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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #4502
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Just watched the debate thought it went well. Trump behaved very presidential and it was really good they concentrated on policy. The standard of the debate by both participates was much better than the last debate. All in all I found it to be very informative.


  • #4503
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Just watched the debate thought it went well. Trump behaved very presidential and it was really good they concentrated on policy. The standard of the debate by both participates was much better than the last debate. All in all I found it to be very informative.

    Very presidential to say that he won't accept the outcome of the election?


  • #4504
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Very presidential to say that he won't accept the outcome of the election?

    Given that Hillary should never have been chosen as the Democratic candidate as she has broken numerous laws.


  • #4505
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Given that Hillary should never have been chosen as the Democratic candidate as she has broken numerous laws.

    even if this were true what is the connection ?


  • #4506
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Given that Hillary should never have been chosen as the Democratic candidate as she has broken numerous laws.

    Nope, that does not address it in any way. You're diverting from the fact he is refusing to accept the democratic will if he loses... Which he will. "But Hillary" is not a way to address Trump's behaviour.


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  • #4507
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Given that Hillary should never have been chosen as the Democratic candidate as she has broken numerous laws.

    What would they be then?


  • #4508
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Given that Hillary should never have been chosen as the Democratic candidate as she has broken numerous laws.

    Which laws were those?

    She's so evil she doesn't deserve the presumption of innocence that is the corner stone of the US justice system?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4509
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Nope, that does not address it in any way. You're diverting from the fact he is refusing to accept the democratic will if he loses... Which he will. "But Hillary" is not a way to address Trump's behaviour.

    All I said was that he was presidential and the talk of the commentariat was that this was something that was impossible for him to do. He came across in a friendly manner similarly so did Clinton so I do not detest her. On policy the debate went very well. We got to hear a lot more about what their ideas about America and world are. It came across a lot clearer. Hillary's record as a US senator was often thrown out there by her to show all the major important decisions she made. Her policies down through the years have created more problems than solutions though. I felt Trump came at these policies and her husbands as well indeed he even recalled his frustration at Reagan who we all know was not a saint.


  • #4510
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Will try to find it later, up there's an interesting story on their model, its not exactly biased as much as deeply, deeply flawed. One 1 year old black guy in Chicago's vote is worth about 350 standard votes of those participating in it, for example.


    Yes with 99% accuracy in the last two Presidential elections I would also describe their model as flawed........


  • #4511
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_98fe8b3559f64960a573ecad7dc22ec9.pdf


    First poll with McMullin leading in Utah.

    McMullin for Utah!!!


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  • #4512
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He came across in a friendly manner
    Did we watch the same debate??

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-nasty-woman/index.html

    "Such a nasty woman!"

    *constant interruptions* "WRONG! WRONG! LIES! YOU'RE THE PUPPET!"



  • #4513
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,560 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Given that Hillary should never have been chosen as the Democratic candidate as she has broken numerous laws.

    Trump would be losing against any of the possible Democratic nominations. Hillary is actually the only chance he had to win, but he's too stupid and sociopathic to beat the 2nd least popular candidate ever

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #4514
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    All I said was that he was presidential and the talk of the commentariat was that this was something that was impossible for him to do. He came across in a friendly manner similarly so did Clinton so I do not detest her. On policy the debate went very well. We got to hear a lot more about what their ideas about America and world are. It came across a lot clearer. Hillary's record as a US senator was often thrown out there by her to show all the major important decisions she made. Her policies down through the years have created more problems than solutions though. I felt Trump came at these policies and her husbands as well indeed he even recalled his frustration at Reagan who we all know was not a saint.

    And I asked for clarification on how exactly it is presidential to refuse the democratic will of the people? Trump is setting this election up to end in riots, that's what happens when you claim that it's voter fraud and election rigging that's losing it for you. There's nothing presidential about his behaviour.


  • #4515
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Trump would be losing against any of the possible Democratic nominations. Hillary is actually the only chance he had to win, but he's too stupid and sociopathic to beat the 2nd least popular candidate ever


    On the flip side a "normal" Republican candidate should have Hillary in trouble in 2020.


  • #4516
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    On the flip side a "normal" Republican candidate should have Hillary in trouble in 2020.
    This is true. Some people suspect that it would be Paul Ryan and if so, he would be very hard to beat imo.


  • #4517
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    And I asked for clarification on how exactly it is presidential to refuse the democratic will of the people? Trump is setting this election up to end in riots, that's what happens when you claim that it's voter fraud and election rigging that's losing it for you. There's nothing presidential about his behaviour.

    His exact words were "we'll wait and see." Trump is not the only one to notice how extremely favourable the press are to Clinton. Lets not forget she was investigated by the FBI and has repeatedly lied on crucial positions that she has held in the past. Her campaign has been very dirty by implying that Trump is a sexual predator despite any of the allegations being substantiated. She benefits from the citizen united judgement she herself opposes. What we know of Trump is rumor and gossip all be it very bad press coverage. Clinton's record concerning her present policies and her husbands scandals are historical facts.


