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Is Shakespeare...

  • 27-09-2016 11:48AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭


    really all that good?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Nowhere near as good as his sister.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    He is no Albert Einstein :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    I think he is pretty crap to be honest, They are on RTE radio now discussing him and i just don't think he was all that good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Letree wrote: »
    really all that good?

    That is the question...


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Shake your spear at Shakespeare

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    nullzero wrote: »
    That is the question...

    to answer or not to answer


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Good at what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,110 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    He was good for his time. The stories are good but they get lost in a semi dead language.

    Expecting children to read it is ridiculous. The story goes t need to get told in a language laden down with references that children will never understand without a translation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    He is placed on a pedestal even if someone uncovered some drunk ramblings by him people would be interpreting it as amazing writing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    One thing is for sure , he was one dirty boy, sneaking all sorts of sordidness in to his works.

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/54442/10-shakespeares-best-dirty-jokes


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Hotei


    mzungu wrote: »
    Nowhere near as good as his sister.

    Comparisons are odorous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Winterlong wrote: »
    One thing is for sure , he was one dirty boy, sneaking all sorts of sordidness in to his works.

    True that. He was also a keen political agenda man - very supportive of the incumbent royalty in London and though his plays had historical settings, the 'message' always related to what was going on in his day.

    I think his works are unrivalled. But there is no measuring tape for such things. Think what you will yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    that country album lost him a lot of fans


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    'Hamlet' is good. But it's not in the league of say 'Raiders of the lost Arc'
    or 'Terminator'
    But we can all only do our best.
    At least he was expressing himself. That's the main thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,367 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    good enough that he didnt need click-bait titles.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    I love shakespeare, read all his plays although I think another one was recently ascribed as his.
    I don't know what it was but in school I was captivated and I was a middling student. I guess the moral questions asked in his dramas were strong, like in Lear how could a daughter forgive her father for expelling her just because she spoke truthfully. It really is life and death stuff.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 861 ✭✭✭MeatTwoVeg


    Early stuff good. Went downhill after Macbeth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,455 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Can we ban these clickbait threads? They are invading like Japanese knotweed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,060 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    He's no Jinx Lennon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Can we ban these clickbait threads? They are invading like Japanese knotweed.

    Find more than....






























    3 of them on AH recently


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    Yeah, he was good. So were many other writers for the stage who lived at the same time. Christopher Marlowe was arguably better at tragedies. Shakespeare's particular appeal probably derived from the fact that he knew how to entertain a wider audience than many of his contemporaries who chose to pitch to the wealthy and educated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,455 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Letree wrote: »
    Find more than....






























    3 of them on AH recently

    You won't believe what I think of Shakespeare!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    His fishing rods aren't bad.. the reels are ok too.


  • Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Letree wrote: »
    really all that good?

    I never thought so in school. But then again I did not think much literature in school was that good. Looking back I realise this was equal parts both my failing - and the failing of a really poor and passionless English Teacher.

    Recently I watched this. And I came out of it A) wanting to read more Shakespeare and B) really really wishing John Green had been my English Teacher in school. C) entirely unsure how I missed all the homo-eroticism in his works.

    But yea I learned more about Shakespeare in that 12 minute video than I did in 6 years of secondary school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Lord of the Rings is his best work and I can't see him topping it now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    I like the way he wrote one of the most famous anti-racism speeches ever and then got pretty much every other character in the book and presumably the audience of the day to go "lol fuk u."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Shakespeare's appearance was a bit like the Beatles; arriving at a time when a number of different factors aligned, combined with a tremendous talent, all converged to create a legendary artist.

    Had he been born 100 years prior or after, he would be largely just another footnote, an artist with a few notable poems in a couple of books. But he happened to be the right guy in the right place at the right time.

    Reading the stuff as a teenager, teachers would often point out alternative ways of reading the text - hidden meanings and so forth. I'd often think, "You're reading way too much into this, it's coincidence".
    But if you go back and look at it, everything he wrote is meticulously put together, nothing is just filler material.

    On the inaccessibility of the texts, that's not solely down to the language itself, but as much down to the fact that it is also written lyrically rather than as prose. Plays were written in such a way that they could be spoken or sung, but either way had a rhythm to them.

    The plays themselves are as much like the spoken language of the day as a modern musical or song is like spoken language today.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Dave0301 wrote: »
    He is no Albert Einstein :pac:

    Shakespeare was a Literary, while Einstein was a Scientist, so there's no real comparison between the two. Would be like comparing Jimi Hendrix to Stephen Hawking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,367 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    L.Jenkins wrote: »
    Shakespeare was a Literary, while Einstein was a Scientist, so there's no real comparison between the two. Would be like comparing Jimi Hendrix to Stephen Hawking.


    exactly, Hendrix is much better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    He was too ghetto for my liking


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