2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Billy86 · 19-10-2016 04:12PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

McCain is political royalty in Arizona. Trumps comments towards him and McCains un-endorsement obviously hurting Trump in a big red state.

McMullin for Arizona!!

That's the thing with McCain, he's so highly regarded nationally but especially in Arizona that if he had condemned even a democratic nominee he could do noticeable damage to their numbers. It's something those in the trump safe space echo chamber seem entirely unaware of, which also speaks volumes.

Billy86 · 19-10-2016 04:17PM

K-9 wrote: »

Trump is the antithesis of McCain.

McCain rightly tried to calm down the nuttier elements in the GOP in 08, remember him admonishing a woman for his comments about Obama being a Muslim, threat to the country etc.?

Trump sees these people as his base and is actively counting them.

He has set back race relations 50 years by courting these people as he has legitimized this stuff in their eyes.

That was a moment of pure "oh sh*t Frankenstein!!" moments of any election cycle I can remember. During and a little after 08 he let himself down, but he's otherwise been a very classy politician for a very long time. As someone else put it he is royalty - not just republican royalty, but US political royalty across lines.

B0jangles · 19-10-2016 04:29PM

Kurt Eichenwald has an interesting piece on Trump's extremely shady past in business:

http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-business-busts-victims-511034?rm=eu

Trump regularly cheats at golf, even revising his scorecard after a match to transform defeat into victory, according to two people who have played with him. He persuaded an elderly couple who ran a Florida antique store to let him “try out” two valuable pieces, then refused to return or pay for them, according to someone close to the Trump family. He bought expensive jewelry at Bulgari on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue, then colluded with the store to have empty boxes supposedly containing his purchase shipped out of state so he could dodge New York sales tax, court records show. After dragging a buddy through years of litigation, Trump told the man he had filed the suit only because he was angry the friend had not given him enough public credit for his success, according to a person who witnessed the conversation.

Another example emerged the following year. Trump purchased an old hotel and adjacent apartment building for redevelopment on Central Park South, one of the toniest streets in Manhattan. A little more than 100 tenants occupied the rent-controlled apartments, but Trump launched a campaign to drive them out, according to court documents filed by city and state officials. He filed a barrage of what the city called “nuisance suits” against the residents. He cut off their heat and hot water. He tried to move homeless people into empty apartments to annoy or even frighten the residents. He decreased security for the building, and over those 18 months, the number of burglaries in the building skyrocketed.

Trump scoffed at complaints from residents and the government, publicly disparaging occupants of the apartments as pampered millionaires—a claim he made with no information to back it up. Instead, the court proceedings showed that many of the residents were elderly or middle class. In 1986, with the legal proceedings dragging on, Trump finally abandoned his plans to tear down the apartment building, and the residents were allowed to remain.

Three years later, Trump sold stock in his newly formed Trump Hotel and Casino Resorts, which owned all three of his Atlantic City casinos and another casino he had started in Indiana. He insisted the stock trade under the ticker DJT—his initials. As chairman of the company, Trump maintained a 41 percent stake, which was worth about $400 million when the stock hit its all-time high of $29.25 a share—less than a year after going public.

Under Trump’s leadership, however, the company was unprofitable every year, and by the end of his time as chairman, it had lost more than $1 billion. By 2004, the stock was selling for 65 cents a share, and the company fell into bankruptcy; people who had put their faith in the Trump name lost more than 90 percent of their investment. During the same time, those who owned funds based on the Standard & Poor’s 500 index more than doubled their money. Even in the greatest stock market ever, and in a business regularly described as a license to print money, Trump left only wreckage in his wake. And investors in Trump hotels saw nothing but losses.

On the other hand, Trump did just fine for himself. Even as his company’s stock price was collapsing and annual losses were piling up, filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission show that during his years as chairman, more than $60 million poured from the public company into Trump’s pockets.

This is the dirty secret behind Trump’s allegedly miraculous financial recovery. What he told the public was a fable: that he had fought his way back with perseverance and skill. In truth, he did it by snatching huge fistfuls of cash from a company that was wiping out the savings of millions of people.

There is a lot more in there and it's all pretty appalling.

Edit: And the Clinton campaign have introduced a delightful new feature to their website - now her supporters can choose to auto-donate every time Trump tweets!

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/troll-trump/

Just...masterful.

Quin_Dub · 19-10-2016 04:37PM

Even Fox are calling it done..

They have Clinton on 307 , Trump on 181, with 50 in toss-up..

Texas is even in play with the latest poll showing Clinton has narrowed the gap to 3 points, inside the margin of error..

This is Texas - that Romney won by 16 points and McCain by 12...

