UK Votes to leave EU

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 08:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If NI is stepping out of its 'bounds' those 'bounds' will be defined. Where?

I can't quote the GFA because I'm on a tablet. But if it doesnt espouse both jurisdictions working together on a shared whole island future. Please say it here in black and white and I will take great pleasure tomorrow pointing the clauses out to you.

The bounds established by devolution. No country of the UK may handle foreign affairs or defense.

Does it mandate that all parties work together on Brexit? If not no one is in breach of the GFA.

maryishere · 17-10-2016 08:51PM

First Up wrote: »

And in case you didn't know, the UK imports more than it exports.

I knew that, and it is obvious that sterling was overvalued, and the currency re-alingment since the referendum should encourage the UK to import less and export more.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 08:52PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Of which all citizens of the north are entitled to

The Irish government and the eu is somewhat prudently looking after the rights of a million plus potentialy of its citizens

I do believe history had taught of the south badly for abdaning nationlists in the north from the 1920s on and no way should the state make the same mistake again

Neither should the eu abandon it's million plus potential citizens either....to a region which is very strong at the minute on anti-immigration sentiment

We should look after our citizens if their rights are in danger. But their rights aren't in danger and the rest are not our business.

steddyeddy · 17-10-2016 08:53PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Xenophobic Little Englander

She's not the majority.

First Up · 17-10-2016 08:53PM

maryishere wrote:

I remember some English tourists coming to Ireland in our Celtic tiger years, and being utterly amazed that the landlady of the "mansion" of their B+B said that Europe / EC / EU paid for half of her quite new B+B.

You mean you didn't get the EU to pay for half your house? I thought everyone did that.

Hilarious.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 08:54PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The bounds established by devolution. No country of the UK may handle foreign affairs or defense.

Does it mandate that all parties work together on Brexit? If not no one is in breach of the GFA.

I didn't say anything about breaching the GFA. I said there was ample scope within it for both jurisdictions to work together in areas that affected them.
That is an agreement signed by both the British and Irish govs

So you bull**** bounds don't exist.

tomwaterford · 17-10-2016 08:56PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

We should look after our citizens if their rights are in danger. But their rights aren't in danger and the rest are not our business.

Given the history of the north and the way nationlists were treated after the last time the south left them at it....

No way should a chance to repeat history be allowed
If anything it's an increased role in the north the state should be looking at

Unless you agree with what went down between 1922 and 1969 in the north? ?

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-10-2016 08:58PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Neither should the eu abandon it's million plus potential citizens either

It wouldnt be abandoning them. They voted to leave the EU in a democratic vote. The must respect this decision.

tomwaterford · 17-10-2016 08:59PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It wouldnt be abandoning them. They voted to leave the EU in a democratic vote. The must respect this decision.

Despite a majority of the north voting remain??

They as opposed to rest of the UK will still be entitled to be eu citizens

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-10-2016 09:03PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Despite a majority of the north voting remain??

Most certainly. It was a vote for the UK as a whole, on whether the UK should stay or leave. The country voted to leave. Being part of that country they must leave too - thats democracy. You do not pick and choose this little region or that one to stay or leave individually - why not have a free for all - let each citizen choose to be in the EU or not as they wish - and observe its rules and privileges accordingly. Clearly nonsense.
They could vote to leave the UK. Or to join the Eire. Or to join Scotland if they also left. But that is another story. As it is, they have voted to leave.

tomwaterford · 17-10-2016 09:06PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Most certainly. It was a vote for the UK as a whole, on whether the UK should stay or leave. The country voted to leave. Being part of that country they must leave too - thats democracy. You do not pick and choose this little region or that one - why not have a free for all - let each citizen choose to be in the EU or not as they wish - and observe it rules and privileges accordingly. Clearly nonsense.
They could vote to leave the UK. Or to join the Eire. Or to join Scotland if they also left. But that is another story. As it is, they have voted to leave.

So we have the rather bizarre situation of where everyone born in the north from here out can be a citizen of Eu bespite not being in the eu???

Quite rightly the eu and Ireland should look after its citizens imo

maryishere · 17-10-2016 09:06PM

First Up wrote: »

You mean you didn't get the EU to pay for half your house?

I did or do not have a B+B or get a leader grant. What is beyond dispute are the many billions we got in this country from Germany anf the UK, like the 8 billion our then Taoiseach brought home from Edinburgh in 1992, as widely reported at the time (link given earlier ).

Perhaps if we were not so greedy or wasteful of EC funds then the likes of the UK would not have wanted to leave / stop contributing?

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-10-2016 09:08PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

So we have the rather bizarre situation of where everyone born in the north from here out can be a citizen of Eu bespite not being in the eu???

Quite rightly the eu and Ireland should look after its citizens imo

They would be in the EU. They would be citizens of Eire living abroad. And so as entitled to EU citizenship as any other citizen of the Republic living abroad.

tomwaterford · 17-10-2016 09:09PM

maryishere wrote: »

I did or do not have a B+B or get a leader grant. What is beyond dispute are the many billions we got in this country from Germany anf the UK, like the 8 billion our then Taoiseach brought home from Edinburgh in 1992, as widely reported at the time (link given earlier ).

