Nine companies in were paid more than 10m each for providing direct provision

b_mac2 wrote: »

Any idea of the legal bills?

For asylum seekers it was around €25 million a few years back

Refugees means Jobs.

They are big business.

You need places built to house them, companies to supply Food, Clothes and everything else that falls under that category from Electric to Broadband. You have children who need schooling and the adults who need teaching and training. Then you need staff to look after them, more staff to look after thier legal needs. Then more staff are needed down the Social Welfare to look after them there.

The EU gives funding towards all this so of course country's are going to take them.

b_mac2 wrote: »

Any idea of the legal bills?

is it about €156m a year in total all in for this?

Kivaro wrote: »

Over a quarter of a billion euros over five years for direct provision paid by Irish tax payers?

Sounds like the country can afford it; no wonder that public sector workers want to strike for more money.

i think you will find its actually closer to 3/4 of a billion.

add in the €600m a year on foreign aid, thats €3.75b that we are forking out every 5 years on the problems of other countries.

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

If the law was applied as it should be then the vast majority of regufees landing here shouldn't make it past the airport. They should be returned to the country where the flight originated from but as usual the laws are ignored and these people are pampered and pandered to and allowed stay.

I have no problem with people who are legitimate cases and who have a right to land here but the majority have no right to be here and can then get free representation at a huge cost despite their watery weak and often fraudulent case.

its not as easy as that - if they could be deported, they would be. our previous justice minister didnt want to deport anybody.

look at the problems in deporting that Pamela one. it also costs €120,000 to deport somebody, so taking this into account, the difficulties in doing so and the legal loopholes these people keep exploiting, its better off just to leave them here.

the gardai really are fighting a battle they cant win, as they are not supported by law to remove them.

JL2106 wrote: »

Let them work and access the same entitlements as all other residents. It will save the state money. It makes sense.

What entitlements? An EU citizen isn't entitled to anything when they move to Ireland so any refugee arriving in Ireland would be entitled to nothing also. At least an EU citizen can work without a permit the majority of refugees are from countries that require a permit so they aren't entitled to work.

JL2106 wrote: »

It is a lot cheaper to let them stay and work. Deportations are inhumane and costly.

I would not allow illegal immigrants out of the airport campus.

House them there, process them within a week.

That could not cost that much, could it?


90% of asylum-seekers in Ireland were bogus.

JL2106 wrote: »

"90% of asylum-seekers in Ireland were bogus."

Source?

Statement by the Minister regarding the Real Facts about the Asylum and Deportation Systems

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Michael Mc Dowell T.D., in response to recent commentary from various sources on the issues of asylum and deportations, much of which has portrayed a grossly inaccurate picture of developments in this area, has today issued the following briefing which provides the real facts about developments in this area.

The Minister stated:
"A small but well placed minority of commentators have sought to create the impression that Ireland's treatment of asylum seekers is harsh and unfair. They have consistently concealed the real facts from the Irish people. Moreover, they have sought to create the impression that anyone who points out the true situation is engaging in political racism. They hint at international comparisons which do not exist.
They refuse to address the very large abuse of asylum protection in Ireland. They claim to believe that it is wrong to point out what is happening lest it create prejudice against genuine asylum seekers. They are engaging in a form of verbal intimidation of those who would tell the truth."

The Minister continued
"In issuing this briefing today my aim is to set out certain key facts about the operation of our asylum and deportation systems which are based on very clear legal principles which stand up very well to comparison with those in other comparable jurisdictions such as the European Union.
Our approach to the issue of protection is based on achieving a balance between fairness and firmness - fairness in ensuring that those genuinely in need of protection receive that protection quickly; firmness in dealing rigorously with abuses in our system which tie up resources which could be better utilised elsewhere. Ireland's asylum strategy is based on a number of key principles;
Meeting our obligations under international law such as the 1951 Geneva Convention relating to the status of refugees
Dealing fairly but efficiently with the large number of unfounded asylum claims which are being received which represent over 90% of the total asylum applications being processed annually
Ensuring that persons who are found, after a fair and efficient determination process, not in need of protection are returned to their countries of origin as quickly as this can be arranged
Ensuring that we have robust systems in place to root out and prevent abuse in our protection system by persons who are really entering the State for purposes other than seeking protection from persecution."

Recognition Rates

Ireland's recognition rate for refugee status at first instance compares favourably to other European countries as follows:

Denmark 4.9%; Ireland 6.2%; Spain 2.6%; Norway 3.6%; Germany 3.3%; UK 3%.

Nigerian Asylum Seekers

A good deal of media comment has concentrated on the cases of individual Nigerian applicants and families.
In the case of asylum applications from Nigerian nationals, which represent the highest source country in terms of asylum applications (some 37% of applications in 2004 and 41% in 2005), comparative statistics also indicate that our recognition rate at first instance is very much in line with other European States which receive high volumes of applications from nationals of Nigeria.
Ireland received the second highest number of asylum applications in main industrialised countries from nationals of Nigeria in 2004. The recognition rate at first instance for 2004 is as follows:
Ireland 0.6%; Netherlands 0.6%; Austria 0.3%; Spain 0.1%
Less than 1%, therefore, of all Nigerian national asylum seekers succeed at first instance in the European Union member states that receive most Nigerian applications.


