UK Votes to leave EU

First Up · 17-10-2016 04:02PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

They wouldn't be independent if they joined the EU. That is the big LIE from the SNP.

They would be independent from England and Wales.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 04:05PM

First Up wrote: »

They would be independent from England and Wales.

Somebody doesn't realise that when you are a member of the EU it is you who are part of making it's laws and policy and in return you get all the benefits.
It is swings and roundabouts and there are many things wrong with it, but to suggest you are being ruled in some way is just wrong.

catbear · 17-10-2016 04:06PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

They wouldn't be independent if they joined the EU. That is the big LIE from the SNP.

There's independent like North Korea and there's independent as a member of a voluntary trade bloc.

Now England and Wales want to go the North Korea route and Scotland wants to go the other route.

In your mind independence could mean zero gravity too but its all relative.

A Little Pony · 17-10-2016 04:07PM

catbear wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

They wouldn't be independent if they joined the EU. That is the big LIE from the SNP.

There's independent like North Korea and there's independent as a member of a voluntary trade bloc.

Now England and Wales want to go the North Korea route and Scotland wants to go the other route.

In your mind independence could mean zero gravity too but its all relative.

The EU dictates laws upon its members. The fact that the Great repeal act has to be done is a disgrace in the first place.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 04:09PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The EU dictates laws upon its members. The fact that the Great repeal act has to be done is a disgrace in the first place.

The 'members' make the law.

catbear · 17-10-2016 04:10PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The EU dictates laws upon its members. The fact that the Great repeal act has to be done is a disgrace in the first place.

The laws that the UK are going to make into UK law!

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

This place has gotten way too sticky from the amount of jerking off.

Nate--IRL-- · 17-10-2016 04:10PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The EU dictates laws upon its members. The fact that the Great repeal act has to be done is a disgrace in the first place.

How can it not be done?

Nate

A Little Pony · 17-10-2016 04:16PM

catbear wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

The EU dictates laws upon its members. The fact that the Great repeal act has to be done is a disgrace in the first place.

The laws that the UK are going to make into UK law!

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

This place has gotten way too sticky from the amount of jerking off.

Made by the UK Parliament which was my point. Why Parliament accepted that loss of sovereignty in the first place is baffling.

17-10-2016 04:18PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Made by the UK Parliament which was my point. Why Parliament accepted that loss of sovereignty in the first place is baffling.

Have you never in your life allowed another a say in making a group decision that impacts them also?

steddyeddy · 17-10-2016 04:20PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

To annoy Republicans..

No part of the UK could go it alone economically besides England. Just too small compared to being together as one Union.

But now, thanks to the Brexitiers, the UK's cost of borrowing has risen dramatically.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/oct/17/pound-under-pressure-brexit-fears-economy-business-live?client=ms-android-samsung

First Up · 17-10-2016 04:23PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The EU dictates laws upon its members. The fact that the Great repeal act has to be done is a disgrace in the first place.

The EU is its members.

indioblack · 17-10-2016 06:10PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Made by the UK Parliament which was my point. Why Parliament accepted that loss of sovereignty in the first place is baffling.

Fear.
The thinking that if they didn't join the EEC, [at the second time of asking], they would slide further down the scale of international importance.
Now we are to take a chance outside of the EU - time will tell if it's a risk worth taking.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-10-2016 06:25PM

robindch wrote: »

Can anybody remember if the Scots have access to any expensive natural resources?

Whiskey
nearly £4Bn - that's half the UK nett contribution to the EU right there

Renewable energy

Tourism

Leasing of Submarine bases

Services may be more important in the future.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 06:28PM

The insular get even more insular.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37680584

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 06:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The insular get even more insular.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37680584

Ironic choice of words from a republican.

Fratton Fred · 17-10-2016 06:31PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

But now, thanks to the Brexitiers, the UK's cost of borrowing has risen dramatically.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/oct/17/pound-under-pressure-brexit-fears-economy-business-live?client=ms-android-samsung

up 0.1% to 1.2%?

You should stick to science

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 06:40PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Ironic choice of words from a republican.

You guys need to get out more.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 06:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You guys need to get out more.

You need to see beyond your little province.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 06:54PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You need to see beyond your little province.

