Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Oldtree · 23-09-2016 05:07PM

imo the hill when full of dubs gives an advantage. I was sitting in 203/202 during the donegal/dublin match and the noise from a hill full of dubs was hugely tangible, leading to me being unable to think. This advantage can be used against opposing free takers or opposing goalies, and is!

Was glad to see so many Mayoees in the hill the last day, and hope to see the same again.

308 this time, lucky again

naughto · 23-09-2016 05:11PM

Menoetius wrote: »

God you really hate them don't you?

It's just a game at the end of the day, yes it's important, but anything that makes you so angry isn't good for you.

I don't to be honest what I do like is to get this thread going. I think I did that faily well it's good to see that some dubs aren't afraid to post in here

The Talking Bread · 23-09-2016 05:13PM

naughto wrote: »

I don't to be honest what I do like is to get this thread going. I think I did that faily well it's good to see that some dubs aren't afraid to post in here

most of the people who replied to you weren't from Dublin, including me.

Menoetius · 23-09-2016 06:33PM

naughto wrote: »

I don't to be honest what I do like is to get this thread going.

I guess your kind of "get going" and mine are totally different :rolleyes:

naughto · 23-09-2016 07:42PM

Menoetius wrote: »

I guess your kind of "get going" and mine are totally different :rolleyes:

No one asked you to post in here if u don't like it there's an unfollow button and bring your rooleyes with ya

Biloxi Blues · 23-09-2016 07:57PM

Oldtree wrote: »

imo the hill when full of dubs gives an advantage. I was sitting in 203/202 during the donegal/dublin match and the noise from a hill full of dubs was hugely tangible, leading to me being unable to think. This advantage can be used against opposing free takers or opposing goalies, and is!

Was glad to see so many Mayoees in the hill the last day, and hope to see the same again.

308 this time, lucky again

The "Hill 16 is Dublin only"attitude ,tolerated by the GAA , has paid statistical dividends (see below) for Dublin. It is long past time that this crowd intimidation is ended. It is more at home in the culture of 1980's English soccer than GAA - and Croke Park despite being handed to Dublin by the GAA as their de facto 'home ground' is not their home ground. It is a national stadium - all parts of it.

https://www.livegaelic.com/features/hill-16-dublin-quantifying-unfair-advantage/

The Talking Bread · 23-09-2016 07:58PM

get a grip!!!

km79 · 23-09-2016 08:33PM

Sooooooooooo any auld discussion about MAYO GAA here ?

This night week I'll be nervous as hell

seligehgit · 23-09-2016 08:47PM

km79 wrote: »

Sooooooooooo any auld discussion about MAYO GAA here ?

This night week I'll be nervous as hell

OK point well made.Anyone envisage any changes for the next day?I think Stephen Rochford will go with an unchanged team.If there were any real options I'd have thought Seamie O Shea might be under a little bit of pressure.I am only hoping Diarmuid can get over whatever injury picked up against Kildare.. Dead leg i believe... He was imperious last year and in the under 21 championship this year. He's been a pale shadow of himself post injury.

Heard Eugene McGee mention on the Last Word that the forecast for next Saturday is for a dry day.He reckoned we should all head up to Knock for a novena.It was only a tad tongue in cheek but there is a hint of truth in the assertion that more inclement conditions will be advantageous to our cause.He all but implied it was our only hope,tad OTT.

Both the O Shea's need to have the game of their lives for us to win next Saturday.

Biloxi Blues · 23-09-2016 08:55PM

seligehgit wrote: »

OK point well made.Anyone envisage any changes for the next day?I think Stephen Rochford will go with an unchanged team.If there were any real options I'd have thought Seamie O Shea might be under a little bit of pressure.I am only hoping Diarmuid can get over whatever injury picked up against Kildare.. Dead leg i believe... He was imperious last year and in the under 21 championship this year. He's been a pale shadow of himself post injury.

Heard Eugene McGee mention on the Last Word that the forecast for next Saturday is for a dry day.He reckoned we should all head up to Knock for a novena.It was only a tad tongue in cheek but there is a hint of truth in the assertion that more inclement conditions will be advantageous to our cause.He all but implied it was our only hope,tad OTT.

Both the O Shea's need to have the game of their lives for us to win next Saturday.

Don't mind Eugene McGee, he's been dining out for 35 years on one game he was only in the dugout for. Talks out of the side his mouth, knows everything. This is the fella the GAA gave the rulebook to play with to bring in the black card.

PARlance · 23-09-2016 09:12PM

seligehgit wrote: »

OK point well made.Anyone envisage any changes for the next day?I think Stephen Rochford will go with an unchanged team.If there were any real options I'd have thought Seamie O Shea might be under a little bit of pressure.I am only hoping Diarmuid can get over whatever injury picked up against Kildare.. Dead leg i believe... He was imperious last year and in the under 21 championship this year. He's been a pale shadow of himself post injury.

Heard Eugene McGee mention on the Last Word that the forecast for next Saturday is for a dry day.He reckoned we should all head up to Knock for a novena.It was only a tad tongue in cheek but there is a hint of truth in the assertion that more inclement conditions will be advantageous to our cause.He all but implied it was our only hope,tad OTT.

Both the O Shea's need to have the game of their lives for us to win next Saturday.

Probably not as confident as the last day but I still think we'll do it. The ease at which Dublin got goal chances has me more worried than before last Sunday. Coupled with our lack of goal chances. I wouldn't count Durcans as a goal chance despite him seemingly going for one and Andy's was a half chance.

