Father jailed for raping son.

Grayson · 10-10-2016 03:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What makes you think it was one of the foster parents. It could have been one of the other kids or a neighbour or family friend.

True. The people I knew only ever had one child at a time though so I guess I was assuming that it's always that way.

Ralf and Florian · 10-10-2016 03:11PM

riffmongous wrote: »

I'd guess it was anther foster child at the home maybe?

That journal link above is a very bizarre read

Bizarre doesn't even begin to describe it.A lot of the original charges were withdrawn towards the end of the trial I see.

http://www.thejournal.ie/charges-waterford-child-abuse-2772834-May2016/

somesoldiers · 10-10-2016 03:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There was a case in the UK involving the singer of some rock band a number of years ago. He managed to convince, I'm not sure if that's the right word, the mother of a small child to allow him to abuse him/her.

I believe there is something very damaged about those women. Deluded to the point of no return. Then there are the women who turn a blind eye to the abuse carried out by their husbands. Who stand by them till the end. One possible explaination is that to accept the reality of the situation would render their whole lives a lie.

Lost Prophets, sickening story also

HensVassal · 10-10-2016 03:25PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Most likely the dirty ****ing scumbag **** was the sweet little soul sixty years ago.

I was thinking this. The victim of this abuse is in care right now, but if and when the time comes could he himself, due to the horrific ordeal he was put through, become an abuser and a sadist? Could there be such a level of PTSD there that he too becomes a violent predator?

helimachoptor · 10-10-2016 03:27PM

Kill him and do it slowly.

hairyslug · 10-10-2016 03:34PM

Grayson wrote: »

How does that happen? I know someone who was a foster parent. They had to jump through hoops to do it. They were thoroughly assessed.

Was there not a story not to long ago of a foster family who had taken in (can't remember full details) a girl with learning difficulties, she was abused by the father, she was removed from the family when a SW became concerned and for her to be returned soon after and the cycle to continue.

HensVassal · 10-10-2016 03:35PM

s4uv3 wrote: »

Doesn't matter to me. Being the victim of abuse yourself does not, under any circumstances, give you an excuse to repeat what was done to you. I realise it happens, but it's no excuse.

A mind that has been so badly damaged is possibly going to result in the person engaging in deviant and/or violent behavoir. That person mightn't see it as wrong, such is the extent of the damage.

I don't think anyone would excuse the behaviour per se but abuse leading to abuse is certainly and explanation.

HensVassal · 10-10-2016 03:40PM

Grayson wrote: »

How does that happen? I know someone who was a foster parent. They had to jump through hoops to do it. They were thoroughly assessed.

It would seem that some of these abusive foster parents are masters of deception and duplicity.

ThinkProgress · 10-10-2016 03:41PM

From reading this case, it's hard to shake the feeling that this boy has a touch of the storyteller about him... but then perhaps if he was abused, maybe it fcuked with his mind quite a bit.

If it's true that the father did even a fraction of the stuff mentioned... prison really is too good for him.

I would be in favor of throwing these types into the wolf/tiger enclosures at Dublin zoo around feeding time covered in blood, and simply let nature do it's thing. To call these abusers animals, is an insult to animals...

Ralf and Florian · 10-10-2016 03:53PM

The child was with two sets of foster parents.The first where he was abused and the second where it seems that he confided in the allegations about the father.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0520/789848-court-abuse/

HS3 · 10-10-2016 03:57PM

HensVassal wrote: »

pickarooney wrote: »

Most likely the dirty ****ing scumbag **** was the sweet little soul sixty years ago.

I was thinking this. The victim of this abuse is in care right now, but if and when the time comes could he himself, due to the horrific ordeal he was put through, become an abuser and a sadist? Could there be such a level of PTSD there that he too becomes a violent predator?

No. Not every one who is abused turns into an abuser or a violent predator.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-10-2016 03:58PM

Deleted User wrote:

Ah I see the mother's previous partner was also abusive. The mothers in these awful cases interest me. How some of them collude and also take part in the abuse of their children is just baffling.

That's a fascinating point. I heard about an interesting case in a forensic setting. A convicted sex offender is being prepared for transition from forensic unit, into the community under supervision. One of the members of his care team had to be moved because she became romantically attracted to him!

How could you know someone had a history as a sex offender and become attracted to them? Knowing that someone's a sex offender produces feelings of revulsion in most people.

Musketeer4 · 10-10-2016 04:04PM

WTF? I hope that person was sacked from their job and struck off from their profession.
To do something like that demonstrates a collossal lack of professional judgement to say the least.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-10-2016 04:09PM

s4uv3 wrote:

He wants to appeal too. Dirty fcuking scumbag cnut. I hope that sweet little soul that he destroyed is now getting the care and love that he deserves and needs, to give him the best life possible.

pickarooney wrote:

Most likely the dirty ****ing scumbag **** was the sweet little soul sixty years ago.

