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Why I am anti abortion and opposed to repealing the 8th.

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  • #92
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,979 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I'm sincerely worried about the current generations ability to spot blatant trolling.


  • #93
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    So aborting a damaged embryo that cannot survive is murder but allowing that foetus to suffer for months is fine with you.


  • #94
    brickmauser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭brickmauser


    VinLieger wrote: »
    What if a women accidentally falls over causing a miscarriage while going about their normal day to day life is that murder? manslaughter? or what? Road deaths caused by people not paying attention can easily end up being charged as manslaughter so if a mother missed a step while day dreaming and fell down a stairs whats the difference? Should pregnant women therefore be chained to beds for the whole 9-10 months of their pregnancies?

    If it can be proven that a person caused the death of a baby in the woman by carelessness or intentionally then yes they should be punished accordingly for causing the death of a human being. Two unborn children were murdered in the Omagh bomb.


  • #95
    LCD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭LCD


    brickmauser wrote: »
    Yes

    Your selfishness has resulted in the needless deaths of three human beings. You are killing three of your own children your own flesh and blood.

    However it is just a cell, there is no flesh & blood.


  • #96
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,761 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    brickmauser wrote: »
    Yes

    Your selfishness has resulted in the needless deaths of three human beings. You are killing three of your own children your own flesh and blood.

    ah would you ever just get lost

    troll


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  • #97
    OldGoat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,642 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    brickmauser wrote: »
    This is not about belief this is about fact.
    The fact is a fertilized egg is human and that fact is that killing it is murder.
    Killing the unborn human at any point between fertilization of the egg and birth is therefore murder.
    That is a fact that is not open to any dispute whatsoever.
    The fact are undeniable.

    “You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”


    ― Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • #98
    danois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭danois


    Posts like this annoy me. I am anti abortion I could never have an abortion. I won't go into detail as I'm sure people might know me but I have been in a situation where a lot of people recommend an abortion. Not for medical reason but because of how the pregnancy came about. I sat and considered the issue long and hard and I came to the conclusion that I personally feel it's murder. I don't have any science to back up when an egg becomes a human but my own personal belief is from conception that's a little human.

    In saying that I would never judge someone who did and to say if a mums life's in danger tough luck is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. I don't see the need for people to constantly try force their issues and beliefs down other people's necks. This will forever be a divisive issue. We can go back and forth forever and it won't matter.

    It's a very personal issue and choice for anyone to make. I've had a close friend make the decision to abort her baby. I didn't scream murderer in her face. I didn't degrade and scream at her. I didn't try and talk her around. I understood it's her choice to make and why the hell the rest of the world can't keep their gobs shut and let people have their own opinion is beyond me.

    In saying that if there is another referendum I will still vote no to abortion. Not because I don't want people to have the choice to abort but i don't want it to be so easy that it becomes used almost like a form of conception. Which although I'm sure wouldn't be common place I'm sure it would happen.


  • #99
    brickmauser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭brickmauser


    LCD wrote: »
    However it is just a cell, there is no flesh & blood.

    They are human beings. They are alive and they will be killed. Flesh and blood is a figure of speech. You cannot deny your guilt.


  • #100
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    Can we just can it with the "mothers can't support abortion" nonsense? I was a birthmother who gave a baby up for adoption in college because I chose not to have an abortion. If I knew then what I knew now, I would have had one anyway, because the fallout was extremely difficult to recover from. Even then, I was a middle-class, educated white girl in excellent health, with a supportive boyfriend and friendly agency who helped me, the pick of three adoptive families in each of which one was a doctor and the other a teacher, and my pregnancy expenses completely paid. I had an uneventful delivery and the baby was perfect. It was a true best-case scenario, and if any part of it had gone wrong, my life would have been ruined instead of just permanently changed. Most people considering abortion don't get to have best-case scenarios. After all, abortion is about the pregnant person.


  • #101
    Riesen_Meal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    brickmauser wrote: »
    They are human beings. They are alive and they will be killed. Flesh and blood is a figure of speech. You cannot deny your guilt.

    I think you are just trolling at this stage...

    If you think a bag of blood, puss and chromosomes is a person then you have other issues to get past first...


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  • #102
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I'm sincerely worried about the current generations ability to spot blatant trolling.

    If only the OP was, but the re-reg headbanger has been building up to this for 2 weeks. As crazy as it seems, there are people out there who actually think like that.


