UK Votes to leave EU

kunst nugget · 18-10-2016 03:38PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I hate to tell you but Brexit is not going to be the economic train wreck you hope it will be.

Tbf, you don't know what the outcome of Brexit will be anymore than the other poster does.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 03:41PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I hate to tell you but Brexit is not going to be the economic train wreck you hope it will be.

The Mary school of declaiming. 'Because I keep saying it, it is so'.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Jesus, so you're a defence expert now, as well as an economist and a social justice campaigner.

get you.
Just discussing the issues like everyone else.

Yes, there's been issues that need resolving befire construction can commence. As there is with pretty much every single project of this size.

Has it?, you must have a crystal ball, I didn't think Brexit had happened yet.

If the royal Navy procured ten new aircraft carriers, 500 F35s to fly off them and 80 Type 45s to protect them, there would still be a whole raft of people complaining that it isn't enough.

So basically, there is no problems in the British defence area, everything will be ok... just because.

Very good. Carry on.

Iwasfrozen · 18-10-2016 03:55PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Tbf, you don't know what the outcome of Brexit will be anymore than the other poster does.

True but his hope of economic armageddon is very unlikely to unfold.

Fratton Fred · 18-10-2016 03:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So basically, there is no problems in the British defence area, everything will be ok... just because.

Very good. Carry on.

Why do you care?

indioblack · 18-10-2016 03:56PM

wes wrote: »

41% increase. So Yes, hatred unleashed is accurate.

BTW, people have been physically attacked, and one man killed. Making any kind of comparison to anyone on this thread is a utter absurdity, and again a simple example of false equivalence.

As I said earlier, denial not just a river in Egypt.

Thanks for the geography lesson.
It's a matter of balance.
1500 racial and religious attacks in the fortnight prior to the vote - 2200 in the two weeks following - from a population of 64,000,000.
A lot of scared people? No, some.
No hatred from some posters on this thread? This referendum result not giving some posters an opportunity to vent their thinly disguised anti-British spleen?

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 04:01PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why do you care?

Why do you care to dispute?

It's a discussion Fred. The flow of opinions...debate etc.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 04:09PM

indioblack wrote: »

Thanks for the geography lesson.
It's a matter of balance.
1500 racial and religious attacks in the fortnight prior to the vote - 2200 in the two weeks following - from a population of 64,000,000.
A lot of scared people? No, some.
No hatred from some posters on this thread? This referendum result not giving some posters an opportunity to vent their thinly disguised anti-British spleen?

Yet , with an even smaller ratio of ISIS attacks across the world 'it's a threat western to civilisation' according to some posters on here.

It's a cause for concern, is the point and with Brexit not even implemented yet, very worrying.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 04:11PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

True but his hope of economic armageddon is very unlikely to unfold.

Who said anything about economic 'armageddon'? Are we exaggerating again?

Iwasfrozen · 18-10-2016 04:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who said anything about economic 'armageddon'? Are we exaggerating again?

The only one exaggerating is yourself Francie. Exaggerato g the likely effects of Brexit to satisfy your anti British feelings.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 04:27PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The only one exaggerating is yourself Francie. Exaggerato g the likely effects of Brexit to satisfy your anti British feelings.

Anything I have discussed has been backed up by others writing about it and data.

What have you done but repeatedly said, 'ah, it will be alright'

Grayson · 18-10-2016 04:29PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If the royal Navy procured ten new aircraft carriers, 500 F35s to fly off them and 80 Type 45s to protect them, there would still be a whole raft of people complaining that it isn't enough.

The whole point of an aircraft carrier is that is is part of a CBG (Carrier Battle Group) for force projection. It's a mobile extension of your defence capabilities. To do that properly you need a few things. You need enough planes, you need the accompanying destroyers to provide sufficient defence for the carrier and supplement it's offensive capabilities. A carrier without all that is effectively a big target.