This is the point that's so often overlooked in these cases.

The same poster declares the victim's life 'destroyed' and then makes the following statement.

s4uv3 wrote:

Doesn't matter to me. Being the victim of abuse yourself does not, under any circumstances, give you an excuse to repeat what was done to you. I realise it happens, but it's no excuse.

I certainly wouldn't try to excuse any sexual abuse but if you think his life is destroyed, then isn't it at least a mitigating factors?

HensVassal wrote:

I was thinking this. The victim of this abuse is in care right now, but if and when the time comes could he himself, due to the horrific ordeal he was put through, become an abuser and a sadist? Could there be such a level of PTSD there that he too becomes a violent predator?

Unfortunately this is almost always the case. I know someone who works in a forensic setting with a lot of sexual abusers. In almost all cases the abuser was a victim of abuse as a child. Some people have a vastly different idea of what 'normal' behaviour is.

Some people grow up as children thinking it's normal to be abused. Those people grow up and pay it forward to someone else.

It's a bloody sad cycle. I'm so glad I was never subjected to any of that as a child.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-10-2016 04:32PM

Musketeer4 wrote:

WTF? I hope that person was sacked from their job and struck off from their profession. To do something like that demonstrates a collossal lack of professional judgement to say the least.

What are you talking about?

mzungu · 10-10-2016 04:39PM

In cases like these, the perpetrator should never see the outside of a prison again. 14 years, for a crime of that severity, is not enough.

HS3 · 10-10-2016 04:56PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

s4uv3 wrote:

He wants to appeal too. Dirty fcuking scumbag cnut. I hope that sweet little soul that he destroyed is now getting the care and love that he deserves and needs, to give him the best life possible.

pickarooney wrote:

Most likely the dirty ****ing scumbag **** was the sweet little soul sixty years ago.

This is the point that's so often overlooked in these cases.

The same poster declares the victim's life 'destroyed' and then makes the following statement.

s4uv3 wrote:

Doesn't matter to me. Being the victim of abuse yourself does not, under any circumstances, give you an excuse to repeat what was done to you. I realise it happens, but it's no excuse.

I certainly wouldn't try to excuse any sexual abuse but if you think his life is destroyed, then isn't it at least a mitigating factors?

HensVassal wrote:

I was thinking this. The victim of this abuse is in care right now, but if and when the time comes could he himself, due to the horrific ordeal he was put through, become an abuser and a sadist? Could there be such a level of PTSD there that he too becomes a violent predator?

Unfortunately this is almost always the case. I know someone who works in a forensic setting with a lot of sexual abusers. In almost all cases the abuser was a victim of abuse as a child. Some people have a vastly different idea of what 'normal' behaviour is.

Some people grow up as children thinking it's normal to be abused. Those people grow up and pay it forward to someone else.

It's a bloody sad cycle. I'm so glad I was never subjected to any of that as a child.

I'd seriously question your friends conclusions. Child sexual abuse has so many facets to it, it would be incorrect to say in almost almost cases the abusers were abused themselves. There are some and certainly you do here it reported in cases where the abuser has said they have been abused themselves. But not all abusers have been abused and certainly not all who have been abused have the propensity to become an abuser. A lot develop into perfectly well functioning adults

foggy_lad · 10-10-2016 04:59PM

Grayson wrote: »

How does that happen? I know someone who was a foster parent. They had to jump through hoops to do it. They were thoroughly assessed.

Many"foster homes" are more like childrens homes/orphanages and many have upwards of 6 foster children and are run for profit.

MrDiyFan · 10-10-2016 05:01PM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Cases like this make me long for capital punishment. The abuser will never offer anything to society aside from a bill to feed him and watch him

Capital punishment is more expensive than life without parole in the US.

HensVassal · 10-10-2016 05:23PM

HS3 wrote: »

No. Not every one who is abused turns into an abuser or a violent predator.

I never suggested that they did, but would most abusers have been victims of abuse?

El_Duderino 09 · 10-10-2016 05:50PM

HS3 wrote:

I'd seriously question your friends conclusions. Child sexual abuse has so many facets to it, it would be incorrect to say in almost almost cases the abusers were abused themselves.

Well it is what she says and she works with these people. Are you bashing your assertion on better experience than that?

