Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

54and56 · 29-09-2016 01:55PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Yea, absolutely. They may not want to sell up, but an expanded state of the art stadium should not be viewed as money wasted as it just adds more value to the club should FSG want to sell up

You seriously need to join the dots in relation to what creates business value and what doesn't. A "state of the art stadium" will only add value if it is generating significantly more revenue and profit than the existing stadium setup is.

Pouring money into [name your pet project] if the net result is less profit can only be justified on a vanity basis and that's not FSG.

NukaCola · 29-09-2016 02:02PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

You seriously need to join the dots in relation to what creates business value and what doesn't. A "state of the art stadium" will only add value if it is generating significantly more revenue and profit than the existing stadium setup is.

Pouring money into [name your pet project] if the net result is less profit can only be justified on a vanity basis and that's not FSG.

If your buying Liverpool and the stadium is 60,000 not 54,000 without the need of upgrading facilities I would have thought that would add value to the asset and cost you more?

54and56 · 29-09-2016 02:13PM

NukaCola wrote: »

If your buying Liverpool and the stadium is 60,000 not 54,000 without the need of upgrading facilities I would have thought that would add value to the asset and cost you more?

Yes but it might add less value than it cost to build the stadium.

If you own a piece of land worth €1m and you spend €250,000 digging a deep hole in the middle of it the net result may be that it it now actually be worth only €900,000 as it's going to cost a new owner €100,000 to fill in the hole just to get it back to it's original condition.

Look at us talking all economics and $h1t in the LFC thread.

Best supporters ever!!

NukaCola · 29-09-2016 02:21PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Look at us talking all economics and $h1t in the LFC thread.

I think I'll leave it at that. :pac:

I just think its a bit strange that John Henry said that ticket prices are a main reason that redevelopment may not go ahead. You raised some good points that would make more sense to have said instead ie "we'll have to see if it makes financial sense to continue with redevelopment".....then again it may have been an on the spot remark and not exactly a reason for no redevelopment.

All in all I think most agree we are in safe hands with FSG for now anyway.

Talisman · 29-09-2016 02:26PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

Not the Arabs who now own them but the Thai lad who bought them and sold it on to the Arabs

That said I think DIC bid more than H&G too.

Thaksin Shinawatra was looking to buy 30% of the club for £65M. As part of the deal he also wanted all commercial rights for Asia. He wasn't going to invest any money of his own, he proposed to create a lottery system in Thailand to fund the deal. Liverpool backed away from the deal when it became clear that the people of Thailand were going to provide the funding.

Shinawatra later returned with the funds being provided by a consortium of Thai companies. There were some ridiculous proposals from elements of the consortium in return for their financial support for the deal. For instance, a Thai media company wanted to have a reality tv show in Thailand where the winner would win a contract with Liverpool and play in the Premier League for a season.

Shinawatra was a total crook and thankfully the Liverpool board didn't make a deal with him.

BullBlackNova · 29-09-2016 02:32PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Grujic has been shortlisted for the Golden Boy Award.

The short list is 40 names but still.

http://www.tuttosport.com/sondaggi/calcio/2016/09/29-15876453/vota_il_golden_boy_2016_scegli_il_tuo_preferito/

If anyone wants to see the full shortlist (or commandeer the vote...), here's the link.

Some great players on there.

martyos121 · 29-09-2016 02:37PM

I see we've just been linked with "the next Zlatan", Alexander Isak.

Just need bornetobywilde to look into his eyes now to see if he's got what it takes.

dogbert27 · 29-09-2016 03:02PM

Aresnal's max season ticket price is £2039
Spurs max season ticket price is £1895
Man City's max season ticket price is £1750
Chelsea's max season ticket price is £1250
United's max season ticket price is £950
Bournemouth's max season ticket price is £950
West Ham's max season ticket price is £899

Liverpool's max season ticket price is £869

Match day ticket prices (most expensive)

Arsenal £97
Burnley £40
Bournemouth £32 (lowest price, can't find a max)
Chelsea £75
Crystal Palace £30
Everton £49
Hull £33
Liverpool £59
Leicester £48 (for cat B, can't find a cat A price)
Man City £58
Man Utd £53
Middlesboro £39
Sunderland £40
Stoke £35
Swansea £45
Tottenham £81
Watford £36
West Brom £39
West Ham £70

What FSG would see in these figures is that there is scope there against teams that are considered our rivals, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

Man City were given a free stadium so there prices are not as excessive and United had their Stadium expanded in the 90's and now paid for so there ticket prices are not excessive yet both are around the same price as ours.

