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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    nop98 wrote: »
    seanin4711 wrote: »
    Monday 12km pacey flat
    Wednesday 12km pacey hills
    Friday 32km LSR neg splits

    final LSR week
    Monday 12km hills flat
    Wednesday 12 km pacey flat
    Friday 21+kms LSR neg splits

    week of DCM
    monday 8km easy flat
    wednesday 6km easy flat
    friday 4/5km easy flat

    plan(hope) is for sub 4.
    everybody needs a plan!
    going to get physio rub down each Tuesday from now until DCM.
    better tell him to go a bit easy on me!

    Which plan is this?

    I don't see the need for hill-running at this stage (DCM is mostly flat, with a few drags). Nor do I see the need for a 20M/32k LSR two weeks out, nor do I see the need to negative-split your long runs. That does not sound like tapering to me at all.

    Why don't you have a look at the boards plan (linked in the opening post) and just follow its last 3 weeks.
    trying to condense a lot in a short space of time.
    I just started training 4 weeks ago.(got a lottery entry)
    had flu over weekend and kicked by 32km run to the kerb slightly(had to walk 5km at end).
    need to make amends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    nop98 wrote: »
    seanin4711 wrote: »
    Monday 12km pacey flat
    Wednesday 12km pacey hills
    Friday 32km LSR neg splits

    final LSR week
    Monday 12km hills flat
    Wednesday 12 km pacey flat
    Friday 21+kms LSR neg splits

    week of DCM
    monday 8km easy flat
    wednesday 6km easy flat
    friday 4/5km easy flat

    plan(hope) is for sub 4.
    everybody needs a plan!
    going to get physio rub down each Tuesday from now until DCM.
    better tell him to go a bit easy on me!

    Which plan is this?

    I don't see the need for hill-running at this stage (DCM is mostly flat, with a few drags). Nor do I see the need for a 20M/32k LSR two weeks out, nor do I see the need to negative-split your long runs. That does not sound like tapering to me at all.

    Why don't you have a look at the boards plan (linked in the opening post) and just follow its last 3 weeks.
    My plan trying to condense a lot in a short space of time.

    not hill running per se, slightly hilly route on the road
    essentially what I am doing is getting mileage up regularly.
    negative splits hasn't happened as yet(probably wont either).

    1 days rest in-between and 2 days rest after LSR.
    I am going to run the LSR's but focus purely on the distance and not time(getting home unscathed).

    I just started training 4 weeks ago.(got a lottery entry)
    had flu over weekend and kicked my 32km run to the kerb slightly(had to walk 5km at end).
    need to make amends.
    would have a decent level of fitness (cycled mizen to malin in 5 days aug 2016 ,gave up running for cycling and now back again)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Coffee Fulled Runner


    Lads not looking good for me. Off all last week but will try a run tonight. Hurt my heel when I hit a pothole last Saturday week and limped home. Fairly depressing, it was this week last year when I injured myself missing dcm15. If I can run it my time will be brutal now so I don't see the point in running it if that's the case. I'll see how it goes this week before I decide what to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭tailgunner


    Lads not looking good for me. Off all last week but will try a run tonight. Hurt my heel when I hit a pothole last Saturday week and limped home. Fairly depressing, it was this week last year when I injured myself missing dcm15. If I can run it my time will be brutal now so I don't see the point in running it if that's the case. I'll see how it goes this week before I decide what to do.

    Ah no, very sorry to hear that. To be honest though, you're at the stage now where the training is done, so you can afford to take a few days off to let it heal without losing any real fitness.

    If I were you, I wouldn't run at all until you're very confident it's sorted. You still have three weeks, so time is on your side. Don't write off the marathon just yet!