HS3 wrote:

There are some and certainly you do here it reported in cases where the abuser has said they have been abused themselves. But not all abusers have been abused and certainly not all who have been abused have the propensity to become an abuser. A lot develop into perfectly well functioning adults

I wouldn't mind what you hear in he public domain. She works with them from a professional perspective. They build case files including input from prosecution services, police, child protection services, health care professionals like psychiatrists and psychologists, and any residential institutions the perpetrator has been involved with.

It's her assessment that almost all the perpetrators she comes into contact with, have themselves been a victim of abuse. Maybe you have different experience to her.

Abuse in this context means both abuse and neglect. So it includes sexual/physical abuse and serious neglect. Both skew the victim's ideas of 'normal'. That's why these cases are so fascinating. What appears abhorrent to you and me, is within he realm of 'normal' to someone else.

eviltwin · 10-10-2016 05:58PM

HensVassal wrote: »

I never suggested that they did, but would most abusers have been victims of abuse?

Not always but they would have warped views on sex and sexuality and would probably have been exposed to abuse or graphic sex at an age where they became completely desensitized

Summer wind · 10-10-2016 06:02PM

It said in the report that this evil bastard made the little boy have sex with his own mother. How in the name of Jesus was he only sentenced to 14 years?

HS3 · 10-10-2016 06:12PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

HS3 wrote:

I'd seriously question your friends conclusions. Child sexual abuse has so many facets to it, it would be incorrect to say in almost almost cases the abusers were abused themselves.

Well it is what she says and she works with these people. Are you bashing your assertion on better experience than that?

HS3 wrote:

There are some and certainly you do here it reported in cases where the abuser has said they have been abused themselves. But not all abusers have been abused and certainly not all who have been abused have the propensity to become an abuser. A lot develop into perfectly well functioning adults

I wouldn't mind what you hear in he public domain. She works with them from a professional perspective. They build case files including input from prosecution services, police, child protection services, health care professionals like psychiatrists and psychologists, and any residential institutions the perpetrator has been involved with.

It's her assessment that almost all the perpetrators she comes into contact with, have themselves been a victim of abuse. Maybe you have different experience to her.

Abuse in this context means both abuse and neglect. So it includes sexual/physical abuse and serious neglect. Both skew the victim's ideas of 'normal'. That's why these cases are so fascinating. What appears abhorrent to you and me, is within he realm of 'normal' to someone else.

how can it be possible that almost all have been abused? There are so many different forms and causes of child sex abuse that it couldn't mean almost all we're abused. I would say I am coming at it from a different perspective to your friend alright. But if your friend carries out these assessments and has such an in depth knowledge of it, I find that remark fairly strange.

Having said that, perhaps in these case you're right, and I agree, depending on the degree of the abuse and the personal make up of the abused their idea of 'normal' can be skewed, but in general it's quite different to what you read in the papers .

pc7 · 10-10-2016 06:14PM

I hope that mans life is made a living fooking hell in prison day and night. I can't believe what he put that poor child through, absolutely horrendous. I know it's naive but I wish I hadn't listened to it on the news. I just hope the child can get the help and build a life with some happiness in the future.

Chocolate girl · 10-10-2016 06:25PM

I hope that child gets all the help he needs to get though this horrific ordeal and I hope that bastard gets everything he deserves in prison.

Spanish Eyes · 10-10-2016 06:29PM

Sadly fourteen years is probably less than the time the child was subjected to abuse.

Are these people psychiatrically damaged themselves, and if so, how do they escape notice?

Or are they just BAD?

Is it a control thing?

Is it manipulation on a depraved scale?

No one seems to know why these men (mostly) engage in these awful acts towards their own children. Just sickens me.

But it is still going on as we speak sadly. The prevalence of paedophilia and incest is just beyond belief.

pc7 · 10-10-2016 06:29PM

Hope the mother (don't even want to call her that), gets a similar sentence. Or whatever the maximum allowed is.

lawlolawl · 10-10-2016 06:31PM

pc7 wrote: »

I hope that mans life is made a living fooking hell in prison day and night. I can't believe what he put that poor child through, absolutely horrendous. I know it's naive but I wish I hadn't listened to it on the news. I just hope the child can get the help and build a life with some happiness in the future.

Not a bit of it.

He'll be kept with the rest of the sex offenders in a nice quiet wing with zero threat of anything untoward happening to him.

He'll get the best of medical care, 3 square meals and pretty much anything he wants to address his "needs".

He'll more than likely have a considerably better life than his victim will.

Spanish Eyes · 10-10-2016 06:33PM

Arbour Hill for him. In with his mates who have done similar. Not a chance they would be in with the general prison population.

I know someone who worked there. Said these were "model prisoners" because in their eyes they were innocent, and not the "Criminal type" at all.

Co operated with everything, no troubles.

I just hope they had no internet access.

Father jailed for raping son.

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