I left money at an ATM and it was taken!

Spanish Eyes · 04-10-2016 06:19PM

fin12 wrote: »

His money was stolen because the person who took the money knew that that was not their money. Any decent person would hand it back into the bank.

No not the bank, the Garda Station.

Banks gave us enough grief already. :eek:

fin12 · 04-10-2016 06:20PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

No not the bank, the Garda Station.

Banks gave us enough grief already. :eek:

Sorry thanks good tip.

Sam Kade · 04-10-2016 06:31PM

If the man at the next arm is seen on cctv taking the money the bank can check his transaction and get his details.

BoatMad · 04-10-2016 06:32PM

another thread where the OP just "f"s off

Spanish Eyes · 04-10-2016 06:37PM

BoatMad wrote: »

another thread where the OP just "f"s off

On the streets getting the money for the rent.

Poor divil.

I'd grass the LL. CASH.... WTF. Anyway it's not a nice thing to happen to anyone, and we can all be distracted now and then.

But if the rent was paid via a bank transfer, none of this would have happened would it?

Sam Kade · 04-10-2016 06:45PM

me_irl wrote: »

But what intrigues me is that usually the ATM will retract the money after a period of time if it's not taken (or is that an urban myth?) So, it would have to be him if the money was missing.

So, Columbo mode...

FACTS
OP put the card in.
Entered PIN.
Entered amount.
Got a beep to remove card.
Walked away from ATM without taking cash.
Man was at the next ATM.

SPECULATION
Old man noticed the beeping of money that hadn't been collected yet.
Took cash.

What I'm hoping is that the money was handed in somewhere. But as this is being investigated by the guards, aren't all our responses void? It's up to them to decide on what to do and hopefully give you reassurance.

A man in his 40's to 50's is hardly an old man

Speedwell · 04-10-2016 06:47PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

A man in his 40's to 50's is hardly an old man

Don't tell my husband. He loves to complain that he isn't as young as he used to be. I get no points for saying philosophically, "Well, who is?"

GBX · 04-10-2016 06:55PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

If the man at the next arm is seen on cctv taking the money the bank can check his transaction and get his details.

The bank are willingly going to give this info out? Maybe if the Garda if they decide to pursue it but they may not.

Sam Kade · 04-10-2016 07:00PM

GBX wrote: »

The bank are willingly going to give this info out? Maybe if the Garda if they decide to pursue it but they may not.

Well if he is the thief surely the bank are entitled to pass his information on to the Gardai.

Spanish Eyes · 04-10-2016 07:06PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Well if he is the thief surely the bank are entitled to pass his information on to the Gardai.

If they have clear footage that he took money from the slot before putting his own card in I would think the bank is OBLIGED to report it to the Gardai.

There is too much ignoring of so called "petty theft" and other small crimes, so in fairness people think it's not worth their while reporting anything but murder and mayhem.

That sends out the wrong signals everywhere IMV

Anyway, I do hope OP gets something back from this. They are innocent of breaking the law, but will never leave an ATM again before the money is in their pocket. Lesson learned, but a hard one.

Gael23 · 04-10-2016 07:12PM

It could well have been sucked back in to the machine. You need to contact the bank straight away to check this.

HeidiHeidi · 04-10-2016 07:20PM

Gael23 wrote: »

It could well have been sucked back in to the machine. You need to contact the bank straight away to check this.

Did you even read the OP

He did that, and the money was taken.

OP, like a lot of others said, I think you'll probably have to chalk this one up to experience - although I'd be checking with local Garda stations just in case it was handed in.

moc moc a moc · 04-10-2016 07:22PM

BaRcOe wrote: »

There are around 3-4 Cameras at these ATMs so I do not see how they could not identify this thief?

Did you think the guards have photo database of every single citizen of Ireland that they can do a facial recognition search on? Maybe you've been watching too much CSI.

