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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    So men are not to explain anything (mansplaining) to a woman or to interrupt (manterrupt) a woman now. Wasn't that exactly what women faced about 100 years ago. Now they want to put men in the same position. Its all very misandrist. Where is this going.

    thankfully its restricted to the ivory safespace of a gender studies department, when these cookies get their first minimum wage job there will be plenty of mansplaining and manterrupting :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    silverharp wrote: »
    thankfully its restricted to the ivory safespace of a gender studies department, when these cookies get their first minimum wage job there will be plenty of mansplaining and manterrupting :pac:

    :D:D:D

    In all fairness any company (outside of some sot of feminist org) would be mad to hire someone with a gender studies or equivalent qualification. I would imagine you would spend your time being preached to and being terrified of leaving yourself open to any possible litigation or accusations, walking on eggshells. It wouldn't make for a good environment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,707 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Yup, any CV with the word "gender" on it that isn't followed immediately by a colon and the word "Male" or "Female" would be going in the bin. And even then, tbh, I'd wonder why it was included...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Connacht2KXX


    irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/lord-protect-me-from-easily-offended-snowflake-girls-1.2822570


    At least the IT is putting up some bit of a pushback. The comments on their facebook page were both hilarious yet depressing...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    :D:D:D

    In all fairness any company (outside of some sot of feminist org) would be mad to hire someone with a gender studies or equivalent qualification. I would imagine you would spend your time being preached to and being terrified of leaving yourself open to any possible litigation or accusations, walking on eggshells. It wouldn't make for a good environment.

    You would be very surprised. I know a couple of large companies who are going down this exact route. "Fast track management training for women only" and active recruitment of mainly women to 'redress the balance' are 2 that I have personally seen and were driven by just such women in senior HR roles.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/lord-protect-me-from-easily-offended-snowflake-girls-1.2822570


    At least the IT is putting up some bit of a pushback. The comments on their facebook page were both hilarious yet depressing...

    Whatever about the other words. You don't get the title 'drama queen' or 'high maintenance' for nothing. Very easily avoided terms if you decide to not be either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    maybe
    I know we covered women using misogynistic language previously, but here's an article about a new study which shows that they are more likely to use misogynistic language on twitter.

    The article also references British police plans to lump in misogyny as a hate crime. So if that does occur then it's more likely that women who tweet offensively will be charged, no? :rolleyes:

    I wouldn't hold my breath though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I know we covered women using misogynistic language previously, but here's an article about a new study which shows that they are more likely to use misogynistic language on twitter.

    The article also references British police plans to lump in misogyny as a hate crime. So if that does occur then it's more likely that women who tweet offensively will be charged, no? :rolleyes:

    I wouldn't hold my breath though.

    I'd highly doubt it to be honest.
    Sure it'll only be misogyny when it's a man doing it. A but like the 'black people can't be racist' narrative that gets peddled about.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    I know we covered women using misogynistic language previously, but here's an article about a new study which shows that they are more likely to use misogynistic language on twitter.

    My primary school, was like most people's primary schools in Ireland (I think) in that they were all gender segregated. It wasn't overly religious or anything but we were very much taught that we should be respectful around girls. Both physically, not be so boisterous, and how we engaged with them, not shout at them or speak vulgarly to them. The girls school was joined to ours though and so we would line up close to one another and meet in the hall ways etc and so all that time, right up to 6th class (so from age 4 to 13ish) that's how it was.

    Then I went to secondary school. Mixed secondary school, and boy was I (and everyone else I went to school with) in for a surprise. The first week or so everyone was on their best behaviour, but shortly after that (and for the next five years) I sat in class, often next to, girls from hell!!! They would lie about each other, cause fights, spit at one another, pull each others hair, call each other sluts, fart, belch, stink, talk about boyband members, what they wanted to do to 'em, what they let them do to them... and my school was a decent respectable community college :confused:

    The illusion was over for me, quick time and it was much earlier for those lads who had a lot of sisters. I always found that lads that went to the brothers, that had no sisters, always had tended to put girls on a pedestal a lot more than those of us that knew different. Sometimes when I look around at society and grown men are overly protective of women or are speaking about them in a way that you'd swear they were angels, I do wonder what, if any, interactions they have had with the opposite sex, cause it can't have been much.

    Even after I left school and for the next twenty years now, 90% of the time it was other women that I heard shaming women for their overtly sexual behavior or whatever. I think, by and large, men are much more easy going, to the point of not giving a fcuk, about what women (not in their field of vision at least) are getting up to. So yeah, no surprise on that finding for me anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,679 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    but here's an article about a new study which shows that they are more likely to use misogynistic language on twitter.

    that's hardy news is it?, twitter is nothing but trollish vitriol 90% of the time anyway


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    I know we covered women using misogynistic language previously, but here's an article about a new study which shows that they are more likely to use misogynistic language on twitter.