What is the exact point your trying to raise here???

Your points were readable aren't coherently amounting to anything

First Up · 17-10-2016 09:10PM

maryishere wrote:

I knew that, and it is obvious that sterling was overvalued, and the currency re-alingment since the referendum should encourage the UK to import less and export more.

Yes it should, and as 45% of those exports go to the EU, they better be ready to spend a few more billion to keep access to the single market like they will be doing for services.

And don't forget that a quarter of UK exports are comprised of imported components.

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-10-2016 09:11PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Your points were readable aren't coherently amounting to anything

Your points were readable aren't coherently amounting to anything

tomwaterford · 17-10-2016 09:12PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

They would be in the EU. They would be citizens of Eire living abroad. And so as entitled to EU citizenship as any other citizen of the Republic.

You do the English are trying to pull the north out of the eu??

And it's being discussed the best way to look after the million plus citizens of Ireland that'll be trapped in the north.....unless you want them abandoned like 1922-1969
(That ended badly)

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 09:13PM

maryishere wrote: »

I did or do not have a B+B or get a leader grant. What is beyond dispute are the many billions we got in this country from Germany anf the UK, like the 8 billion our then Taoiseach brought home from Edinburgh in 1992, as widely reported at the time (link given earlier ).

Perhaps if we were not so greedy or wasteful of EC funds then the likes of the UK would not have wanted to leave / stop contributing?

Britain Germany etc KNEW they would contribute, that was the WHOLE point of the project. Ireland knew that it too would become a contributor, do you know anything on the subject you are trying to discuss?

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-10-2016 09:17PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

You do [know] the English are trying to pull the north out of the eu??

They are not trying to pull the north out of the EU. The north voted to leave the EU by majority democratic vote.

First Up · 17-10-2016 09:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote:

Britain Germany etc KNEW they would contribute, that was the WHOLE point of the project. Ireland knew that it too would become a contributor, do you know anything on the subject you are trying to discuss?

We are talking to someone who thinks a busy car park at a Newry shopping centre is an indicator of prosperity.

I really wouldn't bother.

1st dalkey dalkey · 17-10-2016 09:24PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

They are not trying to pull the north out of the EU. The north voted to leave the EU by majority democratic vote.

The UK voted to leave the EU. The 'North' wasn't given a separate vote. Therefore it is not technically correct to say the north voted to leave. Their particular wish was outvoted by the rest of the UK.

I was going to use your initials to address you, but thought the better of it.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 09:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't say anything about breaching the GFA. I said there was ample scope within it for both jurisdictions to work together in areas that affected them.
That is an agreement signed by both the British and Irish govs

So you bull**** bounds don't exist.

But why should they? Brexit is a UK issue. Why would NI hold meetings with a foreign country without the rest of the UK?

1st dalkey dalkey · 17-10-2016 09:29PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

But why should they? Brexit is a UK issue. Why would NI hold meetings with a foreign country without the rest of the UK?

Maybe for the same reason that Ireland might hold a meeting with the UK without the rest of the EU.
Informal, of course. But there is nothing to stop us discussing anything at any time, unofficially.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 09:30PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

But why should they? Brexit is a UK issue. Why would NI hold meeting with a foreign country without the rest of the UK?

Common sense?

It is going to affect this island.
There were no obstacles to everyone sitting down and discussing the impending change except Arlene had to play to the rabble with her hidebound ignorant response.
It seems to have struck a chord with her fans on her though who have tried to invent 'bounds' that don't exist.

And Brexit is an EU issue btw.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 09:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Common sense?

It is going to affect this island.
There were no obstacles to everyone sitting down and discussing the impending change except Arlene had to play to the rabble with her hidebound ignorant response.
It seems to have struck a chord with her fans on her though who have tried to invent 'bounds' that don't exist.

It's going to affect this archipelago. Why would you leave the rest of the UK out of these meetings?

Fratton Fred · 17-10-2016 09:31PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

She's not the majority.

Apologies. Maybe Francie was referring toothed 850,000 Welsh that voted to leave, maybe they're the xenophobic little Englanders?

It maybe Francie just likes making sweeping generalisations about a foreign country?

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 09:32PM

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

Maybe for the same reason that Ireland might hold a meeting with the UK without the rest of the EU.
Informal, of course. But there is nothing to stop us discussing anything at any time, unofficially.

Well then there's no reason why they can't discuss this directly with the UK government. Unofficially.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 09:36PM

The

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's going to affect this archipelago. Why would you leave the rest of the UK out of these meetings?

The rest of the UK are welcome.
Why wouldn't you discuss common interests with a neighbour?

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 09:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The

The rest of the UK are welcome.
Why wouldn't you discuss common interests with a neighbour?

Why wouldn't you? You want to invite NI to meetings without the rest of the UK.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 09:42PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why wouldn't you? You want to invite NI to meetings without the rest of the UK.

Where did I say that?

If the rest of the UK are interested in the affect of their decision on this island they are welcome.

The DUP are the ones who are refusing an all island discussion.

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