Spanish Eyes · 04-10-2016 07:25PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Did you think the guards have photo database of every single citizen of Ireland that they can do a facial recognition search on? Maybe you've been watching too much CSI.

What are the cameras for then?

Just a faux deterrant? That obviously won't put anyone off.

Armchairbread · 04-10-2016 07:26PM

BaRcOe wrote: »

I went to the ATM and left a sum of money, around 400+ euro at it because I got distracted talking to my friends, walked away, realized I had left it there, sprinted back and it was gone!

I am with AIB and it was at a BOI ATM. I was taking out money for my rent. Myself and my friends were standing around. I typed in the amount. Took my card and forgot to take my money.

I contacted AIB and they gave the money back while they investigated. Just yesterday I got a letter in the post saying the money was taken and they deducted the cash from my account again (due to visa regulation..etc)..

AIB got the Audit log from BOI where it showed:

Card was taken
5 seconds later the money came out
7 seconds later the money was taken

So 12 seconds I wasn't looking at the cash, and 7 seconds after I walked away from the ATM.

Anyway, I went to the local Garda station and he said he would check CCTV footage and get back to me. Myself and my friends discussed this and we noticed a man in his 40s/50s at the ATM beside the one I was at. So obviously he is a suspect.

What are my rights here? If the Garda saw someone and can identify them on CCTV footage, what will happen? Will he get arrested / fined? Will I get my money back?

There are around 3-4 Cameras at these ATMs so I do not see how they could not identify this thief?

What are your thoughts, and has this happened to you? Any advice is much appreciated.

Thanks!

This happened me a few months ago.. I went to the gardai and made a statement. The garda checked the cctv and luckily he knew the person that took the money. The garda got my money back of the person and told me he will end up going to court for theft. Hope this helps

moc moc a moc · 04-10-2016 08:00PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

What are the cameras for then?

Just a faux deterrant? That obviously won't put anyone off.

Both a deterrent and just in case the criminal is known to gardaí or can be tracked down. The point is it's nowhere near a certainty, which seems to be a huge surprise to OP ("I do not see how they could not identify this thief?")

ardinn · 04-10-2016 08:20PM

I didnt read the whole thread just in case this was said allready but if the person behind you who took the money used the atm then they will be completely identifiable. They may not have - but if they did then the next card into the atm is the thief's

/sherlock

TheChizler · 04-10-2016 09:01PM

Keep checking in the bank OP or the Gardai station. Found $250 in an ATM a few years ago; took it home as I didn't trust the next person not to take it themselves and handed it in the next day. If you you're lucky they just haven't had a chance yet.

Harvey Normal · 04-10-2016 09:06PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Both a deterrent and just in case the criminal is known to gardaí or can be tracked down. The point is it's nowhere near a certainty, which seems to be a huge surprise to OP ("I do not see how they could not identify this thief?")

Isn't it for crimeline?

alexinkildare · 04-10-2016 09:09PM

I would't call him a thief either, More like an opportunist.
You were fool enough to leave your rent money hanging from an ATM then you may take the loss and stop blaming others for your very blatent mistake...

TheChizler · 04-10-2016 09:11PM

alexinkildare wrote: »

I would't call him a thief either, More like an opportunist.
You were fool enough to leave your rent money hanging from an ATM then you may take the loss and stop blaming others for your very blatent mistake...

I'd put most of the blame on the 'opportunist'.

Senna · 04-10-2016 09:27PM

You may forget about checking the machine beside record to see who used it, the bank is not going to give out personal records of a customer over something as petty as this. The cctv MIGHT be checked by the guards and if they know who the person is, they will pursue the case. Otherwise, chalk it up to experience.

04-10-2016 09:33PM

alexinkildare wrote: »

I would't call him a thief either, More like an opportunist.
You were fool enough to leave your rent money hanging from an ATM then you may take the loss and stop blaming others for your very blatent mistake...

Theft.

