BBC Sack Jon Holmes As They want To "Diversify"

The Wolverine · 03-10-2016 02:15AM

dav3 wrote: »

and then running on here with your outrage over some imaginary cultural war, perhaps take time to reflect that you’ve just been baited by the daily mail and that most people don’t care about this ****.

So why don’t you calm down getting so worked up over what’s happening within a UK broadcaster and take a few deep breaths

Why the need for the aggressiveness and insults and insinuating I'm some sort of crazy angry just because I posted about something I think is wrong? As even if it's a case of not renewing I find their policy of having skin colour based quotas disgusting, which has merit on its own.

You claim I'm "outraged" and post all that unwarranted aggressively styled post?

I'm not sure where the needlessly snarky, condescending and aggressive attitude is coming from?

Edit: actually forget it. I've just seen some of your other posts and the way you engage with other posters, the insulting and aggressive manner is astounding. From telling posters to "engage the hamsters on wheel" when referring their intelligence to calling anyone who's concerned about the immigrantion crisis in Europe a "far right loon"

I wont be engaging an aggressive poster like you any further.

hatrickpatrick · 03-10-2016 02:32AM

Omackeral wrote: »

If replacement's not a one legged transgendered ginger midget with a pirate accent I'll be personally offended.

But I'll be totally triggered if the replacement isn't a three legged genderfluid bald ogre with a Ninja accent.

So the question is... Which of us is the better trigger finger?

Outlaw Pete · 03-10-2016 05:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So he is being discriminated against by his employer because of his race and his gender. Sounds illegal to be honest.

It is illegal in the UK, thankfully... but it almost became legal at one point thanks to feminist and minster for "Equality" at the time, Harriet Harman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_politics/7474801.stm

pickarooney · 03-10-2016 06:21AM

aphex™ wrote: »

Used to hate watching cbbc when I was a kid. It was like paint by numbers. You could only have two whites on screen if you had a black person to go with them.

It's really sad that at such a young age you would have already been obsessed with skin colour. What kind of conversations went on around the dinner table?

Badly Drunk Boy · 03-10-2016 09:08AM

If the BBC were not renewing yer man's contract, they were really stupid to mention diversity as the reason.

There was some period drama on BBC during the year, possibly Versailles, but they had a black woman playing a very white historical figure. (By 'very white', I mean that I checked some images/paintings of the real historical person, and she'd out-pale the Gothiest Goth.) What's the deal with that? Artistic licence? Diversity?

pickarooney wrote: »

It's really sad that at such a young age you would have already been obsessed with skin colour. What kind of conversations went on around the dinner table?

In school, my 5 year old niece (and the rest of her class) had to come up with one thing that they'd do if they ruled the world for a day. My sister read some of the classmates efforts but one stood out: "I would kill Donald Trump!". What sort of conversations goes on in that kid's house?

The_Captain · 03-10-2016 09:23AM

aphex™ wrote: »

Used to hate watching cbbc when I was a kid. It was like paint by numbers. You could only have two whites on screen if you had a black person to go with them.

I think it's good to have this kind of thing on children's television. CBBC has a wide mix of races, men, women, people with disabilities and people with learning difficulties on their shows. None of it is remarked upon, no one is treated differently or explains their cultural background, they just do their job and children get to see this and hopefully gain some understanding that other people aren't different just because they look different.

The Backwards Man · 03-10-2016 09:32AM

Story is a fraud, I've read that article three times and the value of the house he lives in isn't in it.

The BBC don't get rid of comedians unless they aren't funny or they are a bit of a cnut. Your man falls into one of those categories for definite.

newport2 · 03-10-2016 10:06AM

The_Captain wrote: »

I think it's good to have this kind of thing on children's television. CBBC has a wide mix of races, men, women, people with disabilities and people with learning difficulties on their shows. None of it is remarked upon, no one is treated differently or explains their cultural background, they just do their job and children get to see this and hopefully gain some understanding that other people aren't different just because they look different.

I agree it's good, but should it not reflect society somewhat? Does twisting numbers totally out of proportion on TV not indirectly suggest to children that these people are "different", when of course they are not.

Fratton Fred · 03-10-2016 10:24AM

newport2 wrote: »

I agree it's good, but should it not reflect society somewhat? Does twisting numbers totally out of proportion on TV not indirectly suggest to children that these people are "different", when of course they are not.

