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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #3932
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Do you consider grabbing a woman by the pussy to be 'hitting on them'?

    If I grab you buy your boy pussy tonight am I hitting on you?

    If not why do you defend Donald Trump boasting about molesting women?

    Can we please not go back to this, It's tea time.


  • #3933
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    A women in a club was hit on, geez I'm in shock.

    It's bizarre how these stories are downplayed.

    She claims he sat beside her, put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals with no preamble.

    If that's what you consider "hitting on" a woman in a club... I dunno.


  • #3934
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,267 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Do you consider grabbing a woman by the pussy to be 'hitting on them'?

    If I grab you buy your boy pussy tonight am I hitting on you?

    If not why do you defend Donald Trump boasting about molesting women?

    That's a hell of a thing to be able to do, to get that far before someone would notice. I think he probably touched her leg above her knee and she moved away. It's magnified now to suggest he did much more. I don't get how the initial touching was not noticed that he managed to go so far. Again it happened in public but no witnesses .
    I believe he hit on her, put hand on her leg. Guys that are full of themselves tend to do that. It's not right but it's far from the magnified story we are hearing.


  • #3935
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,267 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    It's bizarre how these stories are downplayed.

    She claims he sat beside her, put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals with no preamble.

    If that's what you consider "hitting on" a woman in a club... I dunno.

    Did she say that? I'm not sure of exact words she used.
    I do believe he probably hit on her, touched her leg so on, but I believe also the stories are being magnified x 20 /


  • #3936
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I think he probably touched her leg above her knee and she moved away.

    Oh, you think that's what probably happened, do you?

    I guess that's the end of the matter. Some dude on the Internet has mansplained to a woman that she misunderstood what was happening when she thought some misogynistic asshole grabbed her by the pussy. Lucky her. Imagine if she had been allowed to go on thinking her own thoughts?


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  • #3937
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Trump: "Why aren't the press saying about Obama what they're saying about me"

    He's an impulsive reactionary goon.

    But he can't take responsibility for any of his actions.

    I'm all of this there hasn't been a single moment of self doubt or genuine apology from Trump.

    I actually think he probably thinks he's done nothing wrong.


  • #3938
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Yea Virginia is a mistake. Trump won't win there.
    http://www.270towin.com/maps/DRr83

    This is more likely , but still tough .

    Well for funsies, here's the poll closing schedule

    https://ballotpedia.org/State_Poll_Opening_and_Closing_Times_(2016)

    the night will be wrapped up by 8PM on the East Coast, unless in the swing states the outcome is super tight and they don't announce until later, but most districts exit polling will be pretty responsive. After the East Coast, everything else in the models are effectively locked in, even if AZ flips or sticks, or Utah goes to McMullin.

    Data suggests she will win Nevada. If she wins Nevada, Trump could win literally every other Swing State besides Virgina - win Iowa, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona - and she would still win, with 270 Electoral votes.

    http://www.270towin.com/maps/kxrZn

    Plus if McMullin wins Utah, Trump is definitely out :)

    If the race is tight in Nevada for whatever reason, it will be an all nighter in that nightmare scenario.

    edit: 538 model currently shows this as the best-case for Clinton, http://www.270towin.com/maps/P84bk and the next likely event, just has her losing Arizona. I won't be surprised if the model doesn't pick AZ right on the day.


  • #3939
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Did she say that? I'm not sure of exact words she used.
    I do believe he probably hit on her, touched her leg so on, but I believe also the stories are being magnified x 20 /

    Through her underwear. So downplaying as a thing that happens in club is a bit disingenuous.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-says-trump-reached-under-her-skirt-and-groped-her-in-early-1990s/2016/10/14/67e8ff5e-917d-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html


  • #3940
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Did she say that? I'm not sure of exact words she used.
    I do believe he probably hit on her, touched her leg so on, but I believe also the stories are being magnified x 20 /

    Hilarious that now Trump is in the back foot standards and proof suddenly become important

    Who founded Isis again?
    Barack Obsma was born where?
    Who's dad was involved in the JFK assassination?


    Get oit of here with your standards. You drag this thing into the gutter and complain about the dirt when you're there.