    EDIT: Misread your post sorry, thought it was Saturday just gone you hurt the heel. Even still, with the bulk of training behind you, I would just view this period as an extended taper. You might have to adjust your target time a little bit, but no reason you can't still give it a good go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    More LSRs ....

    kabuxa - splendid work. Excellent running, great discipline, great camraderie. And lovely write-up. Top marks.
    Extrasupervery - tentatively positive after last week? Mind that knee, take a few days and really look after yourself. Well done completing the 20-miles - you've all come a long way!
    doozerydoo - good news all around, keep the ship steady and you're looking at a great debut. Well done.
    Smashiner - nice job on the HM PB and educating the locals on all things DCM. Do you recall this great post that DG referred to last year, about Roebuck "Hill"? One of the boards legends wrote about how overrated it is. I am going to try and find it, as it sums it up perfectly. ;)

    and some bad news... :eek:

    Coffee Fulled Runner - ouch ouch! So sorry to read about this. FWIW I second tailgunner's words, you have probably top-3 mileage of everyone on the thread (if not most) so enforced rest, while annoying, might not mean all is lost. Try running a few easy miles when you are pain-free. Don't give up on DCM just yet - even if you have to adjust your timing goals, you can still treat it as a "dress rehearsal" for an attempt in the spring. Hopefully you'll be alright - keep us posted..!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Lads not looking good for me. Off all last week but will try a run tonight. Hurt my heel when I hit a pothole last Saturday week and limped home. Fairly depressing, it was this week last year when I injured myself missing dcm15. If I can run it my time will be brutal now so I don't see the point in running it if that's the case. I'll see how it goes this week before I decide what to do.

    Don't sweat it too much.

    As long as you can recover in time for DCM you will be fine. The one week of missed training won't count for much and won't have much impact on your time.

    I missed 6 weeks (!!!) of training before my goal race last year and still did ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    Week 23 - Irish Runner Plan
    Total: 31.7 miles

    Mon - Rest
    Tue - Pilates, 5k on Treadmill. Hadn't been feeling well since the weekend so kept this one indoors.
    Wed - 7 miles. Really felt rotten on this run so booked doctors for the next morning. Got signed off work for Thurs & Fri, touch of the flu. Doctor said I could keep training but go very easy and rest as much as possible. (my doctor hates runners, I was warned I'll ruin my knees :rolleyes: !)
    Thurs - 4 miles very easy. Non-running boyfriend came with me so had a lot of stop/starts :mad:
    Fri - Gym = stretch & swim
    Sat - attempt at an LSR. (managed 17.2 out of 20 miles.) I'm not sure I can blame my flu for that awful attempt but my heart rate was really high throughout so i think it had some affect. Im still deciding on the distance for next week's LSR, my coach wants me to go for 20 and it's on the Irish runner plan... I'll see health-wise how I'm doing. I finish my antibiotics today so should have a bit more strength in a day or two.
    Sun - Rest

    19 days to go, I hope everyone stays sick and injury - free! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭smashiner


    nop98 wrote: »
    More LSRs ....

    Smashiner - nice job on the HM PB and educating the locals on all things DCM. Do you recall this great post that DG referred to last year, about Roebuck "Hill"? One of the boards legends wrote about how overrated it is. I am going to try and find it, as it sums it up perfectly. ;)

    Coffee Fulled Runner - ouch ouch! So sorry to read about this. FWIW I in the spring. Hopefully you'll be alright - keep us posted..!

    Hi Nop,
    Yes, couldn't agree with you more. Roebuck Road is hyped up a lot and isn't really that bad, it just has a bit of a reputation I feel probably due to the fact that it is well into the race where people are tired. It is a gradual drag and a short ramp at the end, but the good news is that the rest of the course is pretty much downhill and flat on the way back home to that shiny shiny DCM medal!

