Why I am anti abortion and opposed to repealing the 8th.

brickmauser

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is a person.
If you deny that basic fact you are denying science the only basis on which we should make our decisions.

If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

LOL

I literally could not find one ounce of science in your post

elefant

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is person.
If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

Wow.

brickmauser

elefant wrote: »

Wow.

Killing an innocent person is always wrong.

End of

ancapailldorcha

I stopped reading when you described a foetus as person because it's alive. I've bags of living human cells growing at work. They're not a person either.

MonkeyTennis

Misplaced compassion?

Wow.

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person is always wrong.

End of

But how is that "science" as you stated was your reason for opposing choice at the very beginning of your post?

brickmauser

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL

I literally could not find one ounce of science in your post

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is a person.
If you deny that basic fact you are denying science the only basis on which we should make our decisions.

If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

So you contend that a human is merely DNA, that no brain, circulatory or nervous system is required to be viewed as a human being/person?

brickmauser

VinLieger wrote: »

But how is that "science" as you stated was your reason for opposing choice at the very beginning of your post?

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

fits

brickmauser wrote: »

When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murde
If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

Someone out there needs your kidney. If you don't donate it, you are guilty of murder. If it endangers your life, well that's too bad.

elefant

brickmauser wrote: »

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

This has to be a joke.

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

Except medical science says conception only occurs when the the fertilised egg attaches to the uterine wall

Im almost certain im beating my head against an ignorant brick wall here, but hey god loves a trier, or so im told :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

brickmauser

Delirium wrote: »

So you contend that a human is merely DNA, that no brain, circulatory or nervous system is required to be viewed as a human being/person?

A fertilised egg is a human being.
It is an undeniable scientific fact.

ancapailldorcha

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

You keep using the word "Scientific". It doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

wakka12

If a woman is dying because of the baby she doesn't want, and we don't allow her to abort then I don't see how this isn't considered murder when aborting an uborn child is

Professey Chin

brickmauser wrote: »

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

Yep. The process for what eventually can become a human is started by that event. Doesn't mean it is a human being right from the off. The end result isn't the same as the start of a process

brickmauser

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You keep using the word "Scientific". It doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

Prove that a human egg is not a human being

elefant

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove that a human egg is not a human being

Is a hen's egg a chicken?

brickmauser

Professey Chin wrote: »

Yep. The process for what eventually can become a human is started by that event. Doesn't mean it is a human being right from the off. The end result isn't the same as the start of a process

When does it become an individual organism? Conception.

brickmauser

elefant wrote: »

Is a hen's egg a chicken?

When it is fertilized.

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

A fertilised egg is a human being.
It is an undeniable scientific fact.

so are monozygotic twins half-people? :rolleyes:

cnocbui

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

No.

blueb

This kind of absolute nonsense is one of the many reasons why im pro choice for women and marched with my female friends in dublin.

All your doing here mate is hurting your own cause !!

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.


If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If the mother dies sorry thats just the way it is... if the mother and the child die.... too bad.... we could save her with "Science" but its not the right type of science??? wtf mate, this is absolutely laughable ya twit

brickmauser

wakka12 wrote: »

If a woman is dying because of the baby she doesn't want, and we don't allow her to abort then I don't see how this isn't considered murder when aborting an uborn child is

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

VinLieger

brickmauser wrote: »

When does it become an individual organism? Conception.

Definition of individual: "An individual is a person or a specific object. Individuality (or selfhood) is the state or quality of being an individual; particularly of being a person separate from other persons and possessing his or her own needs or goals."

Professey Chin

brickmauser wrote: »

When does it become an individual organism? Conception.

Look at it this way. To take a sh1t you eat food. Going by that logic the second it enters your mouth it's the end result. Does that mean you eat sh1t or is there much much more that has to happen along the way?

If abortion is murder, I assume you that you believe a miscarriage is manslaughter? Should we start putting woman on trial for that?

Don't Chute!

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

He/she does not have to prove it. They read it and found no science in it. Because there is none in it. Thats it.

ancapailldorcha

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove that a human egg is not a human being

It only has half the requisite number of chromosomes and can't function by itself.

Pro Hoc Vice

brickmauser wrote: »

Prove it.

From the moment of conception a human being is created.

That is a person and has human rights.

If you deny that truth you are not being scientific.

The only person not being scientific is you, but you are fully aware of that.

Speedwell

It doesn't matter if the fetus is a fully-fledged miniature adult with full consciousness when conception occurs. Nothing about it erases the fact that it's inside a human's body. But of course pregnant people are just sinful, worldly beings not fit to be spoken of in the same breath as the innocent half-gestated angel of purity that you infant fetishists imagine.

ancapailldorcha

Galicia_ wrote: »

I disagree with the OP but they are entitled to their own view of morals.

