do you believe the anti Russian propoganda

Paulb771

There is a clear agenda here and if you can see past your own nose you can see it, the west don't like Russia that's clear it's a big power they would like not to be a big power, they want to make Russia look evil they are stepping it up in the media, really stepping it up if you want to go to war the first thing you need to do is justify it to the public first and I see this latest step up of propaganda as the beginning of that justification.

Fleawuss

Thank you for that Vladbot.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

The question is worded in such a way that my answer has to be No. I believe Russia is a major threat and run by a maniac but I don't believe the anti Russian sentiments are propaganda. We are probably not hearing half the concerns that are out there.

suicide_circus

Russia essentially "lost" the cold war and went into humiliating decline and the Soviet union crumbled and the US and the west prospered. This has always niggled at the Russian people and especially at men like Putin. They haven't been able to let go of this and smell blood in the water now with regard to the decline of the US as the only superpower.

Paulb771

Franklin Enough Recorder wrote: »

The question is worded in such a way that my answer has to be No. I believe Russia is a major threat and run by a maniac but I don't believe the anti Russian sentiments are propaganda. We are probably not hearing half the concerns that are out there.

What makes you think it's run by a maniac? Where is the basis for that

Paulb771

Fleawuss wrote: »

Thank you for that Vladbot.

I don't care for Russia it just annoys me how people believe this propaganda

Akrasia

Russia is one of the biggest threats to world peace. They're just after annexing a part of Ukraine and are perfectly happy to launch missiles at commercial airliners and then pretend that they had nothing to do with it. The leaders of russia are everything that Trump wishes he was but is too stupid and cowardly to achieve.

Russia is formally a democracy, but their elections corrupt and their media and press are hugely restricted. (rated 21st from the bottom in the press freedom index) American democracy is a paradigm of virtue compared to what happens in Russian elections.

Should we believe everything everyone says about Russia, of course not, but to claim that Russia is just a victim of western propaganda and they're actually a progressive modern, egalitarian and compassionate society would be totally delusional

Jimmy Garlic

In the same week that the US were accusing Russia of war crimes they launched an attack on yet another third world country. I am guessing the Houties in Yemen are not ''moderate'' enough for them. In any case accusations of war crimes by the US should be accepted for what they are - an absolute joke. When did they start caring about poor brown people? I saw a piece on the BBC website during the week where they were basically making excuses for ''moderate rebels'' who cut off a young boys head. Not that long ago Channel 4 interviewed the very same people who cut off the young Palestinian boys head, they were of course presenting them as ''moderate rebels''. Nothing that comes out of the British and American political and media establishments can be believed.

CINCLANTFLT

Paulb771 wrote: »

There is a clear agenda here and if you can see past your own nose you can see it, the west don't like Russia that's clear it's a big power they would like not to be a big power, they want to make Russia look evil they are stepping it up in the media, really stepping it up if you want to go to war the first thing you need to do is justify it to the public first and I see this latest step up of propaganda as the beginning of that justification.

I met Vlad at a party once... he brought a bunch of cheap SuperValu lager... put it in a fridge. He then started taking someone else's cans of Becks... when he left, he took his 6 cans of SuperValu lager... he's histories greatest monster!!!

MrDiyFan

The US has caused way more trouble worldwide than putin.
Look at all the disasters in the middle east taking out stable dictatorships

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Paulb771 wrote: »

What makes you think it's run by a maniac? Where is the basis for that

Oh open your eyes. Read what Putin has said publically over the past few years and look at his foreign policy, land grabbing, and support for dubious organisations.

But I suspect you are only here to bait. So,

Спокойной ночи и получить жизнь.

AvBBrother

No, I do not believe the anti-Russian propaganda.

Paulb771

Akrasia wrote: »

Russia is one of the biggest threats to world peace. They're just after annexing a part of Ukraine and are perfectly happy to launch missiles at commercial airliners and then pretend that they had nothing to do with it. The leaders of russia are everything that Trump wishes he was but is too stupid and cowardly to achieve.

Russia is formally a democracy, but their elections corrupt and their media and press are hugely restricted. (rated 21st from the bottom in the press freedom index) American democracy is a paradigm of virtue compared to what happens in Russian elections.