These prices are the top end, you can get tickets in the 30 pound bracket for these teams too. Football isn't about 11 versus 11 anymore. It's a global product and if you don't keep pace financially you get left behind like Liverpool in the 90's under Moores. It took him about 15 years to realise he couldn't keep up and we suffered for it. You can argue that we've lined up other revenue streams with sponsorships but so have our rivals.

The average industrial wage in England is £517 a week. You can buy a match day ticket for Liverpool on the Kop for £37. Even if you pay the full whack of £59 for the main stand it's not that bad.

TitianGerm · 29-09-2016 03:06PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Aresnal's max season ticket price is £2039
Spurs max season ticket price is £1895
Man City's max season ticket price is £1750
Chelsea's max season ticket price is £1250
United's max season ticket price is £950
Bournemouth's max season ticket price is £950
West Ham's max season ticket price is £899

Liverpool's max season ticket price is £869

Match day ticket prices (most expensive)

Arsenal £97
Burnley £40
Bournemouth £32 (lowest price, can't find a max)
Chelsea £75
Crystal Palace £30
Everton £49
Hull £33
Liverpool £59
Leicester £48 (for cat B, can't find a cat A price)
Man City £58
Man Utd £53
Middlesboro £39
Sunderland £40
Stoke £35
Swansea £45
Tottenham £81
Watford £36
West Brom £39
West Ham £70

What FSG would see in these figures is that there is scope there against teams that are considered our rivals, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

Man City were given a free stadium so there prices are not as excessive and United had their Stadium expanded in the 90's and now paid for so there ticket prices are not excessive yet both are around the same price as ours.

These prices are the top end, you can get tickets in the 30 pound bracket for these teams too. Football isn't about 11 versus 11 anymore. It's a global product and if you don't keep pace financially you get left behind like Liverpool in the 90's under Moores. It took him about 15 years to realise he couldn't keep up and we suffered for it. You can argue that we've lined up other revenue streams with sponsorships but so have our rivals.

The average industrial wage in England is £517 a week. You can buy a match day ticket for Liverpool on the Kop for £37. Even if you pay the full whack of £59 for the main stand it's not that bad.

Man City could do with reducing their prices. They couldn't even fill the stadium for Peps first home game in the league.

dogbert27 · 29-09-2016 03:12PM

emmetkenny wrote: »

Man City could do with reducing their prices. They couldn't even fill the stadium for Peps first home game in the league.

I think it shows that for all their recent success and money they still don't have a global fan base. You know, the "not real" supporters who travel 100's of kilometers and pay a sxxt load of money just to get the chance to see the team they support play.

Talisman · 29-09-2016 03:14PM

NukaCola wrote: »

The actual quote from Henry about the Anfield road stand "I don't know if there is a next step because ticket prices are an issue in England" "That may foreclose further expansion. We'll have to see."

Basically no redevelopment because of ticket prices.

Are we being told that they wont build a stand because they cant make an extra couple of million a season from tickets? Are the ticket prices really a huge drawback in redevelopment? You'd imagine they would eventually make their money back on construction long term?

Surely when they flip Liverpool for a huge profit, things like this add value to the overall product? Seems like theres a bit more to this than being ice cold financially.

It isn't simply ticket prices. John Henry isn't going to get into a public spat with the Liverpool City council when their support will be required for the future development of the stadium.

If Anfield is expanded closer to 60,000 capacity there is an issue with transport links to the stadium. In the past, the council wanted the club to fund the re-establishment of a rail link as a condition for supporting the expansion of the stadium capacity to 60,000. This has been a major planning issue in the past and partly the reason why the redevelopment is in staged planning proposals.

Liverpool City council will want the club to fund the development of the transport links and services in the area, so the additional 6,000 seats will have to finance this additional cost also. In effect, the additional capacity will cost a hell of a lot more than it is financially worth to the club.