  • #103
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    brickmauser wrote: »
    They are human beings. They are alive and they will be killed. Flesh and blood is a figure of speech. You cannot deny your guilt.

    Do you think so little of yourself that you see yourself as equal in value to a fertilised egg?


  • #104
    brickmauser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭brickmauser


    OldGoat wrote: »
    “You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”


    ― Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    The facts are the facts.
    A fertilized egg is human and a fetus is human.
    Killing that human life intentionally is murder.
    You don't have a counter argument because you can't defeat facts and logic.
    You know your beliefs are morally indefensible and you refuse to accept the truth.


  • #105
    danois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭danois


    brickmauser wrote: »
    They are human beings. They are alive and they will be killed. Flesh and blood is a figure of speech. You cannot deny your guilt.

    You need to grow up and stop trolling. You can repeat the same thing over and over but it doesn't change the fact that it's just your opinion. Every one is entitled to an opinion but everyone is also entitled to not have the opinions of others rammed down their throats constantly too. So please stop being so ignorant and grow up a bit.


  • #106
    MonkeyTennis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    brickmauser wrote: »
    Yes

    Your selfishness has resulted in the needless deaths of three human beings. You are killing three of your own children your own flesh and blood.

    What little credibility you had is gone.

    You are entitled to your beliefs but its NOT your place to judge others.


  • #107
    LCD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭LCD


    brickmauser wrote: »
    They are human beings. They are alive and they will be killed. Flesh and blood is a figure of speech. You cannot deny your guilt.

    So we had 6 eggs fertilised sitting in a freezer. Three, seperately, were transferred into Mrs LCD & ultimately did not attached to her womb & died. So then we committed, I am guessing by your bizarre logic man slaughter, by taking them from the freezer?


  • #108
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    brickmauser wrote: »
    LCD wrote: »
    Myself & Mrs LCD through assisted reproduction produced six fertilised eggs. 2 years ago they all sitting in a freezer in a lab. After 3 failed rounds of IVF, we have decided enough pain & heart ache is enough. We will not be doing it again, so those 3 remaining eggs will ultimately be destroyed. Are we committing murder?

    Yes

    Your selfishness has resulted in the needless deaths of three human beings. You are killing three of your own children your own flesh and blood.
    That is a dispicable thing to say to somebody who has been trying to start a family for that long. You're a far worse human than anyone who's had to undergo a termination.


  • #109
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    Fetus fetishists. You forced-pregnancy types are fetus fetishists, you and your religion that brainwashed you into believing that the contents of a pregnancy are worth more than the pregnant human being because the fetus is "innocent" and the mother is "sinful". Precious little you have to do with preserving the life of born human beings.


  • #110
    brickmauser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭brickmauser


    Fieldog wrote: »
    I think you are just trolling at this stage...

    If you think a bag of blood, puss and chromosomes is a person then you have other issues to get past first...

    It is a scientific fact that a human embryo is a living human being.

    Prove me wrong.

    You can't


  • #111
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,829 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    brickmauser wrote: »
    You cannot argue against my logic and reasoning.
    brickmauser wrote: »
    You can't argue otherwise.
    brickmauser wrote: »
    Killing the unborn therefore is murder.
    brickmauser wrote: »
    You are denying logic and fact if you deny this.

    You cannot argue against this because any argument in favour of abortion is not factual or logical or scientific.

    End of
    brickmauser wrote: »
    The facts are undeniable.

    Mod:

    This is a discussion site, not a blog.

    Either discuss the issue you started the thread on or stop posting altogether. Your choice*



    * nobody is forcing you to post against your will


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  • #112
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    brickmauser wrote: »
    It is a scientific fact that a human embryo is a living human being.

    Prove me wrong.

    You can't

    Even if we stipulate that the fetus is a living human being, it does not erase the right of the pregnant person to choose to terminate the pregnancy. You can try until you turn blue in the face to pretend to consider the fetus as a separate being from the mother, but the fact is that it's not a separate entity until it's a separate entity. Because you can't do anything for or with the fetus without doing it to the pregnant person, you cannot erase their existence, bodily autonomy, or humanity.


  • #113
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    brickmauser wrote: »
    Fieldog wrote: »
    I think you are just trolling at this stage...

    If you think a bag of blood, puss and chromosomes is a person then you have other issues to get past first...

    It is a scientific fact that a human embryo is a living human being.

    Prove me wrong.

    You can't
    What constitues a human being? No, seriously. Ability to breath, think, feel pain or sentiance?