Now it's debatable if they need the carriers but if they're getting them they should do it properly.

Iwasfrozen · 18-10-2016 04:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anything I have discussed has been backed up by others writing about it and data.

What have you done but repeatedly said, 'ah, it will be alright'

You've been gleefully predicting the eminent collapse of the UK economy, the break up of the Union and the fall of Britain as a world power. Very little backed up by anything more solid than a fervent hope Brexit will be the economic runation of Britain.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 04:40PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You've been gleefully predicting the eminent collapse of the UK economy, the break up of the Union and the fall of Britain as a world power. Very little backed up by anything more solid than a fervent hope Brexit will be the economic runation of Britain.

I have been discussing the verdicts/predictions of the implications of Brexit for the UK and for Ireland. As well as many family members here, I also have many in Britain and a fair few in Germany and a small few making a living in the rest of Europe.

Like Mary and Fred, you are desperate to just to defend your idols from some perceived slight, and whether I am gleeful/angry or not doesn't negate the fact that you are just using fantasy to back up what you are saying.

First Up · 18-10-2016 04:42PM

Iwasfrozen wrote:

You've been gleefully predicting the eminent collapse of the UK economy, the break up of the Union and the fall of Britain as a world power. Very little backed up by anything more solid than a fervent hope Brexit will be the economic runation of Britain.

Predicting something is not the same as wishing for it but I also expect to see a gradual decline in Britain's prosperity and global standing.

I make no apology for the satisfaction I will take for being proved right but that is more than outweighed by regret over the damage this idiotic decision will do.

Iwasfrozen · 18-10-2016 04:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have been discussing the verdicts/predictions of the implications of Brexit for the UK and for Ireland. As well as many family members here, I also have many in Britain and a fair few in Germany and a small few making a living in the rest of Europe.

Like Mary and Fred, you are desperate to just to defend your idols from some perceived slight, and whether I am gleeful/angry or not doesn't negate the fact that you are just using fantasy to back up what you are saying.

Francie, the only one fantasizing here is yourself. Fantasizing that the economic ruination of Britain you long for leads to the break up of the United Kingdom and the loss of status of the UK as a world power.

In reality all of this is unlikely to happen. As much as I disagree with leaving the EU it's not the end of the world. Much to your chagrin.

When the EU inevitably falls apart Ireland could find itself relying on the UK.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 04:50PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Francie, the only one fantasizing here is yourself. Fantasizing that the economic ruination of Britain you long for leads to the break up of the United Kingdom and the loss of status of the UK as a world power.

In reality all of this is unlikely to happen. As much as I disagree with leaving the EU it's not the end of the world. Much to your chagrin.

When the EU inevitably falls apart Ireland could find itself relying on the UK.

And just to prove me right we get this nugget of certainty, hilarious.

When the EU inevitably falls apart

Iwasfrozen · 18-10-2016 04:51PM

First Up wrote: »

Predicting something is not the same as wishing for it but I also expect to see a gradual decline in Britain's prosperity and global standing.

I make no apology for the satisfaction I will take for being proved right but that is more than outweighed by regret over the damage this idiotic decision will do.

Europe in general is going towards a fall in global standing. The question is will this result lower Britain's standing in the European theater? I doubt it.

Iwasfrozen · 18-10-2016 04:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And just to prove me right we get this nugget of certainty, hilarious.

I hope you're right. I support EU integration. I've supported every treaty so far but I think the EU is on its way out.

indioblack · 18-10-2016 04:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yet , with an even smaller ratio of ISIS attacks across the world 'it's a threat western to civilisation' according to some posters on here.

It's a cause for concern, is the point and with Brexit not even implemented yet, very worrying.

I would agree with that. Any increase should concern people.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 05:03PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Europe in general is going towards a fall in global standing. The question is will this result lower Britain's standing in the European theater? I doubt it.

And if anyone tries to answer that 'question' by using their own opinion and backing it with facts and the opinions of others they get told they are 'exaggerating gleefully'.

