UK Votes to leave EU

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why are you angry?

If you can't figure it out carry on thinking I'm gleeful.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you can't figure it out carry on thinking I'm gleeful.

I can't. That's why I'm asking.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The effects of Brexit are being over blown. Gleefully in some quarters, I might add.

Ha,ha you're hilarious Muriel!!

BREXIT hasn't even happened yet and already the UK currency has already tanked by 14 % against a trade weighted basket of currencies, 20% against the dollaR, & is now at a 168 year low, property markets have completely floundered (commercial, industrial& residential), funds have not been able to meet redemption requests, inflation is kicking in in basic foodstuffs & consumer goods which will hurt the consumer, all foreign firms are prudently doing contingency planning with most putting all investments in the Uk on hold (e.g. Nissan , Toyota, etc, etc) & will probably seek to instead invest elsewhere in Europe (e.g. services firms in Ireland, Holland, etc, industrial firms in France, Germany, etc), even London's pre eminence as the biggest financial services centre in Europe is now under serious threat with May and the dumb conservative Tories posturing for a hard Brexit, cos they're worried Ukip will usurp them at the polls. Brexit, handled badly, as it is being already imho, has the potential to seriously diminish the UK economy over the medium to long term, certainly leading to a poorer, less progressive, more insular & isolated Uk, & perhaps even leading to a break up of the UK itself over the next 10 to 20 years say.

That's what you get when you look to bitter cretins like Nigel Garbage and Boris the bandwagoner for your immigration, trade and foreign policy. You lose badly, and become significantly poorer, and sadly so do all your close allies and trading partners like Ireland.(although to a lesser extent naturally)
So Bollox to Brexit, Boris and the bull ****ters!!!

maryishere wrote: »

He knows the UK wil more than likely be correct in the medium to long term future, just as it was correct in keeping sterling. The EU has lost one of its main net contributors - what will Germany do now? How will it deal with the PIGS debt? ( Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal )? ...to say nothing of all the bad loan Germany made in Eastern Europe? Deutsche’s share price has plummeted to record lows, dropping by more than half since the end of last year.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/deutsche-bank-debt-is-taking-a-beating-2016-09-27

You still have to explain how a double dip recession, austerity and rising employment was a benefit of keeping sterling.

Britain will be on their own, sterling will be even more vulnerable as we have seen and Brexit hasn't even happened yet.

For our sakes Britain has to survive, but all I am seeing is fantasy talk about the future. I don't think they will do well in the medium term and the long term only myopic Union fantasists can call. We could all live to see a world without a UK.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

In case 2, Brexit happens on paper, but the UK keeps all the regulations and pays the associated fees.

This is the most likely outcome and best for everyone imo. They just have to fool the more extreme end of the pro-Brexit spectrum of voters into believing everything has changed, which shouldn't be too hard.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This is the most likely outcome and best for everyone imo. They just have to fool the more extreme end of the pro-Brexit spectrum of voters into believing everything has changed, which shouldn't be too hard.

Do any islands of Brits in the south Atlantic need some landscaping done? The navy is a bit clapped out though

maryishere wrote: »

Unfortunately the EU will fail, for the same reason the old Soviet union failed. It started off ok ( the old EEC ) but has grown too big, for one thing. Germany will not be able to keep it all afloat, with agreement from 27 other countries. Remember the debt crises? It has not gone away, just the can kicked down the road.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_debt_crisis

If the EU does survive it will harmonise tax rates / will not tolerate our governments attitudes to Apple and other multinationals, destroying our business model, and we may as well leave the EU too, according to economist Wolfgang Münchau
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535

As he says, Dublin has been resisting such a change, but with the UK out of the EU it will lose an ally in the fight against EU-imposed tax harmonisation. The Financial Times and Bild both can see the writing on the wall for us in Ireland.
No need to be in denial and blame "de Brits".

Is your point here that everything will be rosy if the EU fails? Because I don't know why you keep posting that.

Is the point of your posting here, that the only thing that is important is that the UK is right?

maryishere wrote: »

Unfortunately the EU will fail, for the same reason the old Soviet union failed. It started off ok ( the old EEC ) but has grown too big, for one thing. Germany will not be able to keep it all afloat, with agreement from 27 other countries. Remember the debt crises? It has not gone away, just the can kicked down the road.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_debt_crisis

If the EU does survive it will harmonise tax rates / will not tolerate our governments attitudes to Apple and other multinationals, destroying our business model, and we may as well leave the EU too, according to economist Wolfgang Münchau
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535

As he says, Dublin has been resisting such a change, but with the UK out of the EU it will lose an ally in the fight against EU-imposed tax harmonisation. The Financial Times and Bild both can see the writing on the wall for us in Ireland.
No need to be in denial and blame "de Brits".

So, the EU will fail.............But if it doesn't, it will harmonise tax rates.
And if it doesn't harmonise tax rates? what then, Mary?

The EU will eventually fail, just as the Roman or British Empires eventually failed, all man-made things do. But I don't see it in the immediate future. When it didn't fail in the last 8 years, the biggest crash since the great depression, I expect it will last another while.

maryishere wrote: »

I did or do not have a B+B or get a leader grant. What is beyond dispute are the many billions we got in this country from Germany anf the UK, like the 8 billion our then Taoiseach brought home from Edinburgh in 1992, as widely reported at the time (link given earlier ).

Perhaps if we were not so greedy or wasteful of EC funds then the likes of the UK would not have wanted to leave / stop contributing?

I don't remember this being a talking point in the referendum debate. What I do remember is taking back control of laws and immigration. So while you seem to have a fascination with this, it has nothing to do with Brexit.

If the UK is so upset with wasteful EU spending, maybe they would have stopped voting for UKIP MEPs that hardly do any work with the European Parliament yet still claim as much as they can. That is what the UK payments have been going to.

maryishere wrote: »

Unfortunately the EU will fail, for the same reason the old Soviet union failed. It started off ok ( the old EEC ) but has grown too big, for one thing. Germany will not be able to keep it all afloat, with agreement from 27 other countries. Remember the debt crises? It has not gone away, just the can kicked down the road.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_debt_crisis

If the EU does survive it will harmonise tax rates / will not tolerate our governments attitudes to Apple and other multinationals, destroying our business model, and we may as well leave the EU too, according to economist Wolfgang Münchau
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535

As he says, Dublin has been resisting such a change, but with the UK out of the EU it will lose an ally in the fight against EU-imposed tax harmonisation. The Financial Times and Bild both can see the writing on the wall for us in Ireland.
No need to be in denial and blame "de Brits".

Actually the fact that the UK is out of the EU may just mean that the EU will have more chance of succeeding as you will not have a country that has a veto vote that will use it when the discussions are done regarding a closer union between the other EU countries. As you keep pointing out Ireland have been receiving huge benefits from the EU, we can't complain now if there will be some pain as we need to address a shift in policy to ensure the stability of the euro or the EU. We have made our bed, now we have to make the best of it.

If I may be as bold in a prediction as you seem to be, the chance is there for Ireland to pick up some of the trade that the UK will lose if they go with the hard brexit. We will be the one of the few English language countries left in the EU, and as you pointed out before we share so much with the British (laws based on British laws). So for a company from the US that needs to move their headquarters to a EU country, Ireland is there where the move is to another country that speaks the language and is only a short distance away from where they were.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Is this in comparison to.the Irish navy?

You're in no position to mock Britain's blue water navy.

It is mine and many others belief that the UK is not averse to overreacting/starting a war (witness WMD and The Malvinas) to distract their electorate.