Sofa Spud · 19-10-2016 04:39PM

Wasn't he asked in an interview if he's ever asked for forgiveness - I think possibly in relation to his relationship with God - and he, without any sense of hubris, or reality for that matter, replied 'No, why should I, I don't think I have ever done anything that required me to ask for forgiveness'. I think the reality is that he was being genuine and sincere, and not in a good way.....

Agent Smith · 19-10-2016 04:42PM

Sofa Spud wrote: »

Wasn't he asked in an interview if he's ever asked for forgiveness - I think possibly in relation to his relationship with God - and he, without any sense of hubris, or reality for that matter, replied 'No, why should I, I don't think I have ever done anything that required me to ask for forgiveness'. I think the reality is that he was being genuine and sincere, and not in a good way.....

Really trying to sew up that Christian vote.....

Sofa Spud · 19-10-2016 04:46PM

Yeah, but Agent Smith (apologies, not enough posts yet to quote another post), the scary bit is how the evangelicals are, by and large, sticking with him despite all the sleaze - considering all the 'family' values guff they came out with during the nineties when they effectively took over the GOP, it goes to show it was just political expediency, and to me, was just a way to distract from the fact that Clinton was doing an effective job with the economy....

TheDoctor · 19-10-2016 04:49PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Even Fox are calling it done..

They have Clinton on 307 , Trump on 181, with 50 in toss-up..

Texas is even in play with the latest poll showing Clinton has narrowed the gap to 3 points, inside the margin of error..

This is Texas - that Romney won by 16 points and McCain by 12...

Still looking forward to tuning into FOX on election night as Clinton edges over 270.

Quin_Dub · 19-10-2016 05:18PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Still looking forward to tuning into FOX on election night as Clinton edges over 270.

Clinton could have 200+ EC votes in the bag before the west coast (even before the mid-west) have finished voting if she takes Florida and with the 70 or so West coast votes pretty much a given it will be over very early..

Itssoeasy · 19-10-2016 05:22PM

Billy86 wrote: »

That was a moment of pure "oh sh*t Frankenstein!!" moments of any election cycle I can remember. During and a little after 08 he let himself down, but he's otherwise been a very classy politician for a very long time. As someone else put it he is royalty - not just republican royalty, but US political royalty across lines.

My abiding memory of McCain and it kind of summed up that on the whole he's a decent guy, was his consession speech when he lost in 2008. He said that he phone Obama to congratulate him on his victory and some in the crowd booed, and to be fair he wasn't having it from the crowd.

Itssoeasy · 19-10-2016 05:29PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgqRKYapU8

Here is McCains speech. I shudder to think what trumps will be if in the increasing likelihood he loses.

Brian? · 19-10-2016 05:35PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgqRKYapU8

Here is McCains speech. I shudder to think what trumps will be if in the increasing likelihood he loses.

McCain is a class act. Always has been. I don't agree with 90% of his policies, but I have huge respect for the man and always will.

Sofa Spud · 19-10-2016 05:42PM

Ditto - safe to say that Trump won't be so eloquent....

CMOTDibbler · 19-10-2016 05:42PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgqRKYapU8

Here is McCains speech. I shudder to think what trumps will be if in the increasing likelihood he loses.

A very statesmanlike speech and delivered with feeling. Even though some in the crowd booed at Obama's name, they still had the ability to applaud his victory.

That sort of unity is sadly missing these days.

InTheTrees · 19-10-2016 05:43PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Clinton could have 200+ EC votes in the bag before the west coast (even before the mid-west) have finished voting if she takes Florida and with the 70 or so West coast votes pretty much a given it will be over very early..

The news wont report any results until the west coast polls close. The west coast closes (10pm?) and all the news outlets will start announcing the winner based on the exit polls.

Then its a matter of waiting for actual results to confirm that. If its as conclusive as it seems, trump could concede by 10:15?

Quin_Dub · 19-10-2016 05:46PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

The news wont report any results until the west coast polls close. The west coast closes (10pm?) and all the news outlets will start announcing the winner based on the exit polls.

Then its a matter of waiting for actual results to confirm that. If its as conclusive as it seems, trump could concede by 10:15?

But won't..

He won't even contemplate concession until the 270 is 100% official , which probably means waiting for the West coast to declare , and even then I'd say he'll hang in to the bitter end looking for an opportunity to scream "Fraud!!!!"

Itssoeasy · 19-10-2016 05:48PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Still looking forward to tuning into FOX on election night as Clinton edges over 270.

Somehow I don't think that Karl rove will be throwing his toys out of the pram after fox calling a state too soon. Yeah I saw the fact that Texas is now only leaning republican not strongly republican. Dear God trump is going down and even the good people of Texas are thinking "well let's think about this."