Not really, it just makes them completely oblivious to the colour of someone's skin.

My daughter used to attend a very multicultural school, but to those kids the difference in the colour of their skin was no different to the differences in the colour of the shoes they wore. Part of the reason for this was that every time they turned on the TV everyone was different colours, so it was very normal.

newport2 · 03-10-2016 10:55AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not really, it just makes them completely oblivious to the colour of someone's skin.

My daughter used to attend a very multicultural school, but to those kids the difference in the colour of their skin was no different to the differences in the colour of the shoes they wore. Part of the reason for this was that every time they turned on the TV everyone was different colours, so it was very normal.

Fair enough. My point was that if say 10% of society was a certain colour and on TV 50% were, this wouldn't add up. But if what you say is true, then ok. Wasn't really questioning it, just wondering what effect it has.

padd b1975 · 03-10-2016 10:57AM

The Wolverine wrote: »

Doesn't matter if they are good or not sacking someone cause they don't fit what you could call an ethnic quota is disgusting whether white or black or purple is the one sacked.

Imagine they said to a black presenter "we have enough black presenters we need to whiten up the lineup, we won't be taking you on for the next series"

There would be war.

Check your privilege.

ligerdub · 03-10-2016 11:03AM

newport2 wrote: »

Fair enough. My point was that if say 10% of society was a certain colour and on TV 50% were, this wouldn't add up. But if what you say is true, then ok. Wasn't really questioning it, just wondering what effect it has.

I think that's fair point, but then we'd be into quota's again.....and that's not a good thing.

pumpkin4life · 03-10-2016 11:12AM

BBC QUOTE wrote: »

Holmes's axing follows the BBC's April announcement of new diversity targets to ensure that women will make up half of its staff by 2020, including on screen, on air and in leadership roles. The Corporation is also aiming to increase the proportion of its workforce from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds to 15 per cent by the same date while lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people should by then make up eight per cent of the staff

Whites are 88% of the U.K population.

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender people are 2% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom

Does that mean I can take a case against the B.B.C for discriminating against white, heterosexual men?

03-10-2016 11:13AM

If he was actually let go to diversify, then that is nothing short of discrimination. There's no other way of putting it.

meeeeh · 03-10-2016 11:28AM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

There was some period drama on BBC during the year, possibly Versailles, but they had a black woman playing a very white historical figure. (By 'very white', I mean that I checked some images/paintings of the real historical person, and she'd out-pale the Gothiest Goth.) What's the deal with that? Artistic licence? Diversity?

Actually that stuff really annoys me. Instead of making some historical drama going on somewhere in the colonies (not like they weren't harassing people there long enough to have plenty of material) they reimagine the situation in Europe to make things less white.

dav3 · 03-10-2016 11:49AM

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Whites are 88% of the U.K population.

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender people are 2% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom

Does that mean I can take a case against the B.B.C for discriminating against white, heterosexual men?

If you are Irish it would be a strange case to take, but you should certainly pursue it and let us know how you got on.

What is the relevance of the demographic breakdown of the UK?

It's always good to show just how many white people there are in the UK I suppose. With all the hysteria that comes from the little englanders you'd think they were in the minority.

Fratton Fred · 03-10-2016 11:51AM

newport2 wrote: »

Fair enough. My point was that if say 10% of society was a certain colour and on TV 50% were, this wouldn't add up. But if what you say is true, then ok. Wasn't really questioning it, just wondering what effect it has.

TV can't fully represent real life, because there is very few areas where the overall diversity figures are the norm.

Ia school in Cornwall might be all white, whereas a school in Tottenham might be 90% black.

Television programmes just try to show that in the UK, there are people of a number of different ethnic backgrounds and they are all represented evenly.

Son Of A Vidic · 03-10-2016 12:07PM

Omackeral wrote: »

If replacement's not a one legged transgendered ginger midget with a pirate accent I'll be personally offended.

Nominated for Post Of The Year.:D

alchemist33 · 03-10-2016 12:51PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

If the BBC were not renewing yer man's contract, they were really stupid to mention diversity as the reason.

There was some period drama on BBC during the year, possibly Versailles, but they had a black woman playing a very white historical figure. (By 'very white', I mean that I checked some images/paintings of the real historical person, and she'd out-pale the Gothiest Goth.) What's the deal with that? Artistic licence? Diversity?

