find my generation were sort of just grew up with them and I find we didn't take much notice of them now. I even remember when Gay Byrne was the chairperson of the saying something along the lines of No matter how many crashed cars or bodies we show the message is just not across.
I remember the ad with the Samantha Mumba song and people saying they always thought of that ad when the song was on the radio.
I think road deaths have decreased because of the motorways. There used often be cross over collisions on the old N7/N8/Etc before the motorways opening.
I also think safety features in cars have improved to reduce road deaths. People walk out of collisions which would have being fatal twenty years ago.

Jesus. · 25-10-2016 7:28pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Actually they did. They did a campaign of about six ads on safe driving including driving on a motorway (including lane use), keeping distance from the drive in front and using a roundabout safely.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Road-Safety/Campaigns/Current-road-safety-campaigns/Better-Safer-Driver/

Well that's not the one you've linked up. No sign of Motorway driving there.

Andy From Sligo · 25-10-2016 7:53pm

I do think though eventually if people dont sit up and listen and take notice of these ads and information then eventually the government will take things into their own hands (if they havent already in places where there are problems with speeding) and start introducing even more draconian measures to 'force' people to slow down thus re-enforcing the 'nanny state'

Making roads narrower, speed humps (sleeping policeman) , chicanes, roundabouts, traffic signals all that jazz to force people to drive slower have already been introduced to make people drive slower and i just think if people continue to drive over the speed limits even more things like this will be introduced by local and national authorities

Jimmy Garlic · 25-10-2016 8:12pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I do think though eventually if people dont sit up and listen and take notice of these ads and information then eventually the government will take things into their own hands (if they havent already in places where there are problems with speeding) and start introducing even more draconian measures to 'force' people to slow down thus re-enforcing the 'nanny state'

Making roads narrower, speed humps (sleeping policeman) , chicanes, roundabouts, traffic signals all that jazz to force people to drive slower have already been introduced to make people drive slower and i just think if people continue to drive over the speed limits even more things like this will be introduced by local and national authorities

People in a village near where I come from recently dumped silage bales on the spot where the speed van used to hang out to catch people coming down a steep hill out of the village on their way home from mass and the like. The governments primary concern is extracting money from people.

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2016 8:32pm

Jesus. wrote: »

Well that's not the one you've linked up. No sign of Motorway driving there.

There are multiple ads in the TV Ads box. The first three are about motorway driving.

gerogerigegege · 25-10-2016 8:34pm

waste of money.
as are those digital signs saying slow down. 22g a piece
people did driving lessons and a test. they know the rules

Jesus. · 25-10-2016 8:57pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

There are multiple ads in the TV Ads box. The first three are about motorway driving.

Do you work for the RSA Sir?

Totofan99 · 25-10-2016 9:58pm

Eamondomc wrote: »

Is it not legal to exceed the speed limit while overtaking, I always thought it was?

"You must not break the speed limit, even when overtaking."

Page 54 here: http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/Rules_of_the_road.pdf

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2016 10:07pm

Jesus. wrote: »

Do you work for the RSA Sir?

No. Do you? Is that the best you have? Can't beat someone in an argument so try and make them a shill instead.

Jesus. · 25-10-2016 10:17pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

No. Do you? Is that the best you have? Can't beat someone in an argument so try and make them a shill instead.

Not at all. I finally found your clip when you showed me where it was. I'm just wondering why you haven't mentioned the fish in a barrel approach to speed detection that's all.

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2016 10:26pm

Jesus. wrote: »

Not at all. I finally found your clip when you showed me where it was. I'm just wondering why you haven't mentioned the fish in a barrel approach to speed detection that's all.

Why would I?

hadepsx · 25-10-2016 10:29pm

What I unintentionally got from the Irish ad is that the family didn't bother to look before stepping out onto the pedestrian crossing.the amount of people that just step out this way is shocking. I always tell my children to make sure the car has stopped as you can not rely on any driver. (Obviously I also spotted it's aim was to not speed and look around everywhere bar the road ahead).