One could say the same thing about Mary and you about your fantasies for the EU and Irish economies.

Fratton Fred · 18-10-2016 05:04PM

Grayson wrote: »

The whole point of an aircraft carrier is that is is part of a CBG (Carrier Battle Group) for force projection. It's a mobile extension of your defence capabilities. To do that properly you need a few things. You need enough planes, you need the accompanying destroyers to provide sufficient defence for the carrier and supplement it's offensive capabilities. A carrier without all that is effectively a big target.

Now it's debatable if they need the carriers but if they're getting them they should do it properly.

only one carrier is ever going to be in use at any one time and the Royal anvy has enough ships to cover it.

wes · 18-10-2016 05:08PM

indioblack wrote: »

No hatred from some posters on this thread? This referendum result not giving some posters an opportunity to vent their thinly disguised anti-British spleen?

Seems to me that some people are just overly sensitive of criticism, and there is no comparison to what is going on in the UK on this thread at all, and suggestion is quite frankly absurd.

It astonishing your so quick to dismiss the increase of racism and Xenophobia in the UK, but complain about a message board thread, where some people are offering harsh criticism of the UK. There is imho no comparison at all.

First Up · 18-10-2016 05:10PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Europe in general is going towards a fall in global standing. The question is will this result lower Britain's standing in the European theater? I doubt it.

Brexit will damage Europe; of that there is little doubt. It is a backward and destructive step from every perspective. Britain stands to suffer far more than anywhere else as a result - we will probably be (hopefully a distant) second.

indioblack · 18-10-2016 05:31PM

wes wrote: »

Seems to me that some people are just overly sensitive of criticism, and there is no comparison to what is going on in the UK on this thread at all, and suggestion is quite frankly absurd.

It astonishing your so quick to dismiss the increase of racism and Xenophobia in the UK, but complain about a message board thread, where some people are offering harsh criticism of the UK. There is imho no comparison at all.

I haven't dismissed it - read my response to another poster a few posts before this one.
Criticism needs to be specific and useful - and relevant to the thread topic.
I find little direct relevance in some of the issues raised here in the last few days.

catbear · 18-10-2016 05:39PM

101387948 wrote:

you've been gleefully predicting the eminent collapse of the UK economy, the break up of the Union and the fall of Britain as a world power. Very little backed up by anything more solid than a fervent hope Brexit will be the economic runation of Britain.

In fairness now without facts an auld jar of glee nearby will help lubricate when taking brexit up the jaxy

edit: apologies to Francy

wes · 18-10-2016 05:41PM

indioblack wrote: »

I haven't dismissed it - read my response to another poster a few posts before this one.

Fair enough, missed that. My bad there.

indioblack wrote: »

Criticism needs to be specific and useful - and relevant to the thread topic.
I find little direct relevance in some of the issues raised here in the last few days.

I took issue with the comparison of people on this thread to some of the Brexiter Xenophobia, which again was very much a part of the Farage end of the campaign.

FrancieBrady · 18-10-2016 05:44PM

catbear wrote: »

In fairness now without facts an auld jar of glee nearby will help lubricate when taking brexit up the jaxy

I didn't say that, fix the quote tags

steddyeddy · 18-10-2016 05:53PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Great simple and quick vid explaining international trade deals that every brexiter should be made watch

It's a lot worse than I thought. She explained that quite nicely.

karma_ · 18-10-2016 05:55PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I hope you're right. I support EU integration. I've supported every treaty so far but I think the EU is on its way out.

Jesus, you've just turned into a complete parody of yourself.

Iwasfrozen · 18-10-2016 06:05PM

karma_ wrote: »

Jesus, you've just turned into a complete parody of yourself.

I'm not interested in discussing politics with you because I find your posts needlessly aggressive and negative. Please don't reply to my posts in future. I've never added anyone to ignore and I don't want to start now.

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