So I emailed two TDs about 10PM off-licensing rule

xlogo · 29-09-2016 10:26PM

Who are the TD's?

Commotion Ocean · 29-09-2016 10:26PM

your wish is my command

I would like to see a poll added to gauge opinion on this ridiculous legislation. Is that possible lads?

Simple poll - 10PM good, 10PM bad, I own a pub/no comment.

Spanish Eyes · 29-09-2016 10:26PM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

Personally, I think the 10.30am one is even more stupid. Can't buy a bottle of wine when I'm doing the shop on a Saturday morning.
It's nonsensical nonsense.

That fekkin kills me. So ridiculous. If they are that concerned it should only be available after 5pm. What is the benefit of 10.30? Same time as the pubs open or something?

God Help you if you want to do your shopping on a Sunday morning! 12.30 I think. (same time as the pub again lol).

Can't be having the offies with an advantage now can we?

Ted111 · 29-09-2016 10:28PM

xlogo wrote: »

Who are the TD's?

Left TD and Right TD.

darkpagandeath · 29-09-2016 10:31PM

NiallBoo · 29-09-2016 10:32PM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

Personally, I think the 10.30am one is even more stupid. Can't buy a bottle of wine when I'm doing the shop on a Saturday morning.
It's nonsensical nonsense.

City-centre supermarkets at 10.25am are a bloody depressing sight.

Samaris · 29-09-2016 10:35PM

This isn't really relevant to why Ireland specifically might have an issue with alcohol (well, it is, but undoubtedly not the full reason), but it does appear that Irish people are, well, lightweights :P I've talked about this before, so sorry if you're getting it again, but Ireland was a dairy country, and the Irish actually used to be known for their unusual height and health compared to Europe. It's pretty well-known that drinking the water wasn't exactly the safest activity for much of our history, and Europeans relied on beers and breweries for liquid to drink. The Irish, with our reserves of dairy, relied much more on milk than beers. On the plus side, we still have one of the lower rates of lactose intolerance (although that's growing); on the negative side, we didn't really need to develop a great tolerance for alcohol.

Also, I find 10PM an annoyingly arbitrary cut-off time for alcohol sales.

VonLuck · 29-09-2016 10:36PM

There should be a poll option for "indifferent".

dotsman · 29-09-2016 10:36PM

Wait a second - we have a right-wing TD?

Since when???

Please definitely name this person

darkpagandeath · 29-09-2016 10:37PM

dotsman wrote: »

Wait a second - we have a right-wing TD?

Since when???

Please definitely name this person

left AAA/PBP

Right FG i guess.

MeatTwoVeg · 29-09-2016 10:37PM

We should rise up and burn the Dail to the ground, then they might listen.

ED E · 29-09-2016 10:39PM

Its a load of tripe. Only helps the illegal out of ours can delivery lads.

Rank	Country	Liters of pure alcohol consumed per capita
1	Estonia	14.97   -  False reading, Finns at fault, also with stupid offo laws
2	Belarus	14.69
3	Lithuania	14.30
4	Andorra	13.31
5	Czech Republic	12.47
6	Austria	11.90
7	Ireland	11.75   -   Stupid time laws
8	France	11.40
9	Luxembourg	11.28
10	Hungary	11.21
11	Russian Federation	11.20
12	Germany	10.94
13	Saint Lucia	10.83
14	Poland	10.67   -   24Hr Offos on every bloody corner
15	Slovakia	10.64

Commotion Ocean · 29-09-2016 10:39PM

Wait a second - we have a right-wing TD?

Since when???

Please definitely name this person

He or she may be or may not be from our current incumbent ruling political party

Phil.x · 29-09-2016 10:39PM

Lots of TD's have pubs and they basically want rid of the off license trade.

Not for one minute think that they have your health at best interest, it's all about the pounds and the penny's

Seesee · 29-09-2016 10:48PM

10 PM Bad

At worst it's an inconvenience. At best it's reducing the supply of alcohol to a population that already drink too much and from too young an age and then depend on a crippled health service to sort out the issues. In continental Europe many supermarkets close on Saturday midday and don't reopen until Monday and people survive. So OP you just need to organise your shopping habits better!
Mediterranean countries have a totally different cultural approach to alcohol than those of us in the northern latitudes. Scandinavians, Russians, British and ourselves drink more often to get drunk than other cultures who will have one or two drinks. We also have longer darker, colder winters, a greater propensity to depression and higher rates of suicide than those Southern European countries we'd love to emulate. Restricting the sale in Sweden has reduced the problem. They also have MUP.

darkpagandeath · 29-09-2016 10:49PM

Seesee wrote: »

At worst it's an inconvenience. At best it's reducing the supply of alcohol to a population that already drink too much and from too young an age and then depend on a crippled health service to sort out the issues. In continental Europe many supermarkets close on Saturday midday and don't reopen until Monday and people survive. So OP you just need to organise your shopping habits better!
Mediterranean countries have a totally different cultural approach to alcohol than those of us in the northern latitudes. Scandinavians, Russians, British and ourselves drink more often to get drunk than other cultures who will have one or two drinks. We also have longer darker, colder winters, a greater propensity to depression and higher rates of suicide than those Southern European countries we'd love to emulate. Restricting the sale in Sweden has reduced the problem. They also have MUP.

