UK Votes to leave EU

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 11:35PM

maryishere wrote: »

Whataboutaderry. Now answer the question. If the PIRA cared so much for innocent life, why did they plant bombs in Shopping Malls on busy Saturday afternoons?

To spread terror. Same thing most armies do. Do you think Afghan or Vietnam mothers look up and say, 'oh we are fair game because that is an 'army'?

War/conflict is an aberration that generally happens when governance fails.

To get back on topic, the EU emerged out of two world wars that happened in Europe. The British now want out of that alliance, would you worry about stability in Europe at all?

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 11:37PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

To spread terror. Same thing most armies do. Do you think Afghan or Vietnam mothers look up and say, 'oh we are fair game because that is an 'army'?

War/conflict is an aberration that generally happens when governance fails.

To get back on topic, the EU emerged out of two world wars that happened in Europe. The British now want out of that alliance, would you worry about stability in Europe at all?

Suddenly we should get back in topic?

catbear · 15-10-2016 11:40PM

The imperialist definition of a terrorist is the one with the smaller arsenal.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 11:41PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So they were terrorists then?

Lordy Fred, if it gets you off, yes they are terrorists, all armies are. To subjugate/control you have to threaten/terrorise. Remember the threats of Stormin' Norman etc.
A foreign army are terrorists by definition and I fully understand that to you the IRA were foreign. But the BA were and are foreign to me and a considerable amount of Irish people.
The term is moot.

Enzokk · 15-10-2016 11:42PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

British Colonialism was fine because it civilized places which needed it.

Yes, that is why the Empire was established, to civilize the savages. The riches was a small by-product of the said activities. You do realize they had to build the infrastructure once they decided to stay and liberate the locals of their land and resources. How else were they going to get the resources back to the motherland?

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

OK, well not quite yet, but imminently, following the triggering of article 50 and the conclusion of the separation. At the moment, yes, it is still fully subject to common EU law, but will go through the legal process of transfering them to UK law and be able to dismantle such local laws as it sees fit. In the past, it couldnt do that. That is lack of control. It will shortly truly take back control.

I haven't really seen anyone explain which laws would be repealed and what regulations should be reversed. We do get the generic, we will take back our laws, but no-one has actually been able to explain what laws these will be.

130Kph · 15-10-2016 11:47PM

Hull = Pyongyang after brexit.

Me sad no one want talk about dis.

Dey want talk about rag tag bad movie plot instead.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 11:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Lordy Fred, if it gets you off, yes they are terrorists, all armies are.

All armies are? Do you think the Irish Army are terrorists too? So all Irish taxpayers are funding terrorists? I do not think so.

I think you need to rethink your definition of what terrorists are.

Terrorists are not the legitimate armies of democratic countries, and which act within the law.

Terrorists are people who are not the army of a democratically elected state, and which do not obey the geneva convention.

You really have been badly indoctrinated, poor you. You do not recognise the Irish government or the Irish army as being legitimate - they are terrorists - but of course your Republican paramilitaries like the PIRA had the high moral ground, and were grand lads. Poor you.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 11:49PM

Enzokk wrote: »

I haven't really seen anyone explain which laws would be repealed and what regulations should be reversed. We do get the generic, we will take back our laws, but no-one has actually been able to explain what laws these will be.

Bananas is the most we have got. With lots of myth making about the British going it alone again. When the facts are they have rarely if ever done that.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 11:54PM

maryishere wrote: »

All armies are? Do the Irish Army are terrorists too?

I think you need to rethink your definition of what terrorists are.

Terrorists are not the legitimate armies of democratic countries, and which act within the law.

Terrorists are people who are not the army of a democratically elected state, and which do not obey the geneva convention.

The British army are not my army. Anything they do on this island is not therefore legitimate and they have been doing stuff for centuries.

Did we get rid of them legitimately on one part in your opinion?

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 11:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bananas is the most we have got. With lots of myth making about the British going it alone again. When the facts are they have rarely if ever done that.

You do realise I was joking, don't you?

Enzokk · 15-10-2016 11:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bananas is the most we have got. With lots of myth making about the British going it alone again. When the facts are they have rarely if ever done that.

