UK Votes to leave EU

tomwaterford · 08-10-2016 11:10PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Britain won't be negotiating with BMW/VW and french cheese/wine makers. The tail won't wag the dog. If anything it would be in the EU's interests to see Britain suffer economically, at least in the short term, so that other countries have an example of how you can't have your cake and eat it.

Cannot see the eu making Britain suffer.....however I can see little grounds as to what concessions they can presume to get as Putin more or less said a long while back its small island globally

Junkyard Tom · 08-10-2016 11:15PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Cannot see the eu making Britain suffer.....however I can see little grounds as to what concessions they can presume to get as Putin more or less said a long while back its small island globally

If Britain doesn't feel consequences then the EU is essentially finished. The French, German, Spanish and Italian nationalists will see a good example and will rally plenty of support to follow it.

maryishere · 08-10-2016 11:16PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If anything it would be in the EU's interests to see Britain suffer economically,

No it is not as the UK spends so much on German cars, French wine, Spanish and continental holidays etc. Spain for example has 26% unemployment - that would be a lot worse but for the fact the UK are the biggest group (by passport / nationality) of foreign tourists to Spain. The economy in Spain is bad enough as it is, it would be dire without the UK, or if the UK was made "to suffer economically."
The UK will be free to do their own trade deals with the rest of the world ; because of that they will succeed, not unlike how Singapore has.

maryishere · 08-10-2016 11:18PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If Britain doesn't feel consequences then the EU is essentially finished.

It is finished anyway. Too much unsustainable debt.

tomwaterford · 08-10-2016 11:19PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If Britain doesn't feel consequences then the EU is essentially finished. The French, German, Spanish and Italian nationalists will see a good example and will rally plenty of support to follow it.

Hmm....it's a union not a prison. ....if folks wanna leave let them

All them countries need each other to a large extent....the biggest threat of leaving would be eastern European countries if the money for farmibg grants etc dry up

tomwaterford · 08-10-2016 11:23PM

maryishere wrote: »

No it is not as the UK spends so much on German cars, French wine, Spanish and continental holidays etc. Spain for example has 26% unemployment - that would be a lot worse but for the fact the UK are the biggest group (by passport / nationality) of foreign tourists to Spain. The economy in Spain is bad enough as it is, it would be dire without the UK, or if the UK was made "to suffer economically."
The UK will be free to do their own trade deals with the rest of the world ; because of that they will succeed, not unlike how Singapore has.

And all those German cars are about to become alot more expensive to buy/maintain aswell

Though if/when the next euro crisis occurs the negotiations with the UK will be thrown aside as it'll be not as important tbh

Junkyard Tom · 08-10-2016 11:23PM

maryishere wrote: »

No it is not as the UK spends so much on .

You seem to be of the silly opinion that the world's biggest common market needs Britain more than Britain needs the world's biggest common market.

maryishere wrote: »

It is finished anyway. Too much unsustainable debt.

Is Britain finished too seeing as it has a similar debt-to-GDP-ratio as the EU or are you singing that same old tune everyone is fed up of hearing?

*whistles Rule Britannia*

maryishere · 08-10-2016 11:56PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

seeing as it has a similar debt-to-GDP-ratio as the EU

Not surprising after all the hundreds of billions is has pumped in to the EEc / Ec / EU over the decades - it and Germany were the 2 biggest contributes to EC / EU funds. No wonder they wanted to leave.;);)

maryishere · 08-10-2016 11:58PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You seem to be of the silly opinion that the world's biggest common market needs Britain more than Britain needs the world's biggest common market.

The EU has the slowest growth of anywhere in the world - its a burden the UK was getting fed up carrying.

tomwaterford · 08-10-2016 11:58PM

maryishere wrote: »

Not surprising after all the hundreds of billions is has pumped in to the EEc / Ec / EU over the decades - it and Germany were the 2 biggest contributes to EC / EU funds. No wonder they wanted to leave.;);)

All if this is avoidance. ...if the euro is finished due to too much debt and Britain has similar levels of debt to gdp ratios

Surly by your logic sterling is fcuked???

greendom · 09-10-2016 12:02AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Cannot see the eu making Britain suffer.....however I can see little grounds as to what concessions they can presume to get as Putin more or less said a long while back its small island globally

For the preservation of the organisation, the EU has no choice but to make a hard Brexit tough on the UK.

maryishere · 09-10-2016 12:02AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Is Britain finished too seeing as it has a similar debt-to-GDP-ratio as the EU

Have you a source for that as the latest data on wiki suggests EC debt is far higher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt#/media/File:Government_debt_gdp.jpg

maryishere · 09-10-2016 12:04AM

greendom wrote: »

For the preservation of the organisation, the EU has no choice but to make a hard Brexit tough on the UK.