    All of this is totally and completely subjective and therefore by definition is not "FACT".


  • #114
    talking_walnut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭talking_walnut


    brickmauser wrote: »
    The fertilized egg is a human being. That is a fact.
    Not a fact. Read any of the many other replies that explain this.
    Killing the unborn ends a human life. That is a fact.
    Not a fact. See above.
    The intentional killing of an innocent being is murder. That is a fact.
    Nope. Murder is a legal term. Not whatever you want to apply to it.
    When you accept the fact that the unborn is a human and you accept the fact that killing an innocent human intentionally is murder then you must accept as fact that intentionally killing the unborn is murder.

    You are denying logic and fact if you deny this.

    You cannot argue against this because any argument in favour of abortion is not factual or logical or scientific.

    End of

    You seem to think that using the words "logic" and "fact" makes things logical and factual. This is not the case. You've built all your arguments on a tenuous and frankly incorrect foundation, and keep stacking other massive leaps of logic on top. You haven't built the Great Pyramids of logical argument here. All you've built is an upside-down tetrahedron made of straw.


  • #115
    brickmauser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭brickmauser


    Speedwell wrote: »
    Fetus fetishists. You forced-pregnancy types are fetus fetishists, you and your religion that brainwashed you into believing that the contents of a pregnancy are worth more than the pregnant human being because the fetus is "innocent" and the mother is "sinful". Precious little you have to do with preserving the life of born human beings.

    Prove that a fetus is not an individual human being and prove that killing it is not intentional murder and then I will change my opinion.

    You cannot dispute fact and logic.


  • #116
    challengemaster
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    brickmauser wrote: »
    A fertilized egg is human and a fetus is human.

    I'm just curious what criteria you're using to define human or human being here.


  • #117
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,989 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    brickmauser wrote: »
    Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
    End of.
    brickmauser wrote: »
    They should be imprisoned for murder
    brickmauser wrote: »
    Killing anyone who is innocent is murder. When Hitler was a child he was innocent.
    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    What about an ectopic pregnancy?
    brickmauser wrote: »
    By resorting to absurdity and attempts at mockery without presenting a coherent argument to counter mine you are admitting defeat.

    You cannot argue against my logic and reasoning.


    You haven't answered the LexieOnRale though, would you stand beside a woman in pain until she dies just because of your beliefs? What about ectopic pregnancy?

    Is the mother in this case not innocent either?


  • #118
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,044 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    brickmauser wrote: »
    It is a scientific fact that a human embryo is a living human being.

    Prove me wrong.

    You can't

    Actually it's quite easy to. Frozen embryos that are stored for possible future implantation as part of an IVF procedure.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #119
    brickmauser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭brickmauser


    talking_walnut wrote: »
    Not a fact. Read any of the many other replies that explain this.

    Not a fact. See above.

    Nope. Murder is a legal term. Not whatever you want to apply to it.



    You seem to think that using the words "logic" and "fact" makes things logical and factual. This is not the case. You've built all your arguments on a tenuous and frankly incorrect foundation, and keep stacking other massive leaps of logic on top. You haven't built the Great Pyramids of logical argument here. All you've built is an upside-down tetrahedron made of straw.

    If my argument is supported by fact and logic by definition it is factual and logical.

    If you dispute facts and logic then your arguments have no basis in fact and logic.

    If your arguments are not logical or factual they are by definition wrong.


  • #120
    TheFatHombre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭TheFatHombre


    brickmauser wrote: »
    The facts are the facts.
    A fertilized egg is human and a fetus is human.
    Killing that human life intentionally is murder.
    You don't have a counter argument because you can't defeat facts and logic.
    You know your beliefs are morally indefensible and you refuse to accept the truth.

    I agree 100% abortion isn't as complexed as it's made out to be by the left, it's straight forward if it's a life you cannot kill it's immoral to take life not one person on this earth has the right to take life, it's not a random piece of flesh inside of you, it's not an appendix.. So don't feel bullied take your stand,


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  • #121
    Speedwell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    brickmauser wrote: »
    Prove that a fetus is not an individual human being and prove that killing it is not intentional murder and then I will change my opinion.

    You cannot dispute fact and logic.

    A fetus is not an individual human being because it is inside somebody. It is not murder (it is at best justifiable homicide) because the word "murder" has a meaning that does not include doing something to your own body. All abortions are not killing; many result in live babies (ever heard of induction of labor, for example)?


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