A smarter move would be to sit tight for now and see how Everton's plans for Goodison Park play out. The council reneged on the plan for their proposed move to Walton Hall Park last year and with the money in the Premier League at the moment Everton should be more than capable of affording their share of the redevelopment of the area.

x43r0 · 29-09-2016 03:16PM

Improved transport links to the stadium are badly needed IMO

Cabs/Buses are your only options back into the city after a game and they are very hit and miss. Most times I just make the half hour walk into town

BorneTobyWilde · 29-09-2016 03:18PM

Why hit fans for cost of stadium. The 90 million tv money should all go on next stand.
Fans are easy pickings. Few new commercial deals and some tv money. Sell naming rights to next stand for cost of stand. Apple Stand . They have billions in reserve cash.
Do they deal.

Agent Coulson · 29-09-2016 03:21PM

Just sell Moreno, Sakho & Mignolet and any other player the fans don't want or like with the going rate for players these days that should cover the cost of a new stand.

54and56 · 29-09-2016 03:26PM

x43r0 wrote: »

Improved transport links to the stadium are badly needed IMO

Cabs/Buses are your only options back into the city after a game and they are very hit and miss. Most times I just make the half hour walk into town

Had to do it a few times with my 10/11 year old and once in the lashing rain when he had just started to get a bad dose of the trots after eating something dodgy (funny that on a boys trip away!!) so anything which would make the trip in and out of the city centre would be very welcomed and would also be a bonus to local residents who wouldn't have to put up with as much road traffic congestion plus they'd have access to the new transport 365 days a year.

NukaCola · 29-09-2016 03:26PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Just sell Moreno, Sakho & Mignolet and any other player the fans don't want or like with the going rate for players these days that should cover the cost of a new stand.

With Sakho shipped out who will paint it?

martyos121 · 29-09-2016 03:34PM

NukaCola wrote: »

With Sakho shipped out who will paint it?

Know a lad called Sam will get the job done well, but some crowd of Malaysians will have ownership of 10% of the first coat of paint and a further 5% of subsequent coats.

NukaCola · 29-09-2016 03:39PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Know a lad called Sam will get the job done well, but some crowd of Malaysians will have ownership of 10% of the first coat of paint and a further 5% of subsequent coats.

We can get around that :pac:

martyos121 · 29-09-2016 03:41PM

NukaCola wrote: »

We can get around that :pac:

Around Sam? Doubt it mate, he's bloody huge. Built like a Sherman tank filled with gravy and cod.

29-09-2016 03:48PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Had to do it a few times with my 10/11 year old and once in the lashing rain when he had just started to get a bad dose of the trots after eating something dodgy............

:eek:

Christ, sounds fairly grim alright.

rob316 · 29-09-2016 03:52PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Aresnal's max season ticket price is £2039
Spurs max season ticket price is £1895
Man City's max season ticket price is £1750
Chelsea's max season ticket price is £1250
United's max season ticket price is £950
Bournemouth's max season ticket price is £950
West Ham's max season ticket price is £899

Liverpool's max season ticket price is £869

Match day ticket prices (most expensive)

Arsenal £97
Burnley £40
Bournemouth £32 (lowest price, can't find a max)
Chelsea £75
Crystal Palace £30
Everton £49
Hull £33
Liverpool £59
Leicester £48 (for cat B, can't find a cat A price)
Man City £58
Man Utd £53
Middlesboro £39
Sunderland £40
Stoke £35
Swansea £45
Tottenham £81
Watford £36
West Brom £39
West Ham £70

What FSG would see in these figures is that there is scope there against teams that are considered our rivals, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

Man City were given a free stadium so there prices are not as excessive and United had their Stadium expanded in the 90's and now paid for so there ticket prices are not excessive yet both are around the same price as ours.

These prices are the top end, you can get tickets in the 30 pound bracket for these teams too. Football isn't about 11 versus 11 anymore. It's a global product and if you don't keep pace financially you get left behind like Liverpool in the 90's under Moores. It took him about 15 years to realise he couldn't keep up and we suffered for it. You can argue that we've lined up other revenue streams with sponsorships but so have our rivals.

The average industrial wage in England is £517 a week. You can buy a match day ticket for Liverpool on the Kop for £37. Even if you pay the full whack of £59 for the main stand it's not that bad.

You cant compare Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal to Liverpool's ticket prices, London will always have a premium.

The tickets prices are already high enough, I don't agree with any increases. Reality is match day revenue is small compared to other streams, getting the club consistently competing in the CL should be the real financial goal.