    Coffee Fulled Runner- Really sorry to hear about your injury, but as others say you have enough miles in the bank to not have to do any real hard sessions and you will probably have a great race anyway.....fingers crossed for you and any other Novices struggling with injuries


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Week 15, HHN1

    Tues: 5.03 mi. Time: 48:18. 9:36 min/mi
    Weds: 10.04 mi. Time: 1:38:08. 9:46 min/mi Avg Pace.
    Thurs: 5.01 mi. Time: 47:47. 9:32 min/mi Avg Pace.
    Sat: 20.05 mi. Time: 3:40:10. 10:59. min/mi Avg Pace. Longest I've run for anything. Happy enough with it overall, soles of the feet did start to talk to me a bit after mile 16 (previous longest lsr was 16 - early Sept?). Had a slight twinge in the right leg around 7pm that evening. Didn't feel it on Sunday.

    Meet up with Maximus Alexander and Pomplamousse. Amongst the topics we discussed were: when did you start running, why do you run, why are you running a marathon? Would you be disappointed if you don't run X time - I won't go into details about how much we discussed about pace...just in case nop had spies in the park. :pac: After all, he put the brakes on that sort of chat a few pages ago. ;) This thread, other threads. :eek: What other posters have ye met? The deer in the park. Mountain running. What are ye going to do after the marathon? How are your legs/feet? Gels and jelly tots. True crime/murder documentaries and podcasts, Game of Thrones. What do ye do in the real world, what have work colleagues said about the marathon? Some of it ---> :mad: Afterwards Max showed us the route on his phone...it was interesting. :pac: I mean, we did go under the M50. :p Oh, will you cry at finishing line was also mentioned. :pac:

    Sun: rest/hospital visit to see a relative.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    nop98 wrote: »
    paddydriver - great work albeit a little far and a little fast. Don't let HSR see it, she'll get the sharp pencils out. You're another fine example of having had a very solid block of training under your belt, the niggles will work themselves out and you'll enjoy the taper. Well done.

    HSR????? I think you mean someone else :confused:.
    In olden times back in 2014 I was the novice getting flak about my L too-fast Rs
    (though I don't really do it any more, at least not too often ... and would *never* do it in marathon training :angel:).

    Enjoy the taper everyone :)!! Lovely race reports from the past weekend. Take care of those legs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Meet up with Maximus Alexander and Pomplamousse. Amongst the topics we discussed were: when did you start running, why do you run, why are you running a marathon? Would you be disappointed if you don't run X time - I won't go into details about how much we discussed about pace...just in case nop had spies in the park. :pac: After all, he put the brakes on that sort of chat a few pages ago. ;) This thread, other threads. :eek: What other posters have ye met? The deer in the park. Mountain running. What are ye going to do after the marathon? How are your legs/feet? Gels and jelly tots. True crime/murder documentaries and podcasts, Game of Thrones. What do ye do in the real world, what have work colleagues said about the marathon? Some of it ---> :mad: Afterwards Max showed us the route on his phone...it was interesting. :pac: I mean, we did go under the M50. :p Oh, will you cry at finishing line was also mentioned. :pac:

    "God I'd hate if we were doing 20 miles today" was another one. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    "God I'd hate if we were doing 20 miles today" was another one. :pac:

    Those long runs really must bring out the meanness in me. Sorry again TBO:pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Meet up with Maximus Alexander and Pomplamousse. Amongst the topics we discussed were: when did you start running, why do you run, why are you running a marathon? Would you be disappointed if you don't run X time - I won't go into details about how much we discussed about pace...just in case nop had spies in the park. :pac: After all, he put the brakes on that sort of chat a few pages ago. ;) This thread, other threads. :eek: What other posters have ye met? The deer in the park. Mountain running. What are ye going to do after the marathon? How are your legs/feet? Gels and jelly tots. True crime/murder documentaries and podcasts, Game of Thrones. What do ye do in the real world, what have work colleagues said about the marathon? Some of it ---> :mad: Afterwards Max showed us the route on his phone...it was interesting. :pac: I mean, we did go under the M50. :p Oh, will you cry at finishing line was also mentioned. :pac:

    Love it! So, what was decided, will you cry at the finishline? :P

    Thanks TBO (and I hope your relative is doing well).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Week 16 - 19 days out. :eek:

