do you believe the anti Russian propoganda

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 9:39pm #1

There is a clear agenda here and if you can see past your own nose you can see it, the west don't like Russia that's clear it's a big power they would like not to be a big power, they want to make Russia look evil they are stepping it up in the media, really stepping it up if you want to go to war the first thing you need to do is justify it to the public first and I see this latest step up of propaganda as the beginning of that justification.

Fleawuss · 15-10-2016 9:40pm

Thank you for that Vladbot.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-10-2016 9:42pm

The question is worded in such a way that my answer has to be No. I believe Russia is a major threat and run by a maniac but I don't believe the anti Russian sentiments are propaganda. We are probably not hearing half the concerns that are out there.

suicide_circus · 15-10-2016 9:47pm

Russia essentially "lost" the cold war and went into humiliating decline and the Soviet union crumbled and the US and the west prospered. This has always niggled at the Russian people and especially at men like Putin. They haven't been able to let go of this and smell blood in the water now with regard to the decline of the US as the only superpower.

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 9:48pm

Franklin Enough Recorder wrote: »

The question is worded in such a way that my answer has to be No. I believe Russia is a major threat and run by a maniac but I don't believe the anti Russian sentiments are propaganda. We are probably not hearing half the concerns that are out there.

What makes you think it's run by a maniac? Where is the basis for that

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 9:50pm

Fleawuss wrote: »

Thank you for that Vladbot.

I don't care for Russia it just annoys me how people believe this propaganda

Akrasia · 15-10-2016 9:51pm

Russia is one of the biggest threats to world peace. They're just after annexing a part of Ukraine and are perfectly happy to launch missiles at commercial airliners and then pretend that they had nothing to do with it. The leaders of russia are everything that Trump wishes he was but is too stupid and cowardly to achieve.

Russia is formally a democracy, but their elections corrupt and their media and press are hugely restricted. (rated 21st from the bottom in the press freedom index) American democracy is a paradigm of virtue compared to what happens in Russian elections.

Should we believe everything everyone says about Russia, of course not, but to claim that Russia is just a victim of western propaganda and they're actually a progressive modern, egalitarian and compassionate society would be totally delusional

Jimmy Garlic · 15-10-2016 9:52pm

In the same week that the US were accusing Russia of war crimes they launched an attack on yet another third world country. I am guessing the Houties in Yemen are not ''moderate'' enough for them. In any case accusations of war crimes by the US should be accepted for what they are - an absolute joke. When did they start caring about poor brown people? I saw a piece on the BBC website during the week where they were basically making excuses for ''moderate rebels'' who cut off a young boys head. Not that long ago Channel 4 interviewed the very same people who cut off the young Palestinian boys head, they were of course presenting them as ''moderate rebels''. Nothing that comes out of the British and American political and media establishments can be believed.

CINCLANTFLT · 15-10-2016 9:52pm

Paulb771 wrote: »

There is a clear agenda here and if you can see past your own nose you can see it, the west don't like Russia that's clear it's a big power they would like not to be a big power, they want to make Russia look evil they are stepping it up in the media, really stepping it up if you want to go to war the first thing you need to do is justify it to the public first and I see this latest step up of propaganda as the beginning of that justification.

I met Vlad at a party once... he brought a bunch of cheap SuperValu lager... put it in a fridge. He then started taking someone else's cans of Becks... when he left, he took his 6 cans of SuperValu lager... he's histories greatest monster!!!

MrDiyFan · 15-10-2016 9:53pm

The US has caused way more trouble worldwide than putin.
Look at all the disasters in the middle east taking out stable dictatorships

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-10-2016 9:53pm

Paulb771 wrote: »

What makes you think it's run by a maniac? Where is the basis for that

Oh open your eyes. Read what Putin has said publically over the past few years and look at his foreign policy, land grabbing, and support for dubious organisations.

But I suspect you are only here to bait. So,

Спокойной ночи и получить жизнь.

AvBBrother · 15-10-2016 9:54pm

No, I do not believe the anti-Russian propaganda.

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 9:58pm

Akrasia wrote: »

Russia is one of the biggest threats to world peace. They're just after annexing a part of Ukraine and are perfectly happy to launch missiles at commercial airliners and then pretend that they had nothing to do with it. The leaders of russia are everything that Trump wishes he was but is too stupid and cowardly to achieve.

Russia is formally a democracy, but their elections corrupt and their media and press are hugely restricted. (rated 21st from the bottom in the press freedom index) American democracy is a paradigm of virtue compared to what happens in Russian elections.

Should we believe everything everyone says about Russia, of course not, but to claim that Russia is just a victim of western propaganda and they're actually a progressive modern, egalitarian and compassionate society would be totally delusional

I find it extremely funny how British people label what's going on in Ukraine as wrong when the people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the exact same as what was done to Ireland.

Joshua J · 15-10-2016 9:59pm

I don't believe what any of them say tbh.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-10-2016 9:59pm

AvBBrother wrote: »

No, I do not believe the anti-Russian propaganda.

You and Paul are so alike. Russian Dolls?

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 10:02pm

Franklin Enough Recorder wrote: »

Oh open your eyes. Read what Putin has said publically over the past few years and look at his foreign policy, land grabbing, and support for dubious organisations.