Riesen_Meal · 29-09-2016 03:58PM

Saw this on a Liverpool page on Facebook, pinch of salt required obviously :

Talisman · 29-09-2016 04:00PM

x43r0 wrote: »

Improved transport links to the stadium are badly needed IMO

The argument made by the club in the past is that it is the responsibility of the council and Merseytravel to provide the services. For the past 20 years, the council were pushing for the club to partially fund the development of transport links.

A couple of years ago Merseytravel announced a 30 year plan for the redevelopment of the rail infrastructure. Part of the proposal includes the creation of some new stations including one for Anfield.

Merseytravel plan to open or reopen host of new stations

martyos121 · 29-09-2016 04:03PM

Fieldog wrote: »

Saw this on a Liverpool page on Facebook, pinch of salt required obviously :

I'd be shocked if Pardew, Pulis and Redknapp weren't on that list, the rest I didn't expect but as you said, pinch of salt at this stage.

Riesen_Meal · 29-09-2016 04:05PM

martyos121 wrote: »

I'd be shocked if Pardew, Pulis and Redknapp weren't on that list, the rest I didn't expect but as you said, pinch of salt at this stage.

That's why I put pinch of salt on it, could be just LFC fan hearsay, gonna be an interesting few weeks in the PL....

Talisman · 29-09-2016 04:06PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

West Ham's max season ticket price is £899

Match day ticket prices (most expensive)

West Ham £70

Cheeky feckers - the 60,000 seat stadium is costing them £2.5M a year.

NukaCola · 29-09-2016 04:20PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQGoHRn8Tpw&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQGoHRn8Tpw

Swansea presser

NukaCola · 29-09-2016 04:25PM

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/781488155157524480?s=09

garra · 29-09-2016 04:33PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Aresnal's max season ticket price is £2039
Spurs max season ticket price is £1895
Man City's max season ticket price is £1750
Chelsea's max season ticket price is £1250
United's max season ticket price is £950
Bournemouth's max season ticket price is £950
West Ham's max season ticket price is £899

Liverpool's max season ticket price is £869

Match day ticket prices (most expensive)

Arsenal £97
Burnley £40
Bournemouth £32 (lowest price, can't find a max)
Chelsea £75
Crystal Palace £30
Everton £49
Hull £33
Liverpool £59
Leicester £48 (for cat B, can't find a cat A price)
Man City £58
Man Utd £53
Middlesboro £39
Sunderland £40
Stoke £35
Swansea £45
Tottenham £81
Watford £36
West Brom £39
West Ham £70

What FSG would see in these figures is that there is scope there against teams that are considered our rivals, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

Man City were given a free stadium so there prices are not as excessive and United had their Stadium expanded in the 90's and now paid for so there ticket prices are not excessive yet both are around the same price as ours.

These prices are the top end, you can get tickets in the 30 pound bracket for these teams too. Football isn't about 11 versus 11 anymore. It's a global product and if you don't keep pace financially you get left behind like Liverpool in the 90's under Moores. It took him about 15 years to realise he couldn't keep up and we suffered for it. You can argue that we've lined up other revenue streams with sponsorships but so have our rivals.

The average industrial wage in England is £517 a week. You can buy a match day ticket for Liverpool on the Kop for £37. Even if you pay the full whack of £59 for the main stand it's not that bad.

There is no great justification or need to increase ticket prices at a greater rate than inflation.
With Klopp as our manager it is obvious we are not looking to "buy" our way to success, so our need for greater match-day ticket revenue is nullified.

We are increasing our off-field revenues considerably already, and this extra revenue will easily cover additional transfer fee or wages spending in our current modus operandi (ie Klopp buying lesser know talent and developing it instead of buying just finished articles).

I was going to suggest that increasing match day ticket prices may result in less atmosphere on match days, with local vocal fans being priced out over time and replaced with day trippers... But lets face it, Anfield has been a morgue for a long time even with low ticket prices.

I would be surprised if FSG's additonal match day income from 10000 additional seats would not cover the Stadium Loan amount over 10 years or so.

29-09-2016 04:40PM

Ticket prices are high enough.

Unfair to keep bleeding the match going fan. Stick a sponsor on the new stand for a few years to pay it off if needs be.

And maybe stop pissing money away on wasters, eg Ballotelli and then moving them on for peanuts. Granted, this summer was better in that regard. Down to having a proper manager tbf and not a spoofer

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