I've not stated otherwise.

VinLieger

Galicia_ wrote: »

I disagree with the OP but they are entitled to their own view of morals.

Morals and beliefs do not equal science as the OP is trying to claim

brickmauser

Professey Chin wrote: »

Look at it this way. To take a sh1t you eat food. Going by that logic the second it enters your mouth it's the end result. Does that mean you eat sh1t or is there much much more that has to happen along the way?

When the egg is fertilized and cells begin to multiply life begins. That's the starting point. To intervene and kill it after that point is killing a human being and committing murder.

jimmy blevins

Would killing a baby Hitler be considered morally wrong OP? Scientifically of course.

Pro Hoc Vice

brickmauser wrote: »

A human being is created by the fertilisation of an egg by a sperm.

Are you going to deny that basic biological fact?

Yes you claim it now prove it.

eviltwin

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

So what should be done with the thousands of murderers walking our streets then?

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

No it's not. Murder is specific legal conviction, a person can also be charged with manslaughter.

If a woman takes the abortion pill here in Ireland, he won't be charged with murder she will be charged with having an illegal termination (not sure of the exact term).

elefant

jimmy blevins wrote: »

Would killing a baby Hitler be considered morally wrong?

Yes.

Not seeing the relevance though...

brickmauser

VinLieger wrote: »

Morals and beliefs do not equal science as the OP is trying to claim

This is not about belief this is about fact.
The fact is a fertilized egg is human and that fact is that killing it is murder.
Killing the unborn human at any point between fertilization of the egg and birth is therefore murder.
That is a fact that is not open to any dispute whatsoever.
The facts are undeniable.

brickmauser

eviltwin wrote: »

So what should be done with the thousands of murderers walking our streets then?

They should be imprisoned for murder

ancapailldorcha

brickmauser wrote: »

This is not about belief this is about fact.
The fact is a fertilized egg is human and that fact is that killing it is murder.
Killing the unborn human at any point between fertilization of the egg and birth is therefore murder.
That is a fact that is not open to any dispute whatsoever.
The facts are undeniable.

Killing them after birth is fine? Why set and end limit?

brickmauser

Delirium wrote: »

No it's not. Murder is specific legal conviction, a person can also be charged with manslaughter.

If a woman takes the abortion pill here in Ireland, he won't be charged with murder she will be charged with having an illegal termination (not sure of the exact term).

It's murder.
An innocent human being is killed intentionally.
Murder.
You can't argue with fact.

The Specialist

I've read some misinformed overwrought bull**** on this site over the years but this might just top them all.

wakka12

brickmauser wrote: »

Killing an innocent person no matter the intention is murder.
End of.

And now I think you're just on a wind up

Riesen_Meal

I'm pro choice and I find this post to be dreadfully offensive having it put up on a public forum that I frequent, it's borderline harassment...

There's my sensible AH response...

Oh and no one turned up at the march :

brickmauser

jimmy blevins wrote: »

Would killing a baby Hitler be considered morally wrong OP? Scientifically of course.

Killing anyone who is innocent is murder. When Hitler was a child he was innocent.

lawred2

brickmauser wrote: »

Science.

A human being is created at conception by a sperm and egg.
It's human and alive and therefore it is a person.
If you deny that basic fact you are denying science the only basis on which we should make our decisions.

If you kill it you are killing a human being and committing murder.
If at any point from conception to birth you kill the zygote, embryo or fetus you are killing a human being.
There are often failed abortions where the fetus has lived and is now a grown adult often with disabilities as a direct result of the attempt to murder it.
So I do not agree with the right to choose.
When a woman is pregnant she is carrying a human being in her womb.
Whether she wants to or not she must carry the baby until full term.

If she is in danger of death I'm sorry but that is too bad. Killing the child is murder.

If a woman or girl conceives through rape or incest it is morally indefensible to kill her baby.

No ifs buts or maybes.

No amount of misplaced compassion justifies abortion. Abortion is barbaric evil and unjustifiable in all cases.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

This will go down well.

The fact that society does not step up and care for unwanted babies does not justify killing them

This line is moral bankruptcy in a nutshell

Zaph

brickmauser wrote: »

They should be imprisoned for murder

Well at least the prison building programme will keep the construction industry busy for a few years, which has to be good for the economy.

The fact is that the OP has stated a position, one that they're not prepared to debate or defend with anything other than "it's science therefore I'm right", so I'm not really sure why anybody would waste their time trying to engage them.

Delirium

brickmauser wrote: »

They should be imprisoned for murder

So you would imprison women who had a legal abortion in another country? Not matter the reason for the abortion?

brickmauser wrote: »

It's murder.
An innocent human being is killed intentionally.
Murder.
You can't argue with fact.

Actually it seems you can :P