Prioritised Applications

Under the State's refugee laws, the Minister can designate particular countries and particular categories of asylum applications for prioritised treatment.
Grounds for doing so include the nationality of the applicant and the likelihood that the applications are well founded and considerations of public policy.
In the case of Nigeria which has a very high failure rate and a very high application rate, these grounds justify prioritising examination of asylum claims. Contrary to ill-informed commentary, Nigeria has not been designated a "safe country". It is a country with a proven record internationally of unjustified applications for asylum status, as is evidenced by the enormous international rejection rate.
Other countries have been designated as safe countries in accordance with the statutory criteria.
Most asylum applications (more than 90%) are found not to meet the criteria for refugee protection.
By way of illustration, since January 2005, prioritised asylum claims from nationals of Nigeria, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia and South Africa (representing 46% of all applications) have been processed in accelerated procedures by the independent determination bodies (Refugee Applications Commissioner and Refugee Appeals Tribunal).
Detailed analysis of the accelerated process has shown that:
Of the 365 decisions issued so far by ORAC, some 359 have been refused.
Of the 136 decisions issued by the RAT, some 134 have upheld the earlier decision of the ORAC that the applicant is NOT a refugee.
Asylum applications from Nigeria, although not designated as a safe country of origin, are prioritised since December 2003 on the basis that Nigeria has for a number of years been the highest source country for asylum applications representing some 37 % of our caseload in 2004 and some 41% in 2005 to date. Giving priority to the largest part of the asylum caseload makes sense while at the same time ensuring that other cases are also processed as expeditiously as possible.

Other reasons for seeking asylum which were cited include:

1. Fear of local tribal customs as the first born son of a royal family;
2. Fear of village elders arising from requirement to replace grandmother as head of the village;
3. Successor to be king after father's death;
4. Heir to father's throne;
5. Treated as a domestic servant by his mother's friends;
6. Sacrifice of first born child;
7. Fears persecution as he lost money which belonged to his boss
8. Fear that a former employer may kill her and place body parts around his house;
9. Fear of persecution for failing to bring home the bodies of deceased family members killed in a fire;
10. Male members of tribe carry out ritual sacrifices of children

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some mad stuff there.

Geuze wrote: »

It's fairly obvious to any reasonable person that the vast majority of asylum-seekers have been bogus - this is simply the truth.

I'm sure they are lovely people, but it is simply the truth that they are illegal immigrants.

By the way, it continues to this day.

Look at the recent stats, 2015 applications:

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Five_main_citizenships_of_(non-EU)_asylum_applicants,_2015_(number_of_first_time_applicants,_rounded_figures)_YB16.png

I find it incredibly strange that when AS from Nigeria are granted legal status here having stated they are in fear of their life can within 12 months go back to Nigeria on Business-Funerals-weddings etc.

Think about that for one moment...

Dr Jakub wrote: »

Once again look at Sweden to see our future. The 'refugee' business is a big one and there are millions to be made.

We should be looking at who has been given the contracts to run such centres and what connections they have to certain political parties rather than getting worked up over a few asylum seekers. It is in certain people's interest to keep as many people in these centres for as long as possible.

We all know what's going on, this is Ireland after all. 'Follow the money' as a balding oompa loompa once said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/how-direct-provision-became-a-profitable-business-1.2030519

Many of the companies providing food and shelter are large firms involved in the property, hospitality or catering business.
In all, there are 17 firms which receive about €50 million a year to run 34 accommodation centres across the State, providing for about 4,000 asylum seekers.
A glimpse inside their accounts show that many are highly profitable and have recorded six or even seven-figure pre-tax profits.
Some larger companies have moved to shield their accounts from public scrutiny by creating unlimited companies, often with parent firms in off-shore jurisdictions. This means it is impossible to calculate how much money they are making from the system.

The biggest recipient of public funding is Mosney Holidays plc, which has been paid more than €100 million for accommodating up to 800 asylum seekers at the former Butlin’s holiday resort in Co Meath.
Its last published accounts, in 2009, show accumulated profits at the end of the year of €5.4 million. The following year it became an unlimited company and so does not publish its accounts. It is owned by an Isle of Man company called Sonning Unlimited.
During 2009, Mosney made a €4,050 contribution to Fianna Fáil, according to the accounts.

I, along with almost every decent person in this country have never had and will never have a problem with genuine asylum seekers or refugees, you only have to look at the Vietnamese boat people or the refugees from Bosnia in the early 90s...

What people have a problem with is economic migrants who pass over and go around a dozen countries before landing here.