    First of all .... Sit back a moment today or tomorrow and review what you have done so far. Re-read your first post this thread, back in the summer, and just think about how far you have come. Go on, do it. It will include 100s of miles (HHN1 covered at least 350M up to now, and Boards 500 or more). You've probably clipped off a few cheeky PBs along the way. Unless you've been very lucky, you've nursed niggles or real injuries back to health, you've probably suffered at the hands of physio or physical therapist. We've seen some great marathon debuts already, and we've seen others drop out due to various reasons. You've had annoying online 'mentors' telling you to get to bed early, lay-off the booze and eat your greens. Many unsociable hours, in wind and rain (and some sunshine, in fairness). But ...

    You're almost there!

    Last week LSR was, in most cases, your last of the very long training runs you'll do before the big day. A sigh of collective relief! The next priority is to get you to the starting line in as good a shape as possible. The last phase of the training program is about to start [que dramatic music]... It's time to taper!

    There are many online resources available to help you understand the tapering process, written by far more knowledgeable folks than me. In summary:
    • The reason to taper is to allow the body to recover as much as it can from all the hard, unforgiving hours on the pavements, and give your muscles need time to repair, to store and top-up their glycogen stores. You probably can do with a break from these 3+hour runs, and your immune system will thank you for a chance to top itself up, too.
    • The challenge is to maintain fitness while doing so. Tapering doesn't mean "sit on the couch and eat snacks all day". Like all training plans, the version of HHN1 and Boards we're following here are designed to keep you ticking over at just the right level, in terms of miles and frequency.
    • The methodology is really quite simple. (1) Stick with your weekly routine but (2) reduce the intensity and volume. I would recommend you doing your weekly runs at exactly the same days\times you have been doing so far (insofar possible) - but just a lower amount of miles.
    The article kin9pin referred to earlier in the week (links below) had a great quote: you can only do too much at this point. This sums it up for me - but obviously, you can also do too little. I would interpret the quote as: stick to the plan, even tho you feel you have a lot more in the tank. Imagine how you have trained your body to carry you for hours on end, so it's manically preparing for the next onslaught. The taper will give it time to do that, while you keep it ticking over. If you train too hard during the taper, you simply won't have given it time to be in top-shape on the day that matters most.

    Let's look at the mileage planned for this week:

    Boards: 5M | 5M | 5M | 14M LSR | 3M rec
    HHN1: 5M | 8M | 4M | 12M LSR | (3M rec)

    Isn't it funny that clocking up a 12/14M is considered an easy workout these days? That's testament to all your hard work :pac:

    Before you think by yourself "this is easy!" - and I hope it will be easy for you - tapering has some side-effects, and most of this is between the ears. The most important thing is to stick to your training plan, like you have been doing for the past 15 weeks, and to trust that the taper will have its beneficial effects on you - even though it might not feel like it.
    • Trust the plan. You might feel antsy about the reduced mileage. You might want to "give it a good lash" when out for an easy 5-miler. Don't. You can't cram for the marathon like you can do for an exam.
    • Keep up the good work in terms of sleep, food, hydration (there he goes again). You will be amazed how much difference these little details will make on the day.
    • Stay away from weighing scales during the taper. :) No, really.
    • Don't do any mad sh*t. No five-a-side, no spinning, no cheeky races, no hard circuits classes. No moving houses, no "nice long walks up the mountains", no 5-day cycling tours. Be sensible and save those legs.
    • You have probably used the "but I'm training for a marathon" excuse a lot over the past few months. Don't hesitate to use it again :rolleyes:;)
    • Don't worry / stress about the big day too much. Yes, read up on course-profiles, race-reports, and plan for the day itself (we'll get to that). But, don't spend too much energy worrying about it. If anything bothers you about it, post it here and trust that you'll get an answer.
    • Enjoy the extra time you have in your week. Take the kids swimming or treat that long-neglected better half to a nice dinner.