But I suspect you are only here to bait. So,

Спокойной ночи и получить жизнь.

Look at this logically, from your view point this all looks wrong, from the view point in the west this looks wrong but if you look at the things the US has done from a different perception it is far worse than what Russia has done it just depends on how it is portrayed

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 10:04pm

Franklin Enough Recorder wrote: »

You and Paul are so alike. Russian Dolls?

Open your eyes and try and look at things from different perceptions and you will see your own viewpoint change

zSparc · 15-10-2016 10:05pm

Paulb771 wrote: »

There is a clear agenda here

... to attack Ukraine and take over Crimea.

Peaceful, innocent Russia :rolleyes:

jimgoose · 15-10-2016 10:05pm

You must think in Russian, Major. Now this is a machine.

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 10:08pm

zSparc wrote: »

... to attack Ukraine and take over Crimea.

Peaceful, innocent Russia :rolleyes:

The people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the same thing that has been used to justify the occupation of Ireland for the past nearly 100 years I'm not saying that invading Ukraine is right what I'm saying is it is extremely hypocritical for the British elite to be condemning Russia over this

Skommando · 15-10-2016 10:08pm

Yes there is anti Russian propaganda, just as Russia pumps out anti Western propaganda. Same type of people in power on both sides.
Honest people don't go into politics.

Mr_Muffin · 15-10-2016 10:10pm

I don't believe anything in the news in regards Russia or even the U.S.

No one really knows whats going on behind the scenes.

Grayson · 15-10-2016 10:11pm

Paulb771 wrote: »

I find it extremely funny how British people label what's going on in Ukraine as wrong when the people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the exact same as what was done to Ireland.

By your logic we should invade Derry.

They sent in KGB agitators and special forces into Ukraine. Thousands have died because of the dirty war they started.

And don't bring the US into this. es the US have committed despicable acts too but that doesn't excuse what Russia have done. At least in the US you can protest. Try that in Russia and you'd be locked up.

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 10:11pm

Skommando wrote: »

Yes there is anti Russian propaganda, just as Russia pumps out anti Western propaganda. Same type of people in power on both sides.
Honest people don't go into politics.

It's funny how the people of Russia see Americans and Brits as completely brainwashed and the people of America and Britain see the Russians as completely brainwashed

jimgoose · 15-10-2016 10:14pm

Paulb771 wrote: »

The people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the same thing that has been used to justify the occupation of Ireland for the past nearly 100 years I'm not saying that invading Ukraine is right what I'm saying is it is extremely hypocritical for the British elite to be condemning Russia over this

The people of Ukraine want to be civilised people and join their counterparts in Europe, as do most Russians. They are currently labouring under the regime of a bare-chested ex-KGB galoot who would benefit greatly from a belt of a Barrett M82. The only reason the great Russian people put up with this is that, unfortunately for historical reasons, they're sort of used to it.

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 10:15pm

Grayson wrote: »

By your logic we should invade Derry.

They sent in KGB agitators and special forces into Ukraine. Thousands have died because of the dirty war they started.

And don't bring the US into this. es the US have committed despicable acts too but that doesn't excuse what Russia have done. At least in the US you can protest. Try that in Russia and you'd be locked up.[/

What do you mean by my logic? I think you misread what I said because I have no idea what you mean by that and yes your right the US has done far worse it's just about how it's portrayed.

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 10:18pm

jimgoose wrote: »

The people of Ukraine want to be civilised people and join their counterparts in Europe, as do most Russians. They are currently labouring under the regime of a bare-chested ex-KGB galoot who would benefit greatly from a belt of a Barrett M82. The only reason the great Russian people put up with this is that, unfortunately for historical reasons, they're sort of used to it.

Then why did the people of Crimea want to join Russia? See that's the propaganda I'm talking about you think all that stuff from your perception and how events are portrayed to you, being in the west you only ever get to hear one side of the argument.

andekwarhola · 15-10-2016 10:19pm

AvBBrother wrote: »

No, I do not believe the anti-Russian propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTKYxbybCs

Skommando · 15-10-2016 10:21pm

It's funny how the people of Russia see Americans and Brits as completely brainwashed and the people of America and Britain see the Russians as completely brainwashed

And yet the Irish are just as brainwashed by their leaders.

Paulb771 · 15-10-2016 10:22pm

jimgoose wrote: »

The people of Ukraine want to be civilised people and join their counterparts in Europe, as do most Russians. They are currently labouring under the regime of a bare-chested ex-KGB galoot who would benefit greatly from a belt of a Barrett M82. The only reason the great Russian people put up with this is that, unfortunately for historical reasons, they're sort of used to it.

The government is democratically elected every year, the west like to give a perception that the people of Russia are living under a tyrannical government and hate the government that's part of the whole justifying war I was talking about

Grayson · 15-10-2016 10:23pm

Paulb771 wrote: »

What do you mean by my logic? I think you misread what I said because I have no idea what you mean by that and yes your right the US has done far worse it's just about how it's portrayed.

The people of Derry are nationalist. Therefore we should do what Putin did. Send little green men over the border and take over. We can have a referendum where we pick our own international observers as well.

do you believe the anti Russian propoganda

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