Link ....

Commotion Ocean · 29-09-2016 10:51PM

Drinking too much from a young age?? What about some of our continental neighbours where it's normal for 16 y/o's to have a glass of wine with dinner or where purchase age for beer or wine is 16. No problems there.

Seesee · 29-09-2016 10:53PM

10 PM Bad

Find it hilarious that you want proof but here's the latest report I listened to interview recently:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0829/812589-rutland-addiction/

Seesee · 29-09-2016 10:54PM

10 PM Bad

dfeo wrote: »

Drinking too much from a young age?? What about some of our continental neighbours where it's normal for 16 y/o's to have a glass of wine with dinner or where purchase age for beer or wine is 16. No problems there.

A glass of wine not a litre of vodka. And a different cultural attitude to alcohol.

MeatTwoVeg · 29-09-2016 10:57PM

Seesee wrote:

At best it's reducing the supply of alcohol to a population that already drink too much .

It doesn't reduce supply in the slightest.
You can buy as much alcohol as you want outside these arbitrary hours if you wish. There's not an alcoholic in the country even mildly inconvenienced by this nonsense.

ChikiChiki · 29-09-2016 11:00PM

dfeo wrote: »

This is our correspondence:

I have been ignored since my last reply .... over a week ago :P

Does anyone else feel the same about this or am I just a big alco? :P

Seriously, I think people have more things to be worrying about like finding a decent affordable fcuking place to rent in Dublin!! I'd like to see a TD bother replying to an email about housing.

Seesee · 29-09-2016 11:01PM

10 PM Bad

Of course it reduces supply. If you want to buy a bottle of wine and it's closed and you can't, supply is reduced. If you're heading home from the pub and want more booze and you can't buy it, supply reduced.

Spanish Eyes · 29-09-2016 11:04PM

Seesee wrote: »

At worst it's an inconvenience. At best it's reducing the supply of alcohol to a population that already drink too much and from too young an age and then depend on a crippled health service to sort out the issues. In continental Europe many supermarkets close on Saturday midday and don't reopen until Monday and people survive. So OP you just need to organise your shopping habits better!
Mediterranean countries have a totally different cultural approach to alcohol than those of us in the northern latitudes. Scandinavians, Russians, British and ourselves drink more often to get drunk than other cultures who will have one or two drinks. We also have longer darker, colder winters, a greater propensity to depression and higher rates of suicide than those Southern European countries we'd love to emulate. Restricting the sale in Sweden has reduced the problem. They also have MUP.

I believe a lot of our Northern European neighbours with restricted alcohol sales, and very high prices make various trips to cheaper neighbouring countries to stock up.

And maybe that is why so many of them frequent Spain and the Canaries too!

http://hejsweden.com/en/the-swedes-and-alcohol-about-drinking-in-sweden/

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 29-09-2016 11:05PM

Supply reduced and little or no reduction in consumption.
Perhaps it's time to try a new approach?

Seesee wrote: »

Of course it reduces supply. If you want to buy a bottle of wine and it's closed and you can't, supply is reduced. If you're heading home from the pub and want more booze and you can't buy it, supply reduced.

MeatTwoVeg · 29-09-2016 11:05PM

Seesee wrote:

Of course it reduces supply. If you want to buy a bottle of wine and it's closed and you can't, supply is reduced. If you're heading home from the pub and want more booze and you can't buy it, supply reduced.

I'm afraid you've no ides what "supply" means.
It simply reduces the hours you can buy the product.

ED E · 29-09-2016 11:05PM

Seesee wrote: »

Of course it reduces supply. If you want to buy a bottle of wine and it's closed and you can't, supply is reduced. If you're heading home from the pub and want more booze and you can't buy it, supply reduced.

If you believe that visit any Tesco on a Holy Thursday and you'll see how it has a the exact opposite effect.

House warming recently, we bought twice as much booze as needed at 8PM because we'd rather not run out.

Spanish Eyes · 29-09-2016 11:09PM

ED E wrote: »

If you believe that visit any Tesco on a Holy Thursday and you'll see how it has a the exact opposite effect.

House warming recently, we bought twice as much booze as needed at 8PM because we'd rather not run out.

In fairness, it does reduce "impulse" buying of alcohol.

But as another poster said, most people know the times, and plan accordingly.

Commotion Ocean · 29-09-2016 11:12PM

But as another poster said, most people know the times, and plan accordingly.

Why should we have to though?

Seesee · 29-09-2016 11:12PM

10 PM Bad

ED E wrote: »

[QU
House warming recently, we bought twice as much booze as needed at 8PM because we'd rather not run out.

Did you drink it all?
Seriously though we have a really, really huge problem with alcohol in this country. We need more measures to reduce consumption not less.

ED E · 29-09-2016 11:15PM

Seesee wrote: »

Did you drink it all?
Seriously though we have a really, really huge problem with alcohol in this country. We need more measures to reduce consumption not less.

No, but the same as putting large portions of food on a plate has been shown to cause over eating having 24 bottles sitting there instead of 6 is likely to encourage excess.

So I emailed two TDs about 10PM off-licensing rule

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