Ryder Cup 2016

ChippingSodbury · 03-10-2016 09:01AM

Now that the Ryder Cup is over, my wife says: What's on the telly?
Me: dust.....

CMOTDibbler · 03-10-2016 09:04AM

Seve OB wrote: »

So Clarke has taken a bashing and deservedly so regarding Westwood IMO, but other than that, it might be overly tough to lay all the blame at his feet.
We all knew the yanks had a better team

We all knew the yanks would probably win

Nobody (well veery few at least) gave Europe a hope

Darren had to hand in his team for Sat 4ball, he dropped Rafa when he was 4 down...... a correct choice, but is getting stick for it

Westy was a poor pick, and it was a poor decision to play him so much

Westy, yesterday and today turned 2 points for Europe into 2 points for USA in the last 2 (ok alomngside Kaymer) & 3 holes

That would of had it 15-13 to the Yanks - -- certainly not a drubbing

not to mention all the other close....very close games

the yanks just couldn't miss on the greens, they were awesome

Europe sunk a fair few of their own, but the Yanks were phenominal

USA were the better team and deserved the win

Oh... and Kammys new ad is class he's a funny bastard

Good analysis Seve, I would just add that the course set up with the rough so forgiving really benefitted the US team. So many of them are wayward off the tee; Mickelson, Spieth, Holmes, Moore, Reed (at times), DJ and Fowler, that full length rough would have killed them or at least seriously dented their chances. Since many of the European golfers are pretty accurate with their tee shots and find the fairway regularly, they very astutely eliminated that advantage.

Seve OB · 03-10-2016 09:08AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Good analysis Seve, I would just add that the course set up with the rough so forgiving really benefitted the US team. So many of them are wayward off the tee; Mickelson, Spieth, Holmes, Moore, Reed (at times), DJ and Fowler, that full length rough would have killed them or at least seriously dented their chances. Since many of the European golfers are pretty accurate with their tee shots and find the fairway regularly, they very astutely eliminated that advantage.

Actually at the press conference, JR kinda slated the set up of the course for being sooooo easy, and pin placements were a joke

Seve OB · 03-10-2016 09:22AM

Seve OB wrote: »

Watching press conference. Danny Willet asked about early in the week and how the week evolved, how would he describe his first Ryder Cup.

"Sh1t"

laughter

"oh sorry would you like me to elaborate on that?....... really sh1t"

lawred2 wrote: »

lol

got a link to the footage of that?

Yea, here it is

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/10/danny-willett-2016-ryder-cup-brother-article-hazeltine-funny-video

vienne86 · 03-10-2016 09:26AM

http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/danny-willett-causes-ryder-cup-storm-by-claiming-his-brother-was-correct-about-american-fans-35098622.html

I think Danny Willett should just leave it and shut up.

Joe_ Public · 03-10-2016 09:31AM

I think what Willett's saying is fair enough really, and he's clearly not using it as an excuse. Essentially he's only saying what the rest of the Europeans are saying, according to Sergio 15% of the home supporters were "really bad" and that's a lot of rotten apples in any orchard. They need to deal with that because the longer it's accepted it becomes an ingrained part of RC culture and will just get worse every time.

CMOTDibbler · 03-10-2016 09:39AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I think what Willett's saying is fair enough really, and he's clearly not using it as an excuse. Essentially he's only saying what the rest of the Europeans are saying, according to Sergio 15% of the home supporters were "really bad" and that's a lot of rotten apples in any orchard. They need to deal with that because the longer it's accepted it becomes an ingrained part of RC culture and will just get worse every time.

Rory said it was about 5%, and tbh I think he's closer to the truth of it. On the 18th when he was about to take his backswing for his second shot with Reed in the bunker and a gilt edged opportunity to win the hole, a 'fan' literally screamed. Rory backed off and the crowd angrily shushed the idiot but it clearly affected Rory as he slightly fatted his shot and left it short.

There was too much of that kind of stuff. Players just about to take their shots were heckled or shouted at and that's where it becomes unacceptable. Somebody suggested that when this happens on a putt, the opponent should concede the putt to make a point and try and put a stop to it.

Heckling after shots are taken or even when it's in the air is fair game imo, but just before is way out of line.

03-10-2016 09:50AM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Rory said it was about 5%, and tbh I think he's closer to the truth of it. On the 18th when he was about to take his backswing for his second shot with Reed in the bunker and a gilt edged opportunity to win the hole, a 'fan' literally screamed. Rory backed off and the crowd angrily shushed the idiot but it clearly affected Rory as he slightly fatted his shot and left it short.

There was too much of that kind of stuff. Players just about to take their shots were heckled or shouted at and that's where it becomes unacceptable. Somebody suggested that when this happens on a putt, the opponent should concede the putt to make a point and try and put a stop to it.

Heckling after shots are taken or even when it's in the air is fair game imo, but just before is way out of line.

5% Arseh0les fueled on their pissy beer is way too many though and plenty enough to ruin the thing - there were a number of times where there was deliberate just-before-the-shot shouts to put off the European player.