I think bananas was supposed to be a smart sarcastic reply because I haven't really seen a real answer to this. Its like how the newspapers were decrying how the big bad EU were trying to tell hairdressers how much they could do and how they couldn't wear high heels.

Turns out what they were looking at was working hours (why hairdressers would be allowed to be worked to death and others have prescribed working hours is beyond me) and making sure the footwear of the workers have a non-slip surface as this caused the most injuries at work. Stupid EU for making working hours sensible and reducing work injuries. How dare they!!

maryishere · 15-10-2016 11:57PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Yes, that is why the Empire was established, to civilize the savages.

We would have been worse off under the Spanish or French Empires. As part of the UK we got infrastructure, canals, roads, harbours, universities, lighthouses, fine old buildings, world leading legal system etc.

Enzokk wrote: »

we will take back our laws, but no-one has actually been able to explain what laws these will be.

Europe’s biggest companies, banks and investment groups have launched a scathing attack blaming mounting regulations for stifling competition and threatening businesses with hundreds of billions of euros in extra costs.
https://www.ft.com/content/658bd8e0-c91d-11e5-be0b-b7ece4e953a0

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 11:59PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You do realise I was joking, don't you?

Its still the only answer we have.

catbear · 16-10-2016 12:02AM

Oh look, Boris Johnson actually wanted the UK to remain!

According to a new book on the EU referendum campaign, he declared: "Britain is a great nation, a global force for good. It is surely a boon for the world and for Europe that she should be intimately engaged in the EU."

His unpublished article for The Daily Telegraph was written two days before his shock announcement that he would campaign to leave.

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-secret-remain-article-revealed-10619546

Hahaha hahaha hahaha etc

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2016 12:03AM

maryishere wrote: »

We would have been worse off under the Spanish or French Empires. As part of the UK we got infrastructure, canals, roads, harbours, universities, lighthouses, fine old buildings, world leading legal system etc.

Europe’s biggest companies, banks and investment groups have launched a scathing attack blaming mounting regulations for stifling competition and threatening businesses with hundreds of billions of euros in extra costs.
https://www.ft.com/content/658bd8e0-c91d-11e5-be0b-b7ece4e953a0

The banks that crippled us all when we went light regulation? Bless.

The Rape of Lucretia · 16-10-2016 12:03AM

maryishere wrote: »

Whataboutaderry. Now answer the question. If the PIRA cared so much for innocent life, why did they plant bombs in Shopping Malls on busy Saturday afternoons?

As you say, your question is whataboutery. Not really a lot to do with Brexit.

Junkyard Tom · 16-10-2016 12:03AM

maryishere wrote: »

Do you think the Irish Army are terrorists too?

They're the Irish Defence Forces of a neutral country. Britain has been sending out its army to terrorise people for centuries - they were still torturing and massacring people in Ireland not so long ago.

16-10-2016 12:14AM

maryishere wrote: »

We would have been worse off under the Spanish or French Empires.......

LOL. Your posts are some of the most sycophantic anglophile tosh I've ever read here.

Enzokk · 16-10-2016 12:15AM

maryishere wrote: »

We would have been worse off under the Spanish or French Empires. As part of the UK we got infrastructure, canals, roads, harbours, universities, lighthouses, fine old buildings, world leading legal system etc.

Yes, because they needed those for their own purposes. They didn't give it to the people of Ireland because they were feeling generous. I am sure they were also under the mistaken impression that they would be able to keep "their" land.

maryishere wrote: »

Europe’s biggest companies, banks and investment groups have launched a scathing attack blaming mounting regulations for stifling competition and threatening businesses with hundreds of billions of euros in extra costs.
https://www.ft.com/content/658bd8e0-c91d-11e5-be0b-b7ece4e953a0

Yes, companies are not happy with more regulations that came into force after the 2008 financial crash, including financial institutions. This was also written before the Brexit vote, funny that most of those same companies are now clamoring for access to the single market and those same regulations. I wonder why that is....

maryishere · 16-10-2016 12:16AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The British army are not my army.