  • #3941
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭Christy42


    gosplan wrote: »
    Hilarious that now Trump is in the back foot standards and proof suddenly become important

    Who founded Isis again?
    Barack Obsma was born where?
    Who's dad was involved in the JFK assassination?


    Get oit of here with your standards. You drag this thing into the gutter and complain about the dirt when you're there.

    Also when was ISIS founded?


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  • #3942
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This recount of sexual assault seems pretty damning

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/when-i-arrived-he-kissed-me-on-the-lips-new-trump-accuser-gives-press-conference/

    tried to contact him earlier this year, so theres a paper trail. And her previous employment.

    Even after Trump loses this thing the court cases will be a spectacle.


  • #3943
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Overheal wrote: »
    Can we please not go back to this, It's tea time.

    Sorry but right here its sundown for democracy so you'll have to forgive me for being a bit antsy.


  • #3944
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    It's bizarre how these stories are downplayed.

    She claims he sat beside her, put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals with no preamble.

    If that's what you consider "hitting on" a woman in a club... I dunno.

    You might 'dunno'...

    But I do. That is as close to prima facie example of sexual assault and possibly rape as one can come across. Lets not indulge rape and molestation apologists for the sake of 'debate'.


  • #3945
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    That's a hell of a thing to be able to do, to get that far before someone would notice. I think he probably touched her leg above her knee and she moved away. It's magnified now to suggest he did much more. I don't get how the initial touching was not noticed that he managed to go so far. Again it happened in public but no witnesses .
    I believe he hit on her, put hand on her leg. Guys that are full of themselves tend to do that. It's not right but it's far from the magnified story we are hearing.

    Putting your hand on a woman who doesn't want you to is molestation and is an assault. You can blithely dismiss it all you wish but try that line of argument in a court and you'll find out quickly enough that you are wrong.

    Answer the question I asked though. If I grab your sweet boy pussy in a club am I hitting on you?


  • #3946
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    http://www.270towin.com/maps/eXxDj

    Very possible

    That's a very, very unlikely result based on the current polling numbers. What leads you to believe this may happen, aside from wishful thinking?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3947
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Looking at the polls , it's looking more and more grim

    RCPPOLL.jpg

    There is no pathway back for him..

    At best he can stop the bleeding , but I see no way for him to recover....


  • #3948
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    There is no pathway back for him..

    At best he can stop the bleeding , but I see no way for him to recover....
    Well I guess this explains why he was courting the NRA wingnuts earlier in the campaign; that's his plan B to catch up. For those who don't remember:
    If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”


  • #3949
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Probably , but it really doesn't matter at this stage , Trump will continue to dig even bigger holes for himself with women and moderate voters..

    I mean look at his response to the accusation from the People Magazine reporter that he forced her up against a wall and kissed her..

    His response was not "I didn't do that , I'm not that kind of person" or whatever...

    No - His response was "Look at her, I mean Really? , I don't think so"

    So , his defence is "She's not my type/ not pretty enough" ??

    And that's supposed to get people to vote for him... Jesus...

    And again his defence when presented with a claim of sexual assault is
    Trump then claimed the controversy was “a total setup” consisting of “lies spread by the media” as a way to undermine his campaign. He went so far as to mock his accusers, making fun of one who told the Times he groped her on an airplane in the early 1980s.

    “The only way they can figure they can slow it down is to come up with people that are willing to say ‘Oh I was with Donald Trump in 1980,’” he said, putting on a voice mocking his accusers. “'I was sitting with him on an airplane and he went after me on the plane.’ Yeah, I'm gonna go after you…”

    “Believe me,” he added. “She would not be my first choice, I can tell you.”

    From Foxnews article


    His other defence is that it's those damn Mexicans again , out to get him..
    On Friday, Trump went after the NY Times again, suggesting the reporters were acting at the behest of Slim, the largest shareholder in the Times.

    “Now, Carlos Slim, as you know, comes from Mexico. He’s given many millions of dollars to the Clintons and their initiatives,” Trump said. “Reporters at The New York Times, they’re not journalists. They’re corporate lobbyists for Carlos Slim and for Hillary Clinton.”