Should we believe everything everyone says about Russia, of course not, but to claim that Russia is just a victim of western propaganda and they're actually a progressive modern, egalitarian and compassionate society would be totally delusional

I find it extremely funny how British people label what's going on in Ukraine as wrong when the people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the exact same as what was done to Ireland.

Joshua J

I don't believe what any of them say tbh.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

AvBBrother wrote: »

No, I do not believe the anti-Russian propaganda.

You and Paul are so alike. Russian Dolls?

Paulb771

Franklin Enough Recorder wrote: »

Oh open your eyes. Read what Putin has said publically over the past few years and look at his foreign policy, land grabbing, and support for dubious organisations.

But I suspect you are only here to bait. So,

Спокойной ночи и получить жизнь.

Look at this logically, from your view point this all looks wrong, from the view point in the west this looks wrong but if you look at the things the US has done from a different perception it is far worse than what Russia has done it just depends on how it is portrayed

Paulb771

Franklin Enough Recorder wrote: »

You and Paul are so alike. Russian Dolls?

Open your eyes and try and look at things from different perceptions and you will see your own viewpoint change

zSparc

Paulb771 wrote: »

There is a clear agenda here

... to attack Ukraine and take over Crimea.

Peaceful, innocent Russia :rolleyes:

jimgoose

You must think in Russian, Major. Now this is a machine.

Paulb771

zSparc wrote: »

... to attack Ukraine and take over Crimea.

Peaceful, innocent Russia :rolleyes:

The people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the same thing that has been used to justify the occupation of Ireland for the past nearly 100 years I'm not saying that invading Ukraine is right what I'm saying is it is extremely hypocritical for the British elite to be condemning Russia over this

Skommando

Yes there is anti Russian propaganda, just as Russia pumps out anti Western propaganda. Same type of people in power on both sides.
Honest people don't go into politics.

Mr_Muffin

I don't believe anything in the news in regards Russia or even the U.S.

No one really knows whats going on behind the scenes.

Grayson

Paulb771 wrote: »

I find it extremely funny how British people label what's going on in Ukraine as wrong when the people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the exact same as what was done to Ireland.

By your logic we should invade Derry.

They sent in KGB agitators and special forces into Ukraine. Thousands have died because of the dirty war they started.

And don't bring the US into this. es the US have committed despicable acts too but that doesn't excuse what Russia have done. At least in the US you can protest. Try that in Russia and you'd be locked up.

Paulb771

Skommando wrote: »

Yes there is anti Russian propaganda, just as Russia pumps out anti Western propaganda. Same type of people in power on both sides.
Honest people don't go into politics.

It's funny how the people of Russia see Americans and Brits as completely brainwashed and the people of America and Britain see the Russians as completely brainwashed

jimgoose

Paulb771 wrote: »

The people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia, the same thing that has been used to justify the occupation of Ireland for the past nearly 100 years I'm not saying that invading Ukraine is right what I'm saying is it is extremely hypocritical for the British elite to be condemning Russia over this

The people of Ukraine want to be civilised people and join their counterparts in Europe, as do most Russians. They are currently labouring under the regime of a bare-chested ex-KGB galoot who would benefit greatly from a belt of a Barrett M82. The only reason the great Russian people put up with this is that, unfortunately for historical reasons, they're sort of used to it.

Paulb771

Grayson wrote: »

By your logic we should invade Derry.

They sent in KGB agitators and special forces into Ukraine. Thousands have died because of the dirty war they started.

And don't bring the US into this. es the US have committed despicable acts too but that doesn't excuse what Russia have done. At least in the US you can protest. Try that in Russia and you'd be locked up.[/

What do you mean by my logic? I think you misread what I said because I have no idea what you mean by that and yes your right the US has done far worse it's just about how it's portrayed.

Paulb771

jimgoose wrote: »

The people of Ukraine want to be civilised people and join their counterparts in Europe, as do most Russians. They are currently labouring under the regime of a bare-chested ex-KGB galoot who would benefit greatly from a belt of a Barrett M82. The only reason the great Russian people put up with this is that, unfortunately for historical reasons, they're sort of used to it.