It will be begging the UK for a financial hand out same as we begged the UK / EU / IMF for money not too many years ago. ...when nobody else would lend us money.

tomwaterford · 09-10-2016 12:08AM

maryishere wrote: »

It will be begging the UK for a financial hand out same as we begged the UK / EU / IMF for money not too many years ago. ...when nobody else would lend us money.

Much like the UK went to the imf aswell??

The UK hasnt the money or need to bail out the eu
As it stands they can't afford to run themselves at the min :pac:

Junkyard Tom · 09-10-2016 12:09AM

maryishere wrote: »

Have you a source for that as the latest data on wiki suggests EC debt is far higher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt#/media/File:Government_debt_gdp.jpg

I'm not getting sources for someone who ignores requests to provide them to me when asked. If I'm wrong you do the work to show it.

catbear · 09-10-2016 12:10AM

greendom wrote: »

For the preservation of the organisation, the EU has no choice but to make a hard Brexit tough on the UK.

But that's what they want. It's not about economics, it's about sovereignty and the UK wants to knock North Korea off the top of the sovereignty ranking.

Junkyard Tom · 09-10-2016 12:11AM

maryishere wrote: »

we begged the UK / EU / IMF for money not too many years ago.

Speak for yourself. If many of us had our way the British banks would have lost a multiple of what they 'loaned' us.

tomwaterford · 09-10-2016 12:12AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'm not getting sources for someone who ignores requests to provide them to me when asked. If I'm wrong you do the work to show it.

That link contains no figures for the eu As a whole :rolleyes:....I've seen it before

It's amusing to see how far someone will try bluff when they won't even read the links they provide

greendom · 09-10-2016 12:12AM

maryishere wrote: »

It will be begging the UK for a financial hand out same as we begged the UK / EU / IMF for money not too many years ago. ...when nobody else would lend us money.

Average debt of EU countries is approx 85%. The UK is at 90%. Why would the EU go to the UK for a bail out ! When the UK leaves the EU debt % could actually drop !

09-10-2016 12:14AM

It was the empty heads who voted to leave the E.U......and it will be the empty heads who will pay the price

greendom · 09-10-2016 12:16AM

catbear wrote: »

But that's what they want. It's not about economics, it's about sovereignty and the UK wants to knock North Korea off the top of the sovereignty ranking.

Absolutely. Giving the UK a favourable Brexit would lead to other EU countries thinking of going the same way. It would also mean that non EU countries would expect a similar deal to the UKs.

the evasion_kid · 09-10-2016 12:50AM

greendom wrote: »

Absolutely. Giving the UK a favourable Brexit would lead to other EU countries thinking of going the same way. It would also mean that non EU countries would expect a similar deal to the UKs.

Bit of an oul hotel California this EU...

Irish Praetorian · 09-10-2016 12:56AM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Bit of an oul hotel California this EU...

Well Britain can leave the EU but it remains a European state in so many ways and it's policies will continue to be determined by that reality.

the evasion_kid · 09-10-2016 12:58AM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Well Britain can leave the EU but it remains a European state in so many ways and it's policies will continue to be determined by that reality.

I just find it odd that people would champion on something like that..

maryishere · 09-10-2016 01:00AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

If I'm wrong you do the work to show it.

Yes you are wrong, not for the first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt#/media/File:Government_debt_gdp.jpg

GreenFolder2 · 09-10-2016 01:00AM

I'm getting fed up with the whole thing!

We're only *just* over the 2007/8 meltdown and things were looking good and among came the Brexiteers with lots of bluster and no plan.

How the hell are you supposed to run a business in this stupid part of the world?

Just seems we've gone from reasonable run of stability to just crisis after critics.
I suspect we are on our way towards being more like Latin America.

youreadthat · 09-10-2016 01:03AM

catbear wrote: »

But that's what they want. It's not about economics, it's about sovereignty and the UK wants to knock North Korea off the top of the sovereignty ranking.

I think it's the density ranking that worries most people. I doubt Ireland would vote for gaining England's population density.....

Junkyard Tom · 09-10-2016 01:06AM

maryishere wrote: »

Yes you are wrong, not for the first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt#/media/File:Government_debt_gdp.jpg

How exactly am I wrong? Produce the figures instead of linking to some random source. Prove me wrong definitely instead of the usual doublespeak and bait and switch.

tomwaterford · 09-10-2016 01:07AM

maryishere wrote: »

Yes you are wrong, not for the first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt#/media/File:Government_debt_gdp.jpg

And still no list for the eu/euro zone

.
Try again

maryishere · 09-10-2016 01:09AM

youreadthat wrote: »

I think it's the density ranking that worries most people. I doubt Ireland would vote for gaining England's population density.....

Correct, and Merkel inviting another million economic migrants (refugees) in to the EC - many of whom would want to settle in the UK , along with another million family members - was the straw that broke the camels back.

UK Votes to leave EU

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