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Deutsche Bank - Is it going to collapse?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Big C


    For the treatment I/we got from NIB I won't shed any tears for this shower of Sh**s


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭jimmy blevins


    I wonder where this fits in the EU establisment narrative that the feckless "pigs" brought financial doom on themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭the dark phantom


    George Soros took his money out of DB months ago so its been on the cards a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭ollaetta


    Big C wrote: »
    For the treatment I/we got from NIB I won't shed any tears for this shower of Sh**s

    Maybe I'm missing something but NIB customers got shafted by Danske Bank.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Big C wrote: »
    For the treatment I/we got from NIB I won't shed any tears for this shower of Sh**s

    :) I can empathise. Good that you sstill have your sense of humour.

    But if it does sink it will mean some other great financial pit for all of us. And it is always the ''little people'' who pay for these things. I think the whole money game is beyond ridiculous at this stage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,021 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    is it not a case of a self fulfilling prophecy?

    enough media groups report it (regardless of whether it is true or not) and it has the effect of spooking the stock market.. which causes a collapse

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    everlast75 wrote: »
    is it not a case of a self fulfilling prophecy?

    enough media groups report it (regardless of whether it is true or not) and it has the effect of spooking the stock market.. which causes a collapse

    Yes, I was thinking that too. Though there does seem to be genuine problems at the heart of the bank itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Deutsche Bank - Is it going to collapse


    Maybe they'll come to us for another bail out, since we're pretty good at covering the sins of others and bailing out corrupt, scumbag banks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,057 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Maybe they'll come to us for another bail out, since we're pretty good at covering the sins of others and bailing out corrupt, scumbag banks.

    They'll probably borrow from the Greek National Bank.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    There seems to be a lot of uncertainty about Deutsche bank. The people at the bank say the uncertainty is being exaggerated and ...yet...the share price drops and drops. If Deutsche bank gets a bail out from state, it is likely to play out badly for Merkel. If the bank collapses, it is likely to be the first of many, creating a domino effect with Italian banks for example. I am a complete amateur in the field of International finance, but having studied up recently (by watching The Big Short :D) I am surprised there is not more media coverage of this possible event. It could be pretty nasty if it all slips away.

    Here are a few examples of the various sources I have been reading, from the stiff suits to the weirdos.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/deutsche-bank-crisis-threatens-meltdown-beyond-german-borders-1.2811798





    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/29/deutsche-bank-under-pressure-as-hedge-funds-cut-exposure/

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/angela-merkel-has-bungled-the-deutsche-bank-crisis-like-everything-else-2016-09-30


    https://steemit.com/money/@dollarvigilante/deutsche-bank-hangs-by-a-thread-on-eve-of-jubilee



    I am interested in what people think about this. And in learning more. Thanks.

    Deutsche Bank will be bought out, merged or bailed out. The institution won't be let collapse because it would trigger another financial crisis.

    If Lehman was saved there would have been time to unwind the other banks positions. This probably would have led to long stagnant period, instead of a sharp deep recession.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    I don't have your money. It's in...It's in Tom's house. And in George Soros' house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    It will take Europe down with it

    your move Herr Merkel


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Deutsche Bank will be bought out, merged or bailed out. The institution won't be let collapse because it would trigger another financial crisis.

    If Lehman was saved there would have been time to unwind the other banks positions. This probably would have led to long stagnant period, instead of a sharp deep recession.

    Interesting. Thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Letter today from John Cryan, CEO of Deutsche Bank, to employees...
    Dear Colleagues,

    You will have seen speculation in the media that a few of our hedge fund clients have reduced some activities with us. That is causing unjustified concerns. We should consider this in the context of the bigger picture: Deutsche Bank overall has more than 20 million clients.

    I understand if you feel concerned by the extensive coverage on this issue. Our bank has become subject to speculation. Ongoing rumors are causing significant swings in our stock price.

    It is our task now to prevent distorted perception from further interrupting our daily business. Trust is the foundation of banking. Some forces in the markets are currently trying to damage this trust.

    Deutsche Bank has strong fundamentals. Let me mention some of the most important facts at this point:

    1. We fulfill all current capital requirements and our restructuring is well on track. We completed the disposal of the British insurer Abbey Life this week and the sale of our stake in the Chinese Hua Xia Bank will be finalized soon. This will further improve our capital ratio.

    2. We have significantly decreased our market and credit risk in recent years. At no point in the last two decades has the balance sheet of Deutsche Bank been as stable as it is today.

    3. Despite low interest rates and a difficult environment we posted a pre-tax profit of about 1 billion euros in the first half of 2016. Before extraordinary items like restructuring costs, we earned about 1.7 billion euros. This demonstrates the operating strength of Deutsche Bank.

    4. In a situation like this, the most important factor is our liquidity reserves. Currently they still amount to more than 215 billion euros. This is an extremely comfortable buffer. This is clear proof of how conservatively we have planned. This is acknowledged by numerous banking analysts.

    There is therefore no basis for this speculation. Nor can uncertainty about the outcome of our litigation cases in the US explain this pressure on our stock price, if we take the settlements of our peers as a benchmark.

    You have all done a tremendous job over the past few days. You are the ones who are in constant contact with our clients and making it clear how Deutsche Bank is really doing. You are Deutsche Bank – that is impressively clear. All of us in the Management Board highly appreciate it.

    You will hear back from me soon. Please keep working as you have been doing so far. We are and we remain a strong Deutsche Bank.