You can spot a BBC historical drama by the surprise appearance of people who have a one in ten million chance of being there. I saw a black extra in an episode of Doctor Who set in a viking village a couple of years ago, and an Asian woman walked past the camera in Poldark last week!

I'm all for diversity but it has to be in the right context.

MeatTwoVeg · 03-10-2016 12:56PM

alchemist33 wrote:

You can spot a BBC historical drama by the surprise appearance of people who have a one in ten million chance of being there. I saw a black extra in an episode of Doctor Who set in a viking village a couple of years ago, and an Asian woman walked past the camera in Poldark last week!

I was in a church a few weeks ago and they seemed to be portraying Jesus as a blonde haired, white guy in a lot of the paintings.
What's with that?

osarusan · 03-10-2016 01:12PM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

I was in a church a few weeks ago and they seemed to be portraying Jesus as a blonde haired, white guy in a lot of the paintings.
What's with that?

Your Face · 03-10-2016 01:23PM

osarusan wrote: »

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

I was in a church a few weeks ago and they seemed to be portraying Jesus as a blonde haired, white guy in a lot of the paintings.
What's with that?

You go girl.

Elliott S · 03-10-2016 01:36PM

I think this is the Beeb going too far the other way in reaction to the deserved criticism they got for letting the likes of Moira Stuart and Arlene Phillips go for no good reason at all whilst letting Bruce Forsyth dodder around long after he should have been put out to pasture. These were blatantly age-related releases from duty and the heat they took was deserved but the antidote isn't to let go of menfolk for no reason either. Just stop firing women once they get over 50, Beeb, and you're set! No other action required.

On the hiring minorities thing - I'm a fan of meritocracy, but studies have shown that with identical CVs, applicants with ethnic-sounding names have trouble landing interviews. So many minorities find it difficult to even get a chance. It's hard to know what to do there because even on merit, minorities can be subconsciously discriminated against. Positive discrimination is ham-fisted but subconscious discrimination appears to be a problem.

A Little Pony · 03-10-2016 01:39PM

The BBC hates white people which has been pretty obvious since the early 2000s.

Fratton Fred · 03-10-2016 01:45PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The BBC hates white people which has been pretty obvious since the early 2000s.

White people think they hate white people. Black people think they hate black people, Tories think they hate them, labour supporters as convinced the BBC is run by conservatives.

RayM · 03-10-2016 01:52PM

Oh God, no. Oh Jesus Christ, they can't sack Jon Holmes!!! Anyone but Jon Holmes!!!

Who is Jon Holmes?

The Now Show is crap anyway. They should call it "The Then Show" because it's been using the same jokes since 1998. Hopefully Paul Merton and Ian Hislop will get axed next. At this stage, they could replace Merton with the discarded limb of a black, one-armed Muslim lesbian and it would still be funnier.

Lux23 · 03-10-2016 01:59PM

I don't believe a word of this because you couldn't tell a candidate that they didn't get a job because they are white. Unless of course equality laws are completely different in the UK? Are they?

Elliott S · 03-10-2016 02:16PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

There was some period drama on BBC during the year, possibly Versailles, but they had a black woman playing a very white historical figure. (By 'very white', I mean that I checked some images/paintings of the real historical person, and she'd out-pale the Gothiest Goth.) What's the deal with that? Artistic licence? Diversity?

In Hollywood, it's usually the opposite where often a character written as some ethnicity or other in the source material will be filled by a white person.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-racial-erasure-essay-20160418-story.html
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20151006-when-white-actors-play-other-races
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film

ligerdub · 03-10-2016 02:50PM

Elliott S wrote: »

In Hollywood, it's usually the opposite where often a character written as some ethnicity or other in the source material will be filled by a white person.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-racial-erasure-essay-20160418-story.html
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20151006-when-white-actors-play-other-races
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film

Yeah, that's wrong too.

Dr Jakub · 03-10-2016 04:55PM

Meh. The luvies at the BBC have been telling us little people that diversity is our strength and must be embraced. Well let them embrace it now. Oh I'm sorry, you lost your job to a Somali? Well maybe you should have worked harder then.

BBC Sack Jon Holmes As They want To "Diversify"

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