4.—(1) Subject to section 5 , a person is guilty of theft if he or she dishonestly appropriates property without the consent of its owner and with the intention of depriving its owner of it.

(2) For the purposes of this section a person does not appropriate property without the consent of its owner if—

(a) the person believes that he or she has the owner's consent, or would have the owner's consent if the owner knew of the appropriation of the property and the circumstances in which it was appropriated, or

(b) (except where the property came to the person as trustee or personal representative) he or she appropriates the property in the belief that the owner cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps,

link

alexinkildare · 04-10-2016 09:44PM

I know a few definitions including 'theft' and 'idiot' and 'opportunist' but thanks for that.

However imo if the chap walked away from the atm and left cash there then it's his loss and the other persons gain. Irrespective of what the law says. As previously stated by more than just myself. Chalk up up to a bad mistake and get on with it.

04-10-2016 09:48PM

alexinkildare wrote: »

I know a few definitions including 'theft' and 'idiot' and 'opportunist' but thanks for that.

However imo if the chap walked away from the atm and left cash there then it's his loss and the other persons gain. Irrespective of what the law says. As previously stated by more than just myself. Chalk up up to a bad mistake and get on with it.

Then what are you doing in the legal discussion forum?

alexinkildare · 04-10-2016 09:53PM

I sometimes wonder :-)

Little CuChulainn · 04-10-2016 09:56PM

Unless the person who took the money hands it in this is a theft plain and simple. The Gardaí will check the cctv and do their best to identify the person who took the money. He will then be liable to prosecution for theft. They cannot compel him to reimburse you though. Don't expect a speedy result though. Banks are very protective of their cctv footage and it can often require the intervention of a Superintendent to get it from them.

kleefarr · 04-10-2016 10:05PM

BaRcOe wrote: »

I went to the ATM and left a sum of money, around 400+ euro at it because I got distracted talking to my friends, walked away, realized I had left it there, sprinted back and it was gone!

I am with AIB and it was at a BOI ATM. I was taking out money for my rent. Myself and my friends were standing around. I typed in the amount. Took my card and forgot to take my money.

I contacted AIB and they gave the money back while they investigated. Just yesterday I got a letter in the post saying the money was taken and they deducted the cash from my account again (due to visa regulation..etc)..

AIB got the Audit log from BOI where it showed:

Card was taken
5 seconds later the money came out
7 seconds later the money was taken

So 12 seconds I wasn't looking at the cash, and 7 seconds after I walked away from the ATM.

Anyway, I went to the local Garda station and he said he would check CCTV footage and get back to me. Myself and my friends discussed this and we noticed a man in his 40s/50s at the ATM beside the one I was at. So obviously he is a suspect.

What are my rights here? If the Garda saw someone and can identify them on CCTV footage, what will happen? Will he get arrested / fined? Will I get my money back?

There are around 3-4 Cameras at these ATMs so I do not see how they could not identify this thief?

What are your thoughts, and has this happened to you? Any advice is much appreciated.

Thanks!

If money not taken with a set time period (15 secs) it is returned to the machine.
Best to approach bank as they will have a record of it, or should have.
If they don't then someone else took it.

AH Ok, you did this. Farking quick the person who took it. Were your friends acting as a distraction?

Greenmachine · 04-10-2016 10:06PM

Armchairbread wrote: »

This happened me a few months ago.. I went to the gardai and made a statement. The garda checked the cctv and luckily he knew the person that took the money. The garda got my money back of the person and told me he will end up going to court for theft. Hope this helps

Fingers crossed it was the same guy this and same atm. OP is sure to get his money then. Sucky thing for someone to do, in any case.

chillin117 · 04-10-2016 10:13PM

If you dropped it in the street and someone found it and kept it, is that theft too or good fortune for the finder ? A lot of money ''disappears'' at Garda stations or else it was ''Claimed'' . Who's to know if it was ever claimed or not.

I left money at an ATM and it was taken!

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