    Once again, remember how far you have become, and keep your eye on the ball for a few more weeks. You are all awesome! and bar some unfortunate last-minute niggles / injuries, most of you have every reason to be looking forward to a great debut. Just keep your cool for the next 3 weeks. :rolleyes:

    Some excellent reading on the taper (you can find tons of stuff online, feel free to read it all, as long as you don't follow their suggested training plans!):

    http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/4-steps-to-your-perfect-marathon-taper
    http://www.runnersworld.com/tag/tapering


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 faithmc


    Hi all,

    Congrats on all your last long runs at the weekend. Hope ye came thru them fighting fit. Have to say I was full of mixed emotion over the weekend but most of all yesterday. I had been so looking forward to the 3/4 yesterday so was devastated to have to pull out (esp when I heard the tee-shirt was purple...my fave colour!!!) My hubby decided last minute obvs to do a local 10 mile event so there was a mixture of jealousy at him running with my running buddies and pride as it was his 1st 10 mile event after only once running 7 miles a few weeks back.

    The foot had niggles all weekend so kept listening to my head and icing and resting it. I decided last night come hell or high water I was going out this morning. I just had to know how I would or could I run on it and how I would recover. Started off with discomfort but the longer I went the more the discomfort vanished. I noticed on uneven ground I felt it more. Stopped at 5km and all was good. Discomfort present but not pain. Got home. Straight on ice pack. Three hours post run now and still feeling good. Will continue to ice but sooooooooooooo happy to have taken the bull by the horns and gotten a good result. Have physio booked for this Thursday so will go out again tomorrow and hope for the same result. Working Wednesday so that'll be a rest day. Play it by ear thereafter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭kabuxa


    nop98 wrote:
    kabuxa - splendid work. Excellent running, great discipline, great camraderie. And lovely write-up. Top marks.

    Thanks a lot!! It was great.. now I am paying for it ;0D but will be fine soon!

    It kind of gave reassurance that I could run it all the way and actually finish it.

    Roll on the tapering!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    My last couple of 30km long runs my calf starts to give me bother/cramp.Any tips or advice on how to treat if it happens during the big day (I am a marathon virgin ) and getting worried about it .

    Thanks and apologies if off thread a bit !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Hi everyone, I'm one of last years graduates and successfully ran DCM last year, almost side by side with Nop98 without ever actually meeting him :( neither of us know how we didn't meet because we were definitely in the same group for some time - it must have been our serious focus. I've ben popping in now and again to see how everyone is progressing and wow, you've all done an incredible job of sticking to your respective plans. Of course Nop98 has done an amazing job of mentoring you all and getting you to this point - take a bow Nop.

    The hard work is done now so try to enjoy the taper, it's difficult because you start to focus on the race a bit more. Take heed to what Nop98 has outlined above, the work is done, there is nothing that you can do between now and the start line that will make you go any faster other than to taper and rest. Take the opportunity to spend more time with your families and go to the cinema, do all the fun things that you've sacrificed to get you to this point.

    Tapering is tough, they don't call it taper madness for no reason :) I recall feeling many niggles, phantom pains, doubts, fear and many other emotions.

    To those of you with niggles, there's still time before the big day to get yourself sorted - you may get a cold or a niggle between now and then but deal with it as best you can and reassess in a week or so. I got a infection in my wisdom tooth two weeks before the marathon last year, I wasn't able to run and convinced myself that I was out but I took the anti-biotics, kept the faith and got to the start line.

    I'll pop back in every day and help in any way that I can between now and then :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    andrew1977 wrote: »
    My last couple of 30km long runs my calf starts to give me bother/cramp.Any tips or advice on how to treat if it happens during the big day (I am a marathon virgin ) and getting worried about it .

    Thanks and apologies if off thread a bit !

    Have you been drinking enough water, keeping hydrated and getting some salt and electrolytes during your long runs? Zero tablets are great to pop into water during a run. I had three of them in my pocket during DCM last year and popped them in the bottles of water.