Then why did the people of Crimea want to join Russia? See that's the propaganda I'm talking about you think all that stuff from your perception and how events are portrayed to you, being in the west you only ever get to hear one side of the argument.

andekwarhola

AvBBrother wrote: »

No, I do not believe the anti-Russian propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTKYxbybCs

Skommando

It's funny how the people of Russia see Americans and Brits as completely brainwashed and the people of America and Britain see the Russians as completely brainwashed

And yet the Irish are just as brainwashed by their leaders.

Paulb771

jimgoose wrote: »

The people of Ukraine want to be civilised people and join their counterparts in Europe, as do most Russians. They are currently labouring under the regime of a bare-chested ex-KGB galoot who would benefit greatly from a belt of a Barrett M82. The only reason the great Russian people put up with this is that, unfortunately for historical reasons, they're sort of used to it.

The government is democratically elected every year, the west like to give a perception that the people of Russia are living under a tyrannical government and hate the government that's part of the whole justifying war I was talking about

Grayson

Paulb771 wrote: »

What do you mean by my logic? I think you misread what I said because I have no idea what you mean by that and yes your right the US has done far worse it's just about how it's portrayed.

The people of Derry are nationalist. Therefore we should do what Putin did. Send little green men over the border and take over. We can have a referendum where we pick our own international observers as well.

jimgoose

Paulb771 wrote: »

The government is democratically elected every year, the west like to give a perception that the people of Russia are living under a tyrannical government and hate the government that's part of the whole justifying war I was talking about

The people of Russia don't give a flying fcuk about the "government" - for that, read Gazprom plus a few ex-Cold War bully-boys. They're weary from the fcukin' "government".

jimgoose

Paulb771 wrote: »

The government is democratically elected every year...

:D:D

Paulb771

Grayson wrote: »

The people of Derry are nationalist. Therefore we should do what Putin did. Send little green men over the border and take over. We can have a referendum where we pick our own international observers as well.

We would have invaded the whole 6 counties if we had the power to, the only reason the land was able to be taken was because they threatened a war we couldn't win, if even by the 70s Britain lost most of it's military might we would have took it back.

jimgoose

Paulb771 wrote: »

We would have invaded the whole 6 counties if we had the power to, the only reason the land was able to be taken was because they threatened a war we couldn't win, if even by the 70s Britain lost most of it's military might we would have took it back.

One aircraft carrier would have flattened the place in three hours. Straighten yourself up.

Paulb771

jimgoose wrote: »

:D:D

Why do you think it's not? Because you seen a video on sky news the other day of some woman stuffing a ballot box?

Paulb771

jimgoose wrote: »

One aircraft carrier would have flattened the place in three hours. Straighten yourself up.

Read what I said "if Britain lost most of it's military might even by the 70s we would have tried to take it back"

jimgoose

Paulb771 wrote: »

Read what I said "if Britain lost most of it's military might even by the 70s we would have tried to take it back"

If me granny had wheels and a saddle she'd be a bicycle.

jimgoose

Paulb771 wrote: »

Why do you think it's not? Because you seen a video on sky news the other day of some woman stuffing a ballot box?

No, it's because Vladimir Putin is an animal, and his besties are serious international criminals.

Zonda999

In my honest opinion, the vast majority of the Western press is biased against Russia and do subtly attempt to paint Russia in a negative light and they certainly do so as regards Putin. Russia is clearly by no means perfect but the USA are no angels either. In short they both have their own prerogative/interests and they work towards them.

As regards Crimea, its true that the Western press ignore the fact that the majority of the population of Crimea wanted to be part of Russia. i think the issue is that it was annexed. Like its often hypothesised that now or in the not too distant future that a majority of the population of Northern Ireland may prefer to be part of the Republic. So, based on the Russian logic, the Irish army should just head over the border and seize control. This isn't going to happen for obvious reasons. However, lets just say that Ireland had an army multiples the size of that of the UK.Then the Irish Army could roll in and seize NI. The only difference would be the size of the army. This is the situation with Crimea, Russia took Crimea because it could. I'm not going to judge Russia based on that, but has anything as blatant as that ever been done by a NATO country since WW2? I don't think so, i mean, we could point toward the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan where the US rolled in and installed US backed governments. Can the two situations be equated, I'm not sure but I'm fairly sure that many would say that they can be.

Paulb771

jimgoose wrote: »

No, it's because Vladimir Putin is an animal, and his besties are serious international criminals.