  • #4518
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    And I asked for clarification on how exactly it is presidential to refuse the democratic will of the people? Trump is setting this election up to end in riots, that's what happens when you claim that it's voter fraud and election rigging that's losing it for you. There's nothing presidential about his behaviour.

    I think he'll have to concede. The damage he would do to the trump "brand" if any violence were to result would be incalculable.


  • #4519
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    On the flip side a "normal" Republican candidate should have Hillary in trouble in 2020.

    I dont think she'll be a one termer. We'll have to wait and see of course.


  • #4520
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I think he'll have to concede. The damage he would do to the trump "brand" if any violence were to result would be incalculable.

    Thing is, he's already told his supporters to keep an eye out for rigging at their local polling centers. Seems guaranteed that something will go wrong.

    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    His exact words were "we'll wait and see." Trump is not the only one to notice how extremely favourable the press are to Clinton. Lets not forget she was investigated by the FBI and has repeatedly lied on crucial positions that she has held in the past. Her campaign has been very dirty by implying that Trump is a sexual predator despite any of the allegations being substantiated. She benefits from the citizen united judgement she herself opposes. What we know of Trump is rumor and gossip all be it very bad press coverage. Clinton's record concerning her present policies and her husbands scandals are historical facts.

    'But Hillary'........


  • #4521
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    His exact words were "we'll wait and see." Trump is not the only one to notice how extremely favourable the press are to Clinton. Lets not forget she was investigated by the FBI and has repeatedly lied on crucial positions that she has held in the past. Her campaign has been very dirty by implying that Trump is a sexual predator despite any of the allegations being substantiated. She benefits from the citizen united judgement she herself opposes. What we know of Trump is rumor and gossip all be it very bad press coverage. Clinton's record concerning her present policies and her husbands scandals are historical facts.
    He substantiated them himself. On numerous occasions. Not just on the Billy Bush bus.

    Seriously. The sexual predator stuff is all self-inflicted. You can't blame Hillary for starting them because she didn't.


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  • #4522
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    His exact words were "we'll wait and see." Trump is not the only one to notice how extremely favourable the press are to Clinton. Lets not forget she was investigated by the FBI and has repeatedly lied on crucial positions that she has held in the past. Her campaign has been very dirty by implying that Trump is a sexual predator despite any of the allegations being substantiated. She benefits from the citizen united judgement she herself opposes. What we know of Trump is rumor and gossip all be it very bad press coverage. Clinton's record concerning her present policies and her husbands scandals are historical facts.

    He stated he was a sexual predator - not Hillary.
    The press and their relationship to Hillary have nothing to do with conceding defeat - that's between the electorate and the candidates.
    The rest of the evasions ignored.


  • #4523
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Well luckily here in Washington we're Vote-By-Mail only. So there wont be any polling stations for trump supporters to be patrolling.


  • #4524
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I dont think she'll be a one termer. We'll have to wait and see of course.

    I reckon she will be. Even if the GOP don't get their act together and find a convincing candidate (entirely possible given the mess they're in), I'd see some serious challengers coming up the ranks in the Democrats.


  • #4525
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nobody in the DNC will give her a serious challenge. There would be no real imperative to, unless she was threatened by another party's candidate.


  • #4526
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    alastair wrote: »
    I reckon she will be. Even if the GOP don't get their act together and find a convincing candidate (entirely possible given the mess they're in), I'd see some serious challengers coming up the ranks in the Democrats.

    Its rare for a serious challenger to the sitting President from their own party.

    Has a sitting president ever lost their own party's primary? The most recent one termers were carter and bush senior and they were both beaten by the other party's nominee.


  • #4527
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Its rare for a serious challenger to the sitting President from their own party.

    Has a sitting president ever lost their own party's primary? The most recent one termers were carter and bush senior and they were both beaten by the other party's nominee.

    LBJ was challenged by Eugene McCarthy in the primaries, and then withdrew from the race, but not neccesarily just for that reason.


  • #4528
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Overheal wrote: »
    Nobody in the DNC will give her a serious challenge. There would be no real imperative to, unless she was threatened by another party's candidate.

    It's more likely than not she will be (threatened).


  • #4529
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Its rare for a serious challenger to the sitting President from their own party.

    Has a sitting president ever lost their own party's primary? The most recent one termers were carter and bush senior and they were both beaten by the other party's nominee.
    Lyndon Johnson was eligible to run in 1968 but chose not to.

    Apparently the only time it has outright happened was to Franklin Pierce, back in 1856. Basically, it's not happening.


  • #4530
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Finnley Quaint Wineglass wrote: »
    And usually with a margin error of 5%. Unless the polls have consulted each and every voting adult anonymously, then wouldn't take them too seriously.

    Eh... that wouldn't be a 'poll'... that would be the general election.


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  • #4531
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    1. Do not forget her age.

    2. If the claims about her health are true (I do not believe them myself), she might not run for health reasons.

    3. Her ratings might be so bad, it might cause her to not run.

    Michelle Obama might be a contender - you never know.


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