UK Votes to leave EU

RasTa · 17-10-2016 09:42AM

Doom and gloom here

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/16/irish-pm-calls-brexit-summit-to-confront-looming-crisis

“If Britain avails of its exit from the single market to reintroduce subsidies to British food production, as was the case before the common market, this would cause serious damage to the Irish food industry and would probably necessitate retaliation by Europe,” he said. “Anti-dumping measures are part of the armoury of the EU and they have been used before and could be again.”

steddyeddy · 17-10-2016 09:49AM

RasTa wrote: »

Doom and gloom here

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/16/irish-pm-calls-brexit-summit-to-confront-looming-crisis

Yep. No doubt Ireland will suffer too.

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-10-2016 09:54AM

maryishere wrote: »

Actually friends I have up there are saying business is thriving since the Brexit referendum. I'd say some of the shops and hotels south of the border are feeling a reduction in business all right.

Ahhh, these 'friends' come out for another showing on boards

wes · 17-10-2016 10:07AM

Brexit voter launches petition to make support for remaining in EU a crime

So much for democracy? Shows the prevailing extremism among some Brexiters. There getting nuttier and nuttier.

I reckon next, they will want to ban anyone talking about the pound taking a swan dive off a cliff.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 10:15AM

Was listening to a discussion on the Weekly Politics last night on the implications for the UK not being in the Single Aviation Market and how the head of the Irish company City Jet sees it.
It is just flabbergasting that any politician would propose messing with the gains and benefits membership of this has brought to these islands.

Boom_Bap · 17-10-2016 10:18AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Where was the insult?

Don't be so sensitive, it's After Hours not North Korea.

Can you please stick to the topic rather than talking about other users.
Cheers.

catbear · 17-10-2016 10:37AM

Brexiter arguments are like those jumping bunny's games where you have to keep smacking them down with a mallet.

Its fun and invigorating for a while but eventually it gets tiresome and then other games start to look like more fun.

CMOTDibbler · 17-10-2016 11:21AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yep. No doubt Ireland will suffer too.

There was an article in The Guardian the other day that mentioned a mushroom farm in Tipperary closing with the loss of 75 jobs because they couldn't absorb the drop in sterling.

This will affect a lot of small exporters who price their UK sales in sterling. Over time, the cost will start to be borne by the importers, but in the short term it will hurt our exporters.

wes · 17-10-2016 11:28AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

There was an article in The Guardian the other day that mentioned a mushroom farm in Tipperary closing with the loss of 75 jobs because they couldn't absorb the drop in sterling.

It is to me stunning, that there are Irish people who are effectively supporting job losses in Ireland for there own bizarre ideological reasons. No amount of suffering or economic damage matters. All that matters is there ideology. Its chilling to see such ideological fervor.

Fratton Fred · 17-10-2016 12:04PM

wes wrote: »

Brexit voter launches petition to make support for remaining in EU a crime

So much for democracy? Shows the prevailing extremism among some Brexiters. There getting nuttier and nuttier.

I reckon next, they will want to ban anyone talking about the pound taking a swan dive off a cliff.

and it has received a massive 405 votes. Just a mere 11,000 behind the petition to make the Robin the UK's national bird.

steddyeddy · 17-10-2016 12:06PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

There was an article in The Guardian the other day that mentioned a mushroom farm in Tipperary closing with the loss of 75 jobs because they couldn't absorb the drop in sterling.

This will affect a lot of small exporters who price their UK sales in sterling. Over time, the cost will start to be borne by the importers, but in the short term it will hurt our exporters.

Yea bigtime. Look to the northern part of the Ireland for the real pain though.

wes · 17-10-2016 12:20PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

and it has received a massive 405 votes. Just a mere 11,000 behind the petition to make the Robin the UK's national bird.

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/787970515407437824

Its by Tory Councillor and already being talked about at No 10.

Fratton Fred · 17-10-2016 12:27PM

wes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/787970515407437824

Its by Tory Councillor and already being talked about at No 10.

he is currently a Tory Councillor.

However, as Guildford voted 44,000 to remain, 34,000 to leave, he probably won't be a Tory Councillor much longer.

You should read the entire Twitter thread, then come back and tell us how popular this petition is.

catbear · 17-10-2016 12:30PM

wes wrote: »

It is to me stunning, that there are Irish people who are effectively supporting job losses in Ireland for there own bizarre ideological reasons. No amount of suffering or economic damage matters. All that matters is there ideology. Its chilling to see such ideological fervor.

Ever here of cutting your losses? When people questioned if we were building more houses than here was a demand for they were accused of talking the economy down, bertie said he didi't understand why people who talked like didn't go out and hang themselves.

So we lose some business but we stand to gain a lot more. Bigger thinking.

There'll be fields and fields and fields of opportunity for UK Leave voters to pick their living from once all the nasty furriers are gone.

A Little Pony · 17-10-2016 12:34PM

Blazer wrote: »

Who actually thinks the Scots will vote for Independence?
Every scot I know has said they're staying with the UK as they're part of it.
They might not like the the way the vote went but at the end of the day they all say, we're part of the UK and we want it to stay that way.
All the papers have been repeating Sturgeon's point of view but no one from the opposite view.

Its a pipe dream. The Scottish economy is a mess. They can not go alone.

catbear · 17-10-2016 12:42PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its a pipe dream. The Scottish economy is a mess. They can not go alone.

Why is it that Ireland did and could in adverse circumstances but Scotland can't when there's actually access on offer to a union many times bigger than the one it's currently in.

robindch · 17-10-2016 01:24PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The Scottish economy is a mess.