2020 in Wisconsin at Whistling Straits will be worse I predict. Wisconsin makes Minnesota look refined.

vienne86 · 03-10-2016 10:06AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Fair play Rory and the lads.

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/randall-mell/euros-gracious-and-hilarious-ryder-cup-defeat

That was excellent from Rory.

razorblunt · 03-10-2016 10:50AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Jesus - no end to bad news for Europe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3818502/Cheating-golfer-Colin-Montgomerie-suing-estranged-wife-5million-row-2million-farmhouse.html

She's got a £20m inheritance.
We wish him well.

Henry Ford III · 03-10-2016 11:28AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I think what Willett's saying is fair enough really, and he's clearly not using it as an excuse. Essentially he's only saying what the rest of the Europeans are saying, according to Sergio 15% of the home supporters were "really bad" and that's a lot of rotten apples in any orchard. They need to deal with that because the longer it's accepted it becomes an ingrained part of RC culture and will just get worse every time.

Agreed.

I was at Kiawah Island in 1991 and there were some nasty spectators even then.

Brookline was pretty bad too.

I'd applaud good golf regardless of who played it, but would cheer on the Europeans.

Nothing wrong with being partisan, but the line has been crossed too many times. It needs to be dealt with firmly.

FixdePitchmark · 03-10-2016 11:57AM

I may have missed it above.

But I dont't think Sky or anyone has mentioned how the course set up was.

The yanks clearly had the course set up as part of their plan.

It was easy,
The pins were easy
They knew the greens - speed
Not sure how pin locations are agreed - or they are before ?

Imagine they had way better green notes - done by someone at it full time.

Home advantage, so fair play

even on the holes where the matches would be decided.
None of them near regular pro event lenght -

Look at 15
16
17
18

All set up, so easy likes of 17 would be a 5 iron in a normal PGA event - as in it would be set up harder. - but playing an easy 176 on the day - for them was it an 8 iron

I do admire what they did - but that is the reason there was rediculous scoring.
Pins all over the course were basically roll outs to pin.

lawred2 · 03-10-2016 12:00PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I may have missed it above.

But I dont't think Sky or anyone has mentioned how the course set up was.

The yanks clearly had the course set up as part of their plan.

It was easy,
The pins were easy
They knew the greens - speed
Not sure how pin locations are agreed - or they are before ?

Imagine they had way better green notes - done by someone at it full time.

Home advantge, so fair play

even on the holes where the matches would be decided.
None of them near regular pro event lenght -

Look at 15
16
17
18

All set up, so easy likes of 17 would be a 5 iron in a normal PGA event - as in it would be set up harder. - but playing an easy 176 on the day - for them was it an 8 iron

I do admire what they did - but that is the reason there was rediculous scoring.
Pins all over the course were basically roll outs to pin.

The rough was cut very short as well

However it was the same course for both teams

FixdePitchmark · 03-10-2016 12:01PM

lawred2 wrote: »

The rough was cut very short as well

However it was the same course for both teams

Was a bit of a joke.

Were they even looking for a ball all week.

bren2001 · 03-10-2016 12:14PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I may have missed it above.

But I dont't think Sky or anyone has mentioned how the course set up was.

The yanks clearly had the course set up as part of their plan.

It was easy,
The pins were easy
They knew the greens - speed
Not sure how pin locations are agreed - or they are before ?

Imagine they had way better green notes - done by someone at it full time.

Home advantage, so fair play

even on the holes where the matches would be decided.
None of them near regular pro event lenght -

Look at 15
16
17
18

All set up, so easy likes of 17 would be a 5 iron in a normal PGA event - as in it would be set up harder. - but playing an easy 176 on the day - for them was it an 8 iron

I do admire what they did - but that is the reason there was rediculous scoring.
Pins all over the course were basically roll outs to pin.

The course setup was mentioned when discussing 2012. Davis Love said he regretted not putting one of the pins on the other side of the green for whatever reason.

It was mentioned on Sky (maybe on Golf Weekly) that Davis Love had decided to trim the rough after X yards in order to suit the longer hitters of America.

From that, I assumed the American Captain has complete control of the course setup when in America. Makes sense really, the home team should be able to set it up to suit themselves.

CMOTDibbler · 03-10-2016 12:20PM

lawred2 wrote: »

The rough was cut very short as well

However it was the same course for both teams

It was. But the straight hitters were on the European team which is why the rough was cut short. Advantage negated and the US players didn't care if they missed the fairway. The point is well made that the scores wouldn't be repeatable in any other competition. Phil Mickelson was making the most outrageous swings off the tee just to get distance. It didn't matter if he was in the rough because nine times out of ten the ball was sitting up nicely.

03-10-2016 12:29PM

The course was set up very easy. However both teams had that.
Having some say/control over the course set-up doesn't make the opposing team putt rubbish! (with a couple of exceptions)

about Sky - their commentary was puke and completely pointless - too afraid to say anything of any insight / criticise crap Europe play.
same goes for the normally not-shy Clarke in his comments - "I will basically say nothing so that I have a better chance of keeping current and getting future tv jobs"

FixdePitchmark · 03-10-2016 12:32PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

It was. But the straight hitters were on the European team which is why the rough was cut short. Advantage negated and the US players didn't care if they missed the fairway. The point is well made that the scores wouldn't be repeatable in any other competition. Phil Mickelson was making the most outrageous swings off the tee just to get distance. It didn't matter if he was in the rough because nine times out of ten the ball was sitting up nicely.