I did not say they are your army. However for those who live in the UK ( I do not care where you live ) rest assured your taxes, both direct and indirect, help support said army. If the British Army is a terrorist army in your eyes, what is it doing in your beloved EU? Or are there dozens of terrorist armies in the EU? If so, can you list their terrorist actions this year?

You said "all armies are terrorists" All armies are? Do the Irish Army are terrorists too? Because they sometimes fought your beloved PIRA? Or because they allow the Americans through Shannon?

99% of people would think that terrorists are not the armies of democratically elected EU states. They are wrong and you are right? Your beloved PIRA did not follow the rules of the geneva convention and they were not the armed force of any democratically elected government - yet you think that army was not terrorists?

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2016 12:19AM

Enzokk wrote: »

Yes, because they needed those for their own purposes. They didn't give it to the people of Ireland because they were feeling generous. I am sure they were also under the mistaken impression that they would be able to keep "their" land.

Yes, companies are not happy with more regulations that came into force after the 2008 financial crash, including financial institutions. This was also written before the Brexit vote, funny that most of those same companies are now clamoring for access to the single market and those same regulations. I wonder why that is....

The consensus and evidence is they will hightail it to EU countries. The delusion is that there is loyalty here.

The Rape of Lucretia · 16-10-2016 12:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The banks that crippled us all when we went light regulation? Bless.

Well, the banks didnt cripple us. The borrowers who hadnt a rashers and borrowed beyond their reasonable means to repay, crippled us. Ireland is still the backwards region of the British Isles if it still cant face up to the fact that it was the author of its own downfall, and prefers to blame others - couldnt blame the British for a change, so it decided bankers were to blame. Could really have done with a bit linger as part of the United Kingdom to improve our general sophistication, culture, and maturity.

Pro Hoc Vice · 16-10-2016 12:30AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well, the banks didnt cripple us. The borrowers who hadnt a rashers and borrowed beyond their reasonable means to repay, crippled us. Ireland is still the backwards region of the British Isles if it still cant face up to the fact that it was the author of its own downfall, and prefers to blame others - couldnt blame the British for a change, so it decided bankers were to blame. Could really have done with a bit linger as part of the United Kingdom to improve our general sophistication, culture, and maturity.

Good to hear none of the UK banks did the same. How many of the UK banks are in public ownership again I assume from you post zero?

Junkyard Tom · 16-10-2016 12:35AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Could really have done with a bit linger as part of the United Kingdom to improve our general sophistication, culture, and maturity.

One of the great things about British culture is thier comedy which would make a mockery of those aspects of Britishness you exalt.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2016 12:46AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well, the banks didnt cripple us. The borrowers who hadnt a rashers and borrowed beyond their reasonable means to repay, crippled us. Ireland is still the backwards region of the British Isles if it still cant face up to the fact that it was the author of its own downfall, and prefers to blame others - couldnt blame the British for a change, so it decided bankers were to blame. Could really have done with a bit linger as part of the United Kingdom to improve our general sophistication, culture, and maturity.

You cannot borrow money off the prudent or responsible. The banks have been curtailed and hopefully properly regulated now.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2016 12:49AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

One of the great things about British culture is thier comedy which would make a mockery of those aspects of Britishness you exalt.

I can see a few posters in Allo Allo

Junkyard Tom · 16-10-2016 12:53AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I can see a few posters in Allo Allo

Or Balckadder. I can see them wanting to drown The Young Ones and being rather similar to Basil Fawlty.

FrancieBrady · 16-10-2016 12:58AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Or Balckadder. I can see them wanting to drown The Young Ones and being rather similar to Basil Fawlty.

Brilliant as it all was, what other EU country could have produced it? The comedy of a nation that considers itself superior in some way. Auto correct suggested consoles in a comedy vein.

FA Hayek · 16-10-2016 07:50AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The British army are not my army. rabble rabble...

Yes, that is great.

Now answer my question. If Irish Republicans cared so much for innocent life why did they plant bombs in Shopping malls on a busy Saturday.

FA Hayek · 16-10-2016 07:52AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc

Ah, yes. Pull out a Youtube video any time you want to run away from answering a question. Very predictable and cowardly, much like many of Irish Republicans actions in the past.

UK Votes to leave EU

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