Can anybody remember if the Scots have access to any expensive natural resources?

CMOTDibbler · 17-10-2016 01:46PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its a pipe dream. The Scottish economy is a mess. They can not go alone.

Their economy is not a mess. It is based on a lot of FDI and services, but being 12th largest economy in the EU has to mean something surely?

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-10-2016 02:11PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its a pipe dream. The Scottish economy is a mess. They can not go alone.

Scotland is too wee to go it alone? and is the only country to get poorer after the discovery of vast swathes of natural resources? If Scotland is such a drain, why the battle to keep it in a union with England?

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 02:16PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Scotland is too wee to go it alone? and is the only country to get poorer after the discovery of vast swathes of natural resources? If Scotland is such a drain, why the battle to keep it in a union with England?

The familiar cry of the Union slaves. 'De Economy!' and then in the next breath, 'it's not all about the money'.

whatstherush · 17-10-2016 02:26PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

he is currently a Tory Councillor.

However, as Guildford voted 44,000 to remain, 34,000 to leave, he probably won't be a Tory Councillor much longer.

You should read the entire Twitter thread, then come back and tell us how popular this petition is.

Its the extreme end of the Brexiteer narrative begun since the latest slide in the pound. ie. To question brexit you're an
unpatriotic traitor.

beach_walker · 17-10-2016 02:32PM

Blazer wrote: »

Who actually thinks the Scots will vote for Independence?

The Scottish independence saga has been very funny though.

2014: You have the SNP and others shouting about the potential benefits of leaving a union, asking people to ignore the uncertainties around what would follow, very vague monetary projections (shown since to be lunacy) and making an emotional appeal to a sense of nationhood. And the Unionists crowing about economic realities, "better together" etc.

2016: Everybody swap seats

A lot depends on what form the Brexit deal takes but personally (living here a few years now) I don't see the Scots leaving the UK.

First Up · 17-10-2016 02:42PM

beach_walker wrote:

2016: Everybody swap seats

I have pointed out that dichtomy to some SNP acquaintances. They didn't take it well.

GreenFolder2 · 17-10-2016 03:11PM

wes wrote: »

It is to me stunning, that there are Irish people who are effectively supporting job losses in Ireland for there own bizarre ideological reasons. No amount of suffering or economic damage matters. All that matters is there ideology. Its chilling to see such ideological fervor.

Whatever way we cut it, we have massive job losses possible.

Sterling goes through the floor : You've problems for small exporters who are UK reliant and service providers who sell into the UK.

If we leave the EU, you've got a situation where all the FDI could disappear and larger Irish exporters would be in serious trouble.

It's not ideology - it's pragmatism. At present, staying in the EU is less problematic.

If we left we would also be reliant on the UK being friendly. That hasn't always been the case and they could quite easily cut us lose and throw us under the nearest bus if we happen to compete with them for FDI or business generally.
With the EU, we have a defined, legal relationship.

We are FAR better to play this with caution.

FrancieBrady · 17-10-2016 03:14PM

First Up wrote: »

I have pointed out that dichtomy to some SNP acquaintances. They didn't take it well.

I struggled, I have to tell ya, with this dichotomy you speak of for a while, then I guessed it...the word 'Union'. Did I get it right? :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred · 17-10-2016 03:30PM

whatstherush wrote: »

Its the extreme end of the Brexiteer narrative begun since the latest slide in the pound. ie. To question brexit you're an
unpatriotic traitor.

that's one of the problems with democracy and free speech, even the loons get a voice.

A Little Pony · 17-10-2016 03:44PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its a pipe dream. The Scottish economy is a mess. They can not go alone.

Scotland is too wee to go it alone? and is the only country to get poorer after the discovery of vast swathes of natural resources? If Scotland is such a drain, why the battle to keep it in a union with England?

To annoy Republicans..

No part of the UK could go it alone economically besides England. Just too small compared to being together as one Union.

CMOTDibbler · 17-10-2016 03:45PM

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

Whatever way we cut it, we have massive job losses possible.

Sterling goes through the floor : You've problems for small exporters who are UK reliant and service providers who sell into the UK.

If we leave the EU, you've got a situation where all the FDI could disappear and larger Irish exporters would be in serious trouble.

It's not ideology - it's pragmatism. At present, staying in the EU is less problematic.

If we left we would also be reliant on the UK being friendly. That hasn't always been the case and they could quite easily cut us lose and throw us under the nearest bus if we happen to compete with them for FDI or business generally.
With the EU, we have a defined, legal relationship.

We are FAR better to play this with caution.

The pain for the small exporter is short term though. The pressure to accept price hikes from EU suppliers will become irresistible in the longer term and the government here needs to get the assistance packages out asap to cover that short term gap.

Hopefully there will be minimal job losses and some gains in the longer term. But these next few months are going to be tough.

catbear · 17-10-2016 03:46PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

To annoy Republicans..

No part of the UK could go it alone economically besides England. Just too small compared to being together as one Union.

They wouldn't be going it "alone" if they're rejoining the EU.

Leave the UK on a Friday, start EU accession on a monday over a deep fried mars bar and a bovril.

A Little Pony · 17-10-2016 03:49PM

catbear wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

To annoy Republicans..

No part of the UK could go it alone economically besides England. Just too small compared to being together as one Union.

They wouldn't be going it "alone" if they're rejoining the EU.

Leave the UK on a Friday, start EU accession on a monday over a deep fried mars bar and a bovril.

They wouldn't be independent if they joined the EU. That is the big LIE from the SNP.

UK Votes to leave EU

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