WindomEarle · 25-10-2016 10:53pm

gerogerigegege wrote: »

waste of money.
as are those digital signs saying slow down. 22g a piece
people did driving lessons and a test. they know the rules

That's not their main purpose. They also provide advance notice of any major blockages.

Jesus. · 25-10-2016 10:56pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Why would I?

It would lend a bit of credence to your otherwise obvious insistence that the RSA's "speed kills" spiel is genuine and productive.

You reading me Cuchulainn?

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2016 10:57pm

Jesus. wrote: »

It would lend a bit of credence to your otherwise obvious insistence that the RSA's "speed kills" spiel is genuine and productive.

You reading me Cuchulainn?

Not really sure what your point is.

Jesus. · 25-10-2016 11:08pm

Quit trying to peddle bullsh1t Sir

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2016 11:26pm

Jesus. wrote: »

Quit trying to peddle bullsh1t Sir

Listen, if you have a point to make then make it. If you want to discuss something in particular then make a point and I'll contribute if I have something to say. If you have nothing but one line nonsense posts then might I suggest you try Twitter. You might find someone who will want to listen to you there and you won't have to worry about putting too many words together at the one time.

wil · 25-10-2016 11:35pm

gerogerigegege wrote: »

waste of money.
as are those digital signs saying slow down. 22g a piece
people did driving lessons and a test. they know the rules

I presume you mean those ones on the motorways, if so, agree with you. However those ones that flash up your speed as you enter 50 kph zones are quite effective. I find myself and many in front of me seem to take notice of them. Rather than the usual big stick of a fine in the post they are a gentle but very persuasive reminder to slow down entering built up areas. It would be well worth having them in all towns and villages.

On the other hand those speed vans seem to be having detrimental effects on some peoples driving. Law of unintended consequences I guess. My observation is that so many poor drivers are so affeared of getting caught (as if) they are dawdling along secondary roads at 30 kph or more below the set limit regardless of road conditions oblivious to the now inevitable tailbacks they are causing. Frustration and impatience ensues and then the dangerous and often near suicidal overtaking. I'm seeing way too much of this in the last few months in camera zones.
Irony is same dawdling drivers tend to speed up going through towns and villages

Andy From Sligo · 26-10-2016 1:45am

Totofan99 wrote: »

"You must not break the speed limit, even when overtaking."

Page 54 here: http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/Rules_of_the_road.pdf

happens to me numerous times - I stick to speed limit, some berk behind me decides he dont want to stick to the speed limit and passes at greater speed / over speed limit - I never see these berks ever getting caught though, maybe if it was a given that every time they did it they got caught as a guarantee i bet they wouldnt do it much longer

Jimmy Garlic · 26-10-2016 1:54am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

happens to me numerous times - I stick to speed limit, some berk behind me decides he dont want to stick to the speed limit and passes at greater speed / over speed limit - I never see these berks ever getting caught though, maybe if it was a given that every time they did it they got caught as a guarantee i bet they wouldnt do it much longer

You do know that most cars overestimate the speed that they are doing on the speedo, some by as much as 10kph. I had an Xtrail that would read 100kph on the speedo but its real speed was just a tad over 90 according to the satnav.

Heckler · 26-10-2016 2:07am

I would drive the south link in Cork towards the Jack Lynch tunnel and the Dunkettle Roundabout everyday. The usual speeders around around 7-8 but nothing too bad.

Started an earlier shift recently and the amount of speeding in the earlier hours is incredible. Between 6 and 7 in the morning while the roads are (relatively speaking) quiet (still a fair bit of traffic) the amount of cars passing me at what must be in excess of 130-140kmh is crazy.

This is a 100kmh zone and I travel at that plus the odd 5kmph.

The lane skipping at speed on a continuous white line in the tunnel itself is just dangerous.

I would love to be a guard in an unmarked car with a speed camera and just spend my days driving up and down the link and tunnel and busting dangerous drivers.

And yes, there does tend to be a higher percentage of certain car type owners with cars of a certain value who do this more.