    A deficiency in magnesium can also cause cramping. It might be worth popping two every night before you go to bed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    faithmc wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Congrats on all your last long runs at the weekend. Hope ye came thru them fighting fit. Have to say I was full of mixed emotion over the weekend but most of all yesterday. I had been so looking forward to the 3/4 yesterday so was devastated to have to pull out (esp when I heard the tee-shirt was purple...my fave colour!!!) My hubby decided last minute obvs to do a local 10 mile event so there was a mixture of jealousy at him running with my running buddies and pride as it was his 1st 10 mile event after only once running 7 miles a few weeks back.

    The foot had niggles all weekend so kept listening to my head and icing and resting it. I decided last night come hell or high water I was going out this morning. I just had to know how I would or could I run on it and how I would recover. Started off with discomfort but the longer I went the more the discomfort vanished. I noticed on uneven ground I felt it more. Stopped at 5km and all was good. Discomfort present but not pain. Got home. Straight on ice pack. Three hours post run now and still feeling good. Will continue to ice but sooooooooooooo happy to have taken the bull by the horns and gotten a good result. Have physio booked for this Thursday so will go out again tomorrow and hope for the same result. Working Wednesday so that'll be a rest day. Play it by ear thereafter.

    Hey faithmc - sounds good (your planned action for the week ahead). Take it very easy for the week ahead, it's more important to get fully healed than to get additional miles in the legs. Or even kilometers. Good luck with the physio and keep us posted!
    andrew1977 wrote: »
    My last couple of 30km long runs my calf starts to give me bother/cramp.Any tips or advice on how to treat if it happens during the big day (I am a marathon virgin ) and getting worried about it .

    Thanks and apologies if off thread a bit !
    Neady83 wrote: »
    Have you been drinking enough water, keeping hydrated and getting some salt and electrolytes during your long runs? Zero tablets are great to pop into water during a run. I had three of them in my pocket during DCM last year and popped them in the bottles of water.

    A deficiency in magnesium can also cause cramping. It might be worth popping two every night before you go to bed.

    +1 to this - thanks Neady. Are you running a lot of hills? That doesn't help. I had similar issues last year but opted to wear compression socks in the last few weeks and on the day itself. It helped for calf-cramps on the day itself (never got them). I also think TFB uses them for the same reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    Neady83 wrote: »
    Have you been drinking enough water, keeping hydrated and getting some salt and electrolytes during your long runs? Zero tablets are great to pop into water during a run. I had three of them in my pocket during DCM last year and popped them in the bottles of water.

    A deficiency in magnesium can also cause cramping. It might be worth popping two every night before you go to bed.

    Thank you for the reply. I suppose I havent drank that much water on the long runs, normally hydrate well the day or two before. I have the zero tabs, normally sip away on one pre run and after run.Will bring a couple for the big day, just concerned of mixing them with the gels incase I get sick.
    Will pop the chemist tomorrow for the magnesium tablets , anything which may help I will use.
    Thanks again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Safrongirl


    Question for you Nop - a lot of people have mentioned getting a massage now - do you think it's a good idea and why would you have one now ?

    Have decided to do 25km this Thursday instead of my plans 30km

    Have a very tight left quad so foam rolling like a nut but may need some needling this weekend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Well done everyone on your long runs and enjoy the taper. For those of you like me following Dave Carries plan you don't taper for another week don't start doubting your plan and comparing to what everyone else is doing stick with your plan trust your plan it was the same last year so don't panic. Get yourself a sports massage flush out the legs and mind yourself over the next few weeks. Eat well rest well keep stretching. Stay positive nop will keep you on the straight and narrow over the next 3 weeks to help you with your goals and give you all the checklists for the big day. Give yourself a pat on the back for getting this far it's a huge achievement for you. You will meet great friends through this journey and many more running journeys ahead of you. I was able to call upon some of the novices from last year to help me on my long runs this year. As some of the other graduates have said already post up any of your questions over the next few weeks we are all lurking around only too happy to help and share our experience from last year. There are a few of us going again so it can't have been too bad :) happy running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Safrongirl wrote: »
    Question for you Nop - a lot of people have mentioned getting a massage now - do you think it's a good idea and why would you have one now ?