    The article also references British police plans to lump in misogyny as a hate crime. So if that does occur then it's more likely that women who tweet offensively will be charged, no? :rolleyes:

    I wouldn't hold my breath though.

    The problem with that study is that a good number of twitter users are men parading as women. A better study would be a place like boards where a posting history is more revealing. Also, they included words like bitch even when that word has lost a lot of its meaning.
    Then I went to secondary school. Mixed secondary school, and boy was I (and everyone else I went to school with) in for a surprise. The first week or so everyone was on their best behaviour, but shortly after that (and for the next five years) I sat in class, often next to, girls from hell!!! They would lie about each other, cause fights, spit at one another, pull each others hair, call each other sluts, fart, belch, stink, talk about boyband members, what they wanted to do to 'em, what they let them do to them... and my school was a decent respectable community college :confused:

    Was this respectable community college a barnyard? Because I went to "mixed" schools my whole life (single sex schools are so rare in my hometown area we just called them schools) and none of the girls ever behaved this way. Some of the boys did, but even then what you mentioned would be extreme behavior. I mean, farting? That's just pig behavior and I doubt even a group of young men think farting in public is funny.

    Even after I left school and for the next twenty years now, 90% of the time it was other women that I heard shaming women for their overtly sexual behavior or whatever. I think, by and large, men are much more easy going, to the point of not giving a fcuk, about what women (not in their field of vision at least) are getting up to. So yeah, no surprise on that finding for me anyway.

    If you'd like I could dig up an after hours thread where a woman wrote into an Irish newspaper asking for advice after cheating on her partner and finding herself pregnant by the other man. The men in there gave a lot of "fcuks" and words like slut and whore were definitely in the conversation. This was a woman they didn't even know-- in fact, the woman didn't exist and it was a made up scenario to get gullible morons into a frenzy over paternity fraud. So yeah, I'd say men definitely care what women are up to and you don't notice it because of a whoppin' case of confirmation bias and willful ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    NI24 wrote: »
    The problem with that study is that a good number of twitter users are men parading as women. A better study would be a place like boards where a posting history is more revealing. Also, they included words like bitch even when that word has lost a lot of its meaning.


    Was this respectable community college a barnyard? Because I went to "mixed" schools my whole life (single sex schools are so rare in my hometown area we just called them schools) and none of the girls ever behaved this way. Some of the boys did, but even then what you mentioned would be extreme behavior. I mean, farting? That's just pig behavior and I doubt even a group of young men think farting in public is funny.




    If you'd like I could dig up an after hours thread where a woman wrote into an Irish newspaper asking for advice after cheating on her partner and finding herself pregnant by the other man. The men in there gave a lot of "fcuks" and words like slut and whore were definitely in the conversation. This was a woman they didn't even know-- in fact, the woman didn't exist and it was a made up scenario to get gullible morons into a frenzy over paternity fraud. So yeah, I'd say men definitely care what women are up to and you don't notice it because of a whoppin' case of confirmation bias and willful ignorance.

    Well I must say that is some world class mental gymnastics right there. So a study is released finding that more women than men abuse other women online and your response is that they are actually men pretending to be women. You really couldn't make up this stuff :)

    In the case you mention the uproar was more to do with the advice given in the article to just keep stum and let the poor sap of a boyfriend believe it was his and bring it up. Paternity fraud is a disgusting thing to do and needs to be penalised heavily when found to have taken place.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    NI24 wrote: »

    If you'd like I could dig up an after hours thread where a woman wrote into an Irish newspaper asking for advice after cheating on her partner and finding herself pregnant by the other man. The men in there gave a lot of "fcuks" and words like slut and whore were definitely in the conversation. This was a woman they didn't even know-- in fact, the woman didn't exist and it was a made up scenario to get gullible morons into a frenzy over paternity fraud. So yeah, I'd say men definitely care what women are up to and you don't notice it because of a whoppin' case of confirmation bias and willful ignorance.

    I'd imagine on average that women "police" other women's behaviour more than men do , the above situation real or not is a more unusual example where a woman's behaviour would directly affect a man, and anything to do with pregnancy deception is going to peek interest just a tad.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    silverharp wrote: »
    I'd imagine on average that women "police" other women's behaviour more than men do , the above situation real or not is a more unusual example where a woman's behaviour would directly affect a man, and anything to do with pregnancy deception is going to peek interest just a tad.

    man/woman/child , no matter who's saying it, any nasty words are perfectly above board for anyone thinking of committing paternity fraud. Its a damaging form of deception that could very well end two lives if it was revealed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    man/woman/child , no matter who's saying it, any nasty words are perfectly above board for anyone thinking of committing paternity fraud. Its a damaging form of deception that could very well end two lives if it was revealed.