Little CuChulainn · 26-10-2016 11:15am

Heckler wrote: »

I would drive the south link in Cork towards the Jack Lynch tunnel and the Dunkettle Roundabout everyday. The usual speeders around around 7-8 but nothing too bad.

Started an earlier shift recently and the amount of speeding in the earlier hours is incredible. Between 6 and 7 in the morning while the roads are (relatively speaking) quiet (still a fair bit of traffic) the amount of cars passing me at what must be in excess of 130-140kmh is crazy.

This is a 100kmh zone and I travel at that plus the odd 5kmph.

The lane skipping at speed on a continuous white line in the tunnel itself is just dangerous.

I would love to be a guard in an unmarked car with a speed camera and just spend my days driving up and down the link and tunnel and busting dangerous drivers.

And yes, there does tend to be a higher percentage of certain car type owners with cars of a certain value who do this more.

Have you ever written to the local station and asked them to address the issue or to the council? There's a serious amount of complaining in this thread but not many people do anything about it. If you notify your local Garda Superintendent about an issue he will often address it. Same goes for councils and the RSA.

ScumLord · 26-10-2016 12:41pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I do think though eventually if people dont sit up and listen and take notice of these ads and information then eventually the government will take things into their own hands (if they havent already in places where there are problems with speeding) and start introducing even more draconian measures to 'force' people to slow down thus re-enforcing the 'nanny state'

Making roads narrower, speed humps (sleeping policeman) , chicanes, roundabouts, traffic signals all that jazz to force people to drive slower have already been introduced to make people drive slower and i just think if people continue to drive over the speed limits even more things like this will be introduced by local and national authorities

Unless they have some way of enforcing the speed limit all those things will just become obstacles to speed around. If you want to stop people speeding through a town you need a fixed speed camera. There are parts of the UK where you just don't speed because you will get caught. If everyone if forced into the same behaviour I think it's actually easier to live with the reduced speed. But actually getting caught is the only thing that will stop people speeding. In my area now everyone knows where the speed van pulls in and just slows down for that bit. The camera works, at the moment it just works at designated places.

hadepsx wrote: »

What I unintentionally got from the Irish ad is that the family didn't bother to look before stepping out onto the pedestrian crossing.

When I see a car trying to pull out from a junction I'll often try to make eye contact, until that happens I work under the assumption they don't see me and could pull out in front of me.

Andy From Sligo · 26-10-2016 9:14pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

You do know that most cars overestimate the speed that they are doing on the speedo, some by as much as 10kph. I had an Xtrail that would read 100kph on the speedo but its real speed was just a tad over 90 according to the satnav.

no, i didnt know - why arent speedometers calibrated and give correct figure, otherwise the speed figure, should some case get to court, could be incorrect and the whole case could pivot on it

Jimmy Garlic · 26-10-2016 9:50pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

no, i didnt know - why arent speedometers calibrated and give correct figure, otherwise the speed figure, should some case get to court, could be incorrect and the whole case could pivot on it

Some are worse than others for overestimating speed. I'd imagine that you would only have a case in court if your car was underestimating speed. I think manufactures do it to give drivers a slight buffer, ie if they were slightly over the speed limit according to the speedo they would in reality be slightly under it.

Heckler · 26-10-2016 11:43pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Have you ever written to the local station and asked them to address the issue or to the council? There's a serious amount of complaining in this thread but not many people do anything about it. If you notify your local Garda Superintendent about an issue he will often address it. Same goes for councils and the RSA.

True I never have and probably should. I also drive a lot on a sunday morning from the Dunkettle roundabout along the road to Dublin. Its even worse then.

It would be like shooting fish in a barrel if they had an unmarked car around. And I don't buy the sunday morning no cars around excuse. Doing, at my guesstimate, 160 in a 120 zone is taking the piss.

In a year and a half of traveling the routes of this and my earlier post I've seen one garda car with a camera and one gatso van.

The garda car was parked over the crest of a hill to catch people coming from a 50 to a 30 zone.

anti-speeding adverts - effective?

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