    Have decided to do 25km this Thursday instead of my plans 30km

    Have a very tight left quad so foam rolling like a nut but may need some needling this weekend

    I've been getting a sports massage every 4 weeks since training started as the long runs increased so did the sports massage it's helps where stretching or foam rolling might not. It's a good idea to get one before dcm but not the day before a few days before is better. Legs will feel fresh afterwards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Mrs Mc wrote: »
    It's a good idea to get one before dcm but not the day before a few days before is better. Legs will feel fresh afterwards.

    +1 to this I generally advise clients to try and book atleast 72 hours before target race. Without going into the nitty gritty of muscle tension and neurological and hormonal changes, the bottom line is you can feel a little bit lethargic post massage and don't get the full benefits till roughly 24-48 hours depending on the person. If its your first massage also would advise the 72 hours just as a precaution as these effects differ from person to person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Safrongirl wrote: »
    Question for you Nop - a lot of people have mentioned getting a massage now - do you think it's a good idea and why would you have one now ?

    Have decided to do 25km this Thursday instead of my plans 30km

    Have a very tight left quad so foam rolling like a nut but may need some needling this weekend


    Think of it like an NCT

    Therapists will be able to loosen out area's where you are feeling tight, but the benefit is they usually can spot the underlying issue which might be causing the tightness (alot of the time the area you are feeling it is not the area causing the problem)

    If you are getting needling done however this can be used as a more invasive version of many massage techniques, they can often overlap in terms of results usual the biggest difference is the amount of work needed to be done manually through more superficial techniques (sometimes therapists will use needling simply because it's easier to get results/ easier for them in terms of work effort)

    Physical/Sports/Physiotherapists are like finding your match in marriage - If you can find one you trust and will get you through the hard times, never let them go :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Checkpoint! Do you realize that..:

    (a) There will be > 19,000 participants of DCM this year. Do you need hotel accommodation for the weekend? Close to Merrion Square? Then I suggest you get booking a.s.a.p.

    (b) You need to pick-up your race-bib the day(s) before the marathon in the RDS? The Marathon Expo is on Friday (12-7pm) and Saturday (9am-7pm). The marathon is on Sunday. There are no exceptions to this.

    (c) You need to be in town on Oct 30 well before 9am. Let's just say 8am at the very latest! The DART does NOT go that early (the LUAS does - but not that frequent at that time, plus there'll be a good walk). Do you know how you'll get to Merrion Square, that morning, on time?

    (d) You know the time of your starting wave, right? ;) Just checkin'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Pomplamousse


    I went for an hour long sports massage today. I was expecting it to be painful but holy mother of fudge, I wasnt expecting it to be that bad. My legs must be in an awful state, even my "good" leg. Hopefully they're feeling rejuvinated in the next few days. Already have a massive bruise coming up on one part of leg:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭A Neurotic


    I went for an hour long sports massage today. I was expecting it to be painful but holy mother of fudge, I wasnt expecting it to be that bad. My legs must be in an awful state, even my "good" leg. Hopefully they're feeling rejuvinated in the next few days. Already have a massive bruise coming up on one part of leg:(

    Holy crap, an hour? I wasn't sure I'd survive my 20 minute one...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,359 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Neady83 wrote: »
    (c) You need to be in town on Oct 30 well before 9am. Let's just say 8am at the very latest! The DART does NOT go that early (the LUAS does - but not that frequent at that time, plus there'll be a good walk). Do you know how you'll get to Merrion Square, that morning, on time?

    Does anybody know what the story is with buses during the marathon, are they rerouted or suspended due to road closures?


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