Itssoeasy · 19-10-2016 05:50PM

Also speaking of Fox News and the election night coverage. How smug will Megyn kelly if I assume she is co hosting it like other years ?

ebbsy · 19-10-2016 05:57PM

Whatever happens Trump has buried a whole party and 16 candidates to boot,without having a cent of political experience.

He has shown up a lot of people.

Christy42 · 19-10-2016 05:59PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

The news wont report any results until the west coast polls close. The west coast closes (10pm?) and all the news outlets will start announcing the winner based on the exit polls.

Then its a matter of waiting for actual results to confirm that. If its as conclusive as it seems, trump could concede by 10:15?

I remember watching last time and CNN were happy to call states as they closed and called the election for Obama as soon as they called enough states to push him to 270 (though I think that took till California).

They also kept updates going on how each state was going if they hadn't already called it. So potential swing states they held off until they felt enough votes had been counted. They also made a big deal out of each one. Even states like Kansas that they called the second the ballots closed they made a big deal of calling when it was mind numbingly obvious who would win that state.

Overheal · 19-10-2016 06:02PM

The 538 model makes it pretty plain that even without the swing states she's got form control of enough EC votes to surpass 270.

Sofa Spud · 19-10-2016 06:37PM

On a slightly separate note, anyone watching the Keith Olbermann 'The Closer' clips on youtube? Partisan as always, but watchable all the same.

jobbridge4life · 19-10-2016 07:12PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Whatever happens Trump has buried a whole party and 16 candidates to boot,without having a cent of political experience.

He has shown up a lot of people.

Indeed. All of his supporters and abettors.

John Kasich sitting pretty for 2020 if Trump does lose.

jobbridge4life · 19-10-2016 07:29PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

96% of campaign donations from journalists have gone to Hillary.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/10/17/20330/journalists-shower-hillary-clinton-campaign-cash

If we don't have an impartial media, then we don't have a fair election. The whole process has lifted the lid on the globalist cabal who are intent on subverting our western, Christian society. They must be stopped, and Trump is the man to stop them.

Those donations were made publicly. Do you suggest prohibiting journalists from having a political opinion? Because if you do you won't of course actually be preventing journalists from having a political opinion you'll just be making it more difficult for the public to determine what it is.

Also I see we have abandoned any pretenses to this not being a religious war. Who would have thought that the man to save Christian society was a charlatan, serial philanderer, double divorcee, with a penchant for indulging in all things sexual and sordid. Remind me the next time you feign concern for societal values.

jobbridge4life · 19-10-2016 07:37PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

He's got Breitbart, InfoWars and Roger Ailes in his camp. How long before he alienates them I wonder.

Surprise!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-ailes-no-longer-speaking?utm_content=buffer43524&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Billy86 · 19-10-2016 07:59PM

Sofa Spud wrote: »

Yeah, but Agent Smith (apologies, not enough posts yet to quote another post), the scary bit is how the evangelicals are, by and large, sticking with him despite all the sleaze - considering all the 'family' values guff they came out with during the nineties when they effectively took over the GOP, it goes to show it was just political expediency, and to me, was just a way to distract from the fact that Clinton was doing an effective job with the economy....

Well many evangelicals are simply fundamentalists, and once he railed against the Liverpool to their Man Utd (because let's face it, that's one of the most apt analogies for American politics that there is - pick your rivals, Barca/Madrid etc) that's all they needed to know and absolutely nothing else mattered.

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-10-2016 08:10PM

PaddyPower paid out $1.1m already on HC backers, the thing is, DT's odds are shortening and he may well do very well tonight.

If an early market opens for the facepage chap: Zuckerberg (for 2020) at around 1000/1 may well consider a few shillings on it.

It said on the news that HC has been resting for the last 2weeks, sounds a bit peculiar....

Overheal · 19-10-2016 08:12PM

For wide-scale fraud to really be an issue, there would have to be systematic fraud in the counting. But remember: most state governors are republicans

And many previous claims of voter fraud were later investigated and found to be without merit - like the situation in South Carolina, where SLED couldn't find one single case of an alleged dead-person's vote. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/09/nikki-haley-voter-fraud_n_3566194.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

But try to convince the die-hard Trump crowd there isn't going to be fraud. Some of them are already prepared to take up arms. It is dangerous.

Billy86 · 19-10-2016 08:18PM

ebbsy wrote: »

Whatever happens Trump has buried a whole party and 16 candidates to boot,without having a cent of political experience.

He has shown up a lot of people.

A lot of Republican politicians and voter, yeah.

Roanmore · 19-10-2016 08:21PM

Is there any indication on how the House and Senate elections are impacted by the Trump / Clinton campaigns?

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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