Basically they turned it into a putting contest on greens they knew.

It was the equivalent of Putt Putt.

15 - 16 -17 and 18 were a joke.

I'd fancy hitting them all myself - and in a regular event, I wouldn't have a hope in 100 rounds.

FixdePitchmark · 03-10-2016 12:39PM

Ok - for once - I'm spot on.

http://www.the42.ie/justin-rose-hazeltine-criticism-3007117-Oct2016/

03-10-2016 12:41PM

vienne86 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/danny-willett-causes-ryder-cup-storm-by-claiming-his-brother-was-correct-about-american-fans-35098622.html

I think Danny Willett should just leave it and shut up.

So he is, in effect, retracting his apology?

That's not clever.

lawred2 · 03-10-2016 12:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So he is, in effect, retracting his apology?

That's not clever.

It was never his apology to make...

Further to that; it was never an apology that anyone should have made!

America has a proud tradition of roasts and lampoons... What's happened?

Maybe it's a case of truth hurting and you couldn't ever hurt anyone. Especially not self important privileged white suburbanites.

PARlance · 03-10-2016 12:45PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Ok - for once - I'm spot on.

http://www.the42.ie/justin-rose-hazeltine-criticism-3007117-Oct2016/

But should this be a surprise. We grow the rough, narrow fairways, slow greens etc. Both sides try to set the course in their favour.

luvthegame · 03-10-2016 12:58PM

bren2001 wrote: »

It was mentioned on Sky (maybe on Golf Weekly) that Davis Love had decided to trim the rough after X yards in order to suit the longer hitters of America.

America no longer has the longer hitters. They have the more wayward hitters.
On a normal course setup Mickelson/Fowler wouldn't have finished some of the holes Friday foursomes. This is the way all courses should be set up for the average golfer who want to go out and enjoy a round and not be looking for balls. It resembled a hotel/resort golf course.

The French course wont have to be changed much for 2018 as its already very difficult, especially 15-18. Its already a straight drivers course. So it will be interesting in two years time.

Milkers · 03-10-2016 12:58PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Ok - for once - I'm spot on.

http://www.the42.ie/justin-rose-hazeltine-criticism-3007117-Oct2016/

If the course was so easy I take it Rose shot 4-8 under each time he played yeah?

valoren · 03-10-2016 01:08PM

It's not the US Open where a Par is welcome or penal rough.
It was a relatively easy set up for them with receptive pin positions being the norm.

Makes for more birdies and eagles and thus more excitement.

Joe_ Public · 03-10-2016 01:08PM

Milkers wrote: »

If the course was so easy I take it Rose shot 4-8 under each time he played yeah?

Think tee to green he has a point. Definitely suits the Ryder Cup format to have an easier lay-out, enhances the spectacle, but they went too far this time around and diminished the event. I don't recall very many miracle shots or great escapes around the greens like you'd normally see. Bar one Phil shot right-handed up against the boundary fence, I can barely remember a single shot that's going to linger in the memory. I agree with others that it came down to putting, there was a 15-20 minute period there yesterday when the US guys were raking them in from all angles and that effectively ended it as a contest.

Seve OB · 03-10-2016 01:16PM

bren2001 wrote: »

From that, I assumed the American Captain has complete control of the course setup when in America. Makes sense really, the home team should be able to set it up to suit themselves.

Home team is always in control of the course set up

Keano · 03-10-2016 01:34PM

Milkers wrote: »

If the course was so easy I take it Rose shot 4-8 under each time he played yeah?

I don't think he was making excuses. He was asked what did he think of the course setup and was honest.

luvthegame · 03-10-2016 01:39PM

http://www.sportinglife.com/golf/news/article/585/10603007/ben-coley-reflects-on-mistakes-made-by-europe-captain-darren-clarke-as-usa-won-the-ryder-cup

This article pretty much sums it up

CMOTDibbler · 03-10-2016 01:48PM

Milkers wrote: »

If the course was so easy I take it Rose shot 4-8 under each time he played yeah?

I think you're missing the point. The golden rule in golf is if you don't hit the fairways, you're struggling for par, never mind birdies. So a guy like Rose who mightn't be great on long putts has an equaliser if his opponent can't find the fairway.

How many times did we see guys hitting balls from the rough into easy two putt distance on the green and sometimes better? In reality that wayward tee shot would normally result in gettiing on the green in three with the strong possibility of a two putt to follow.

Rose had four birdies and a bogey on his front nine yesterday. That would be a strong score on the last day of a major. Rory had six birdies and three bogies in his round.

Don't get me wrong, the USA had home advantage and they used it in the best way they could. But saying it was great golf is a nonsense. As FDP says, it was by and large a putting contest. Jimmy Walker had such a wayward second shot on the 16th, that he actually missed the water completely. He still had a birdie putt.

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