Says who? Why do you think Putin is more of an animal than lets say Obama, Bush, David Cameron for example?

jimgoose

Paulb771 wrote: »

Says who? Why do you think Putin is more of an animal than lets say Obama, Bush, David Cameron for example?

I think he's more of a rabid dog than Kim Jong Haircut, and should be put down out of kindness. You see, that's the way we are in the West. Don't thank me, it's my job.

The_Valeyard

Paulb771 wrote: »

Says who? Why do you think Putin is more of an animal than lets say Obama, Bush, David Cameron for example?

Putin f*cked Ukraine over.

Bush f*cked Iraq over.



David Cameron f*cked a pigs head.

Paulb771

Zonda999 wrote: »

In my honest opinion, the vast majority of the Western press is biased against Russia and do subtly attempt to paint Russia in a negative light and they certainly do so as regards Putin. Russia is clearly by no means perfect but the USA are no angels either. In short they both have their own prerogative/interests and they work towards them.

As regards Crimea, its true that the Western press ignore the fact that the majority of the population of Crimea wanted to be part of Russia. i think the issue is that it was annexed. Like its often hypothesised that now or in the not too distant future that a majority of the population of Northern Ireland may prefer to be part of the Republic. So, based on the Russian logic, the Irish army should just head over the border and seize control. This isn't going to happen for obvious reasons. However, lets just say that Ireland had an army multiples the size of that of the UK.Then the Irish Army could roll in and seize NI. The only difference would be the size of the army. This is the situation with Crimea, Russia took Crimea because it could. I'm not going to judge Russia based on that, but has anything as blatant as that ever been done by a NATO country since WW2? I don't think so, i mean, we could point toward the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan where the US rolled in and installed US backed governments. Can the two situations be equated, I'm not sure but I'm fairly sure that many would say that they can be.

Your right there I used to always think Russia just rolled up and invaded Ukraine and it's also not the same as taking over the north now because crimea was denied a referendum for years, Russia invaded occupied and then immediately held a referendum where 85% wanted to join Russia it was a clear case that the majority of people wanted to join Russia, it wasn't a guess.

zig

Too vague a question .

Yes I believe they are committing a massacre in Aleppo.

Yes I believe Putin has created a situation where he remains president constantly via a so called "democratic" process.

Yes I believe he has been absolutely ruthless in his handling of foreign affairs all to benefit Russia from threatening to poisoning to all out invasion or support of rebellion when it suits him.

Yes I believe their banning of gay parades is blatant prejudice.

But at the same time I don't doubt his popularity in Russia. I also don't doubt that their policies in handling some affairs in the Middle East and Crimea are wiser than the Western take on it.

In fact I also agree with the point that the vast vast majority in Crimea wanted to be part of Russia and that their action there most likely saved 1000s of lives.

Both Russia and the West has a lot of blood on its hands.

Paulb771

jimgoose wrote: »

I think he's more of a rabid dog than Kim Jong Haircut, and should be put down out of kindness. You see, that's the way we are in the West. Don't thank me, it's my job.

So you have no answer? That's the thing people feel and think the way you do but have no basis for it it's all to do with how things are portrayed

Paulb771

zig wrote: »

Too vague a question .

Yes I believe they are committing a massacre in Aleppo.

Yes I believe Putin has created a situation where he remains president constantly via a so called "democratic" process.

Yes I believe he has been absolutely ruthless in his handling of foreign affairs all to benefit Russia from threatening to poisoning to all out invasion or support of rebellion when it suits him.

Yes I believe their banning of gay parades is blatant prejudice.

But at the same time I don't doubt his popularity in Russia. I also don't doubt that their policies in handling some affairs in the Middle East and Crimea are wiser than the Western take on it.

In fact I also agree with the point that the vast vast majority in Crimea wanted to be part of Russia and that their action there most likely saved 1000s of lives.

Both Russia and the West has a lot of blood on its hands.

I agree with you completely here, the US is more ruthless it's just how they portray it. Being in the west you only get to hear one side of the argument

zSparc

Paulb771 wrote: »

The people of Crimea overwhelmingly wanted to join Russia

1. Under Russian guns they would have voted for anything.
2. That poll was a joke and everyone knows it.

Barry Badrinath

Da Comerade

Ya cant spell USSR without US

Peregrine

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