If they could stop pretending that they are English shopkeepers (or whatever the bowlers are about) for 5 minutes and sit down on an all island basis and try and figure a way out of this mess they might be seen as responsible.
But, no. They go further into the bitter, it's our ball, shell.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 07:01PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If they could stop pretending that they are English shopkeepers (or whatever the bowlers are about) for 5 minutes and sit down on an all island basis and try and figure a way out of this mess they might be seen as responsible.
But, no. They go further into the bitter, it's our ball, shell.

If the Irish government want to talk about the United Kingdom leaving the EU the correct channel is through the UK government.

It's ironic a person from Ireland a mono ethnic state calling the UK, a multi ethnic state, insular.*

*Especially ironic since both states are located on an archipelago!

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 07:08PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If the Irish government want to talk about the United Kingdom leaving the EU the correct channel is through the UK government.

It's ironic a person from Ireland a mono ethnic state calling the UK, a multi ethnic state, insular.

The DUP can't countenance looking across the border and discuss the implications of an oncoming train that isn't going to discriminate on the economic waste it lays and you are calling those pleading for a strategy, more insular?

Beggars belief that one.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 07:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The DUP can't countenance looking across the border and discuss the implications of an oncoming train that isn't going to discriminate on the economic waste it lays and you are calling those pleading for a strategy, more insular?

Beggars belief that one.

As I said, if the Irish government want to discuss the implications of UK leaving the EU on their state the correct channel is through the UK government.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 07:18PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

As I said, if the Irish government want to discuss the implications of UK leaving the EU on their state the correct channel is through the UK government.

As usual, if it something progressive, your lot will be brought to the table and modernity, kicking and screaming.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 07:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As usual, if it something progressive, your lot will be brought to the table and modernity, kicking and screaming.

This isn't progressive.

catbear · 17-10-2016 07:23PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If the Irish government want to talk about the United Kingdom leaving the EU the correct channel is through the UK government.

The correct channel is through Brussels.

It's a actual godsend that we don't have to humour the Brits anymore for peace sake.

As Maggy said "out, out, out"

We're chewing on a biscuit muttering "the sooner the better."

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 07:26PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

This isn't progressive.

Discussing the implications of what it means for NI not to be in the EU isn't progressive?
Even Arlene was sensible enough to stop digging and look for special treatment.

The rest of us will have to deal with the mess, while the DUP remain true to 1690 I suppose.

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-10-2016 07:27PM

indioblack wrote: »

Fear.
The thinking that if they didn't join the EEC, [at the second time of asking], they would slide further down the scale of international importance.
Now we are to take a chance outside of the EU - time will tell if it's a risk worth taking.

A nine member EEC was an entirely different entity to the 28 member EU it is today. It never full bought into any of the evolutions, and probably always hankered after EEC Lite. As integration developed it lost more and more control. No Britain has decided enough is enough, and that it is time to take back control. Exiting is not a risk - it is a clear choice determining your future, and considering aspects of nationhood, culture, society, and democracy, beyond simple economics and pounds in the wallet.

1st dalkey dalkey · 17-10-2016 07:30PM

"As I said, if the Irish government want to discuss the implications of UK leaving the EU on their state the correct channel is through the UK government."
Actually, that is not quite correct. Discussion on the post Brexit position cannot take place until after Sec. 50 is invoked. Even then it will be done by the EU, not the Irish government.
As a member of the EU, we are precluded from doing individual deals with non members.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 07:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Discussing the implications of what it means for NI not to be in the EU isn't progressive?
Even Arlene was sensible enough to stop digging and look for special treatment.

The rest of us will have to deal with the mess, while the DUP remain true to 1690 I suppose.

Discussing the implications of the UK leaving the EU is of course a sensible thing to do. But these discussions can, as I've said, take place through the appropriate channels with the United Kingdom government.

Iwasfrozen · 17-10-2016 07:36PM

1st dalkey dalkey wrote: »

"As I said, if the Irish government want to discuss the implications of UK leaving the EU on their state the correct channel is through the UK government."
Actually, that is not quite correct. Discussion on the post Brexit position cannot take place until after Sec. 50 is invoked. Even then it will be done by the EU, not the Irish government.
As a member of the EU, we are precluded from doing individual deals with non members.

Actually that's not quiet correct. The EU cannot hold official talks with the UK until article 50 is activated.

The EU could hold unofficial talks with the UK right now but choose not to.

There is nothing stopping Ireland holding unofficial talks with the UK whenever they want on any subject they want.

UK Votes to leave EU

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