    for sure, pretty much society was geared around making it a huge taboo

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    JRant wrote: »
    Well I must say that is some world class mental gymnastics right there. So a study is released finding that more women than men abuse other women online and your response is that they are actually men pretending to be women. You really couldn't make up this stuff :)

    You haven't been on twitter much have you? A huge portion are novelty accounts and yeah, without any hesitation I can say that almost all those novelty accounts are men, well actually teenage boys and they are trolling. And I guess you missed the part about including the word bitch huh? Big difference between calling a woman a bitch and saying I'm going out with my bitches tonight yet the latter gets counted as misogynistic language. It was an (admittedly) weak study.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    NI24 wrote: »
    You haven't been on twitter much have you? A huge portion are novelty accounts and yeah, without any hesitation I can say that almost all those novelty accounts are men, well actually teenage boys and they are trolling. And I guess you missed the part about including the word bitch huh? Big difference between calling a woman a bitch and saying I'm going out with my bitches tonight yet the latter gets counted as misogynistic language. It was an (admittedly) weak study.

    How can you prove that ? bit of a sweeping generalisation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    NI24 wrote: »
    You haven't been on twitter much have you? A huge portion are novelty accounts and yeah, without any hesitation I can say that almost all those novelty accounts are men, well actually teenage boys and they are trolling. And I guess you missed the part about including the word bitch huh? Big difference between calling a woman a bitch and saying I'm going out with my bitches tonight yet the latter gets counted as misogynistic language. It was an (admittedly) weak study.

    Absolutely magic.

    You honestly believe what you wrote there and that's the scary part. Just goes to show how far down the rabbit hole some folk have gone. You could twist any study portraying women in a less than glorious light using such logic and blame it on men.

    Sure you just can't lose with a mindset like that.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    How can you prove that ? bit of a sweeping generalisation.

    They can't but if the gender studies brigade has taught us anything it's that men are to blame for everything.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    silverharp wrote: »
    I'd imagine on average that women "police" other women's behaviour more than men do , the above situation real or not is a more unusual example where a woman's behaviour would directly affect a man, and anything to do with pregnancy deception is going to peek interest just a tad.

    Outlaw Pete made a ridiculous statement about how 90% of comments regarding women's overtly sexual behavior came from other women. Of all the things to claim, the idea that men only contribute 10% of the running social commentary of women's sexual behavior is such a falsehood it's laughable. In fact, it's one of the few things where men contribute just as much if not more than women.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    man/woman/child , no matter who's saying it, any nasty words are perfectly above board for anyone thinking of committing paternity fraud. Its a damaging form of deception that could very well end two lives if it was revealed.

    And yet, no names for married men who impregnate women. And no, bastard doesn't count. I'm talking names specifically geared towards a man's sexual behavior.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    NI24 wrote: »
    Outlaw Pete made a ridiculous statement about how 90% of comments regarding women's overtly sexual behavior came from other women. Of all the things to claim, the idea that men only contribute 10% of the running social commentary of women's sexual behavior is such a falsehood it's laughable. In fact, it's one of the few things where men contribute just as much if not more than women.

    What would the other "few" things that men contribute be?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    How can you prove that ? bit of a sweeping generalisation.

    Because men and women have different writing styles and studies have backed this up. I can predict the sex of most boards members with almost 100% certainty not by the subject matter, but by how it's written.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    NI24 wrote: »
    And yet, no names for married men who impregnate women. And no, bastard doesn't count. I'm talking names specifically geared towards a man's sexual behavior.

    How about Daddy, Dad, Da or the old fashioned father?
    They're all words used.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    JRant wrote: »
    What would the other "few" things that men contribute be?

    The way women dress (too revealing, not revealing enough) . How "ladylike" they are in manners, etc. As if it's so unusual for men to comment on other people's lifestyle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    JRant wrote: »
    How about Daddy, Dad, Da or the old fashioned father?
    They're all words used.

    Clearly I meant women who aren't their wives. But if that's the best you can do, then you really don't have an argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    NI24 wrote: »
    Clearly I meant women who aren't their wives. But if that's the best you can do, then you really don't have an argument.

    Well clearly I can't read your mind. Say what you mean.

    What exactly has a married man having a child with someone else got to do with paternity fraud?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭NI24


    JRant wrote: »
    Well clearly I can't read your mind. Say what you mean.

    What exactly has a married man having a child with someone else got to do with paternity fraud?

    Seriously if you can't see the connection between a man fathering an illegitimate child and a woman mothering an illegitimate child then I can't help you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    NI24 wrote: »
    then I can't help you.

    This seems to be your arguement for everything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,645 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    maybe
    Let's get back to sexism against men please. We seem to have veered somewhat off-topic.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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