  • #3950
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I don't know why I listen to so many people who are deathly afraid that Obama and Hillary are going to take away their guns when we can't even close a loophole about buying guns at gun shows


  • #3951
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    It appears that the New York times is daring Donald Trump to sue them, expecting him to lose big time in court if he does. If Trump sues, the Times could counter-sue for legal expenses, and perhaps punitive damages for attempting to discredit the Times reputation. NYT Vice President and Assistant General Counsel David McCraw on 13 October 2016 sent a letter essentially saying this to Donald Trump’s legal team in response to a retraction request about Times’s article "Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately."

    If Trump files a case against NYT, under discovery the Times legal team could request that all past videos, transcripts, and related records going back decades be released when preparing their defense, including a discovery filing for all 11 seasons of when Donald Trump hosted Celebrity Apprentice, both on air and hot mic behind scenes, where it's been claimed by former Celebrity Apprentice producer Bill Pruitt that there were more lewd hot mic recordings that were worse than last Friday's Trump groping tape. Methinks that Trump is just being Trump, blustering about suing, but will not want a legal discovery of his archives revealed.


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  • #3952
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,267 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Ivanka will beat Hilary in 4 years if Trump loses .


  • #3953
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Ivanka will beat Hilary in 4 years if Trump loses .
    Highly doubtful, but just think how many Made in China and Made in Vietnam dresses and accessories she could sell from her Collection during the primaries and presidential election cycle 2020 (like the pink dress she wore during July 2016 RNC and sold out the next day). She has over 800 Made in China and Made in Vietnam items for sale. She obviously doesn't care about Made in America.


  • #3954
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    For those trying to place Hillary on some moral high ground looking down on big bad Trump, here she is discussing Lenny Kravitz's genitals with the morally bankrupt Jewish 'comidienne' Lena Dunham.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tOOc-toJkdE

    Disgusting. Is that what runs through her brain whenever she looks at men? I thought women settled down at her age.


  • #3955
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Ivanka will beat Hilary in 4 years if Trump loses .

    What'll she use?


  • #3956
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,176 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    For those trying to place Hillary on some moral high ground looking down on big bad Trump, here she is discussing Lenny Kravitz's genitals with the morally bankrupt Jewish 'comidienne' Lena Dunham.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tOOc-toJkdE

    Disgusting. Is that what runs through her brain whenever she looks at men? I thought women settled down at her age.

    And that bit's relevant...how?


  • #3957
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    You might 'dunno'...

    But I do. That is as close to prima facie example of sexual assault and possibly rape as one can come across. Lets not indulge rape and molestation apologists for the sake of 'debate'.
    For the avoidance of doubt, "I dunno" was intended to convey "I don't know how to get my head around the idea that grabbing someone's genitals non-consensually could possibly be considered 'hitting on' them". I could have been clearer.
    frostyjacks wrote: »
    For those trying to place Hillary on some moral high ground looking down on big bad Trump, here she is discussing Lenny Kravitz's genitals with the morally bankrupt Jewish 'comidienne' Lena Dunham.
    Wait a minute, she talked to a JEW??!!

    Oh my sainted aunt. Why haven't the lamestream media made a big song and dance about this?!!
    Disgusting. Is that what runs through her brain whenever she looks at men? I thought women settled down at her age.
    You're right. Call off the election. The idea that a woman would want to see a YouTube clip of a male wardrobe malfunction is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more disturbing than the idea of a man sticking his hand up a stranger's skirt in a nightclub.

    And then talking to a JEW about it??!?!


  • #3958
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Here's the thing: Hillary has no real moral high ground.

    What she has is an opponent in a very deep moral trench.

    It's like comparing the elevation of Death Valley to the Challenger Deep.


  • #3959
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,267 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Overheal wrote: »
    I believe in this context they prefer the term employees

    Also I don't see this I just see is live stump speech


    Can't rewind '' live ''


  • #3960
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,176 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Is he going to order his supporters to find another accuser's Facebook page? :rolleyes:


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  • #3961
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,267 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Crowd screaming USA USA USA

    ''Under Skirt Assault ''

    USA USA USA

    Whole crowd is yelling it to him.


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