    Yours sincerely,

    John Cryan
    I bolded one sentence. Why would some market forces seek to damage trust?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Its 4th largest bank in the world, for it to fail it would cause a severe economic crisis for all of us. Would be worse then 2008?

    The German Government will have to step in if they think its about to fail surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    Letter today from John Cryan, CEO of Deutsche Bank, to employees...


    I bolded one sentence. Why would some market forces seek to damage trust?

    They may have shorted the stock.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    The bank will fight to the last man and the last bullet.
    Retreat is forbidden.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,368 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Its 4th largest bank in the world, for it to fail it would cause a severe economic crisis for all of us. Would be worse then 2008?

    The German Government will have to step in if they think its about to fail surely?

    The Lehman collapse happened as a result of and during a period of extreme systemic shock (2006/2007)

    Deutsche is in a healthier position than Lehman in a relatively more stable global situation

    If Deutsche starts to slip it has more tools at it's disposal, and likewise the DE gov has tools it can use to aid the bank


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The Lehman collapse happened as a result of and during a period of extreme systemic shock (2006/2007)

    Deutsche is in a healthier position than Lehman in a relatively more stable global situation

    If Deutsche starts to slip it has more tools at it's disposal, and likewise the DE gov has tools it can use to aid the bank

    Yes, I saw 2 graphs on a site that show underlying situation (in US market at least) is different than 2008

    http://news.goldseek.com/ClifDroke/1473361500.php
    http://goldseek.com/news/ClifDroke/2016/9-8cd/hilmo1.jpg
    and this years graph
    http://goldseek.com/news/ClifDroke/2016/9-8cd/hilmo2.jpg

    I have also seen however that Merkel would not bail it out. So, it would be something else then. I suppose we shall know more over next week or so.

    http://fortune.com/2016/09/29/deutsche-bank-germany-bailout/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,991 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Big C wrote: »
    For the treatment I/we got from NIB I won't shed any tears for this shower of Sh**s

    NIB was taken over by Danske Bank, not Deutsche Bank.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 334 ✭✭skywanderer


    Deutsch Bank has a $72 TRILLION exposure, it cannot be saved nor should it, Lehman Brothers was rightly left collapse and Deutsch Bank must be left collapse too. The only way out of this will be to bring back the Gold Standard and forget FIAT currency.

    Smart investors hoard Gold, Canned Food, Guns and lots of Ammunition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Deutsch Bank has a $72 TRILLION exposure, it cannot be saved nor should it, Lehman Brothers was rightly left collapse and Deutsch Bank must be left collapse too. The only way out of this will be to bring back the Gold Standard and forget FIAT currency.

    Smart investors hoard Gold, Canned Food, Guns and lots of Ammunition.

    I agree it should not be saved.
    As for guns, I went the self-sufficiency route 25 years ago. But any conversation that starts out with ''What would you do if the **** hits the fan?'' rapidly convenes on the need for guns if people are being truthful, and that is a psychological leap I seem incapable of taking. I LOVE the Walking Dead (to my immense surprise!) but if things took a bad turn in truth I would rather die early and fast. :o


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Letter today from John Cryan, CEO of Deutsche Bank, to employees...

    In other words, the ship is sinking, yo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭cbyrd


    Deutsch Bank has a $72 TRILLION exposure, it cannot be saved nor should it, Lehman Brothers was rightly left collapse and Deutsch Bank must be left collapse too. The only way out of this will be to bring back the Gold Standard and forget FIAT currency.


    I'm banking on that.. well staying away from banks and buying silver.. I'll be minted if this happens :D
    There's a few countries now starting to push to bring back the gold standard.. paper currency is not worth the paper it's printed on. There's nothing to back it up, just numbers on a computer.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Deutsche Bank will be bought out, merged or bailed out. The institution won't be let collapse because it would trigger another financial crisis.

    If Lehman was saved there would have been time to unwind the other banks positions. This probably would have led to long stagnant period, instead of a sharp deep recession.

    Are you for real? What makes you think the powers that be would want to avoid a financial crisis? It's the most effective tool in slashing funding for public programs, raising taxes and putting all that money into private hands. That's how it works. Crash the economy, drive asset prices down so they can be snapped up by private funds at fire sale prices, gut social programs because the primes will say "well you know, we all have to tighten our belts" rinse..repeat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    lots of the money has been transfered to Switzerland and Lichtenstein (Im just guessing)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    It will take Europe down with it
    your move Herr Merkel
    Neh, doubtful. At worst it might cut off its US arm and tell the US government to go sing for its $14bn - isolate the bank from that loss.

    The EU is not going to give Deutsch bailout money so it can be sent to the United States.
    Deutsch Bank has a $72 TRILLION exposure
    Are you sure about that? That would be close to the entire output of the world n a year. If Deutsch went down, everything goes down with it.
    Smart investors hoard Gold, Canned Food, Guns and lots of Ammunition.
    Sure they do. Don't the richest 100 people in the world all run Gold & Tuna & Guns & Ammo conglomerates.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    HSBC is in no fit state either.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    lots of the money has been transfered to Switzerland and Lichtenstein (Im just guessing)

    Lots of money flowing into Irish banks I've been reliably informed. Kind of makes me want to speak a little German - Schadenfreude


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Letter today from John Cryan, CEO of Deutsche Bank, to employees...


    I bolded one sentence. Why would some market forces seek to damage trust?

    The lads have been watching Star Wars too much and actually believe in The Force.


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