I'm not to bothered by the forecast, I've watched the game back a few times now and a dry day will suit Andy and Aidan a lot more. If we can get the same ball into them as the last day and it sticks, then we should get more goal chances. We need one if not two goals the next day if dry... 18 to 20 points will probably needed to win it and 2 goals gets you a long way there.

Can't see there being any changes myself.

Oldtree · 23-09-2016 09:13PM

km79 wrote: »

Sooooooooooo any auld discussion about MAYO GAA here ?

This night week I'll be nervous as hell

Good night here for training

km79 · 23-09-2016 09:15PM

PARlance wrote: »

Probably not as confident as the last day but I still think we'll do it. The ease at which Dublin got goal chances has me more worried than before last Sunday. Coupled with our lack of goal chances. I wouldn't count Durcans as a goal chance despite him seemingly going for one and Andy's was a half chance.

I'm not to bothered by the forecast, I've watched the game back a few times now and a dry day will suit Andy and Aidan a lot more. If we can get the same ball into them as the last day and it sticks, then we should get more goal chances. We need one if not two goals the next day if dry... 18 to 20 points will probably needed to win it and 2 goals gets you a long way there.

Can't see there being any changes myself.

Agree 100% about the dry day and Andy/Aidan
The ball in first half was actually a lot better than in most games and they had it in hand one on one before it slipped out
I can see us going for similar the next day cos we WILL need goals
No doubt about that
Even one the last day would have won it ......I think we will need 2

km79 · 23-09-2016 09:47PM

More tickets for clubs next week
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28615-clubs-set-to-receive-increased-allocation

The Talking Bread · 23-09-2016 09:51PM

km79 wrote: »

More tickets for clubs next week
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28615-clubs-set-to-receive-increased-allocation

Biloxi Blues wrote: »

The "Hill 16 is Dublin only"attitude ,tolerated by the GAA , has paid statistical dividends (see below) for Dublin. It is long past time that this crowd intimidation is ended. It is more at home in the culture of 1980's English soccer than GAA - and Croke Park despite being handed to Dublin by the GAA as their de facto 'home ground' is not their home ground. It is a national stadium - all parts of it.

https://www.livegaelic.com/features/hill-16-dublin-quantifying-unfair-advantage/

there you go buddy. Noone is stopping you heading to The Hill now!

Thats meant for Biloxi by the way!

PARlance · 23-09-2016 10:08PM

km79 wrote: »

More tickets for clubs next week
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28615-clubs-set-to-receive-increased-allocation

That's what I thought earlier today, an average of 20 additional tickets per ~50 clubs. At 1,000 it's still a fair bit short of the 4,000(?) surplus from each minor county. Hopefully there's more to follow.

The brother has kindly given up his senior player terrace ticket. Hill, here I come.

Biloxi Blues · 23-09-2016 10:14PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

there you go buddy. Noone is stopping you heading to The Hill now!

Thats meant for Biloxi by the way!

I'm trying to make it out -an extra 40 or 50 tickets for the Hill? To stand next to the stewards section so the gougers can't get at you? Even if it's only verbal aggression, I prefer to have the security for myself and family. No thanks.

tacofries · 23-09-2016 10:55PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Both the O Shea's need to have the game of their lives for us to win next Saturday.

This could be utterly stupid but I think it would be better keeping Aidan off till the second half. He hasn't hit full form all season but by being on the sideline for 35 minutes he will be able to see better how the game is going and make a plan of he can be of more of an influence. Not too mention he should be that bit more hungry as well.

Realistically no matter what the scoreline is, the first half is irrelevant for Dublin. It is the last 35 mins that we need to excel. Really think that Aidan would do wonders if he came on then. It would just drive us home until the ref blows the final whistle.

mickmackey1 · 23-09-2016 11:07PM

tacofries wrote: »

it would be better keeping Aidan off till the second half

That you Jim Gavin? :pac:

tacofries · 23-09-2016 11:09PM

mickmackey1 wrote: »

That you Jim Gavin? :pac:

haha fair enough. I did say it could be mad but just think his not hitting the heights that he could be. Once we don't let Dublin get too far ahead the first half is basically pointless. All it does is run down the energy of our best players!

martyos121 · 23-09-2016 11:16PM

tacofries wrote: »

haha fair enough. I did say it could be mad but just think his not hitting the heights that he could be. Once we don't let Dublin get too far ahead the first half is basically pointless. All it does is run down the energy of our best players!

Well we expended a huge amount of energy in the first half the last day and it didn't seem to slow us down in the second at all. I see what you mean about bringing AOS on in the second half but you just need him out there from the start tbh. When he's on form he galvanises the whole team, Mayo usually play brilliantly whenever Aidan plays well, I know his record in the big games is dodgy but dropping him is a risk you can't take. I mean who even comes in for him if you drop him? You'd have to change the whole forward system unless you put Barry Moran in there and he doesn't have the mobility to be a goal threat like Aidan.

The Talking Bread · 23-09-2016 11:22PM

tacofries wrote: »

This could be utterly stupid but I think it would be better keeping Aidan off till the second half. He hasn't hit full form all season but by being on the sideline for 35 minutes he will be able to see better how the game is going and make a plan of he can be of more of an influence. Not too mention he should be that bit more hungry as well.

Realistically no matter what the scoreline is, the first half is irrelevant for Dublin. It is the last 35 mins that we need to excel. Really think that Aidan would do wonders if he came on then. It would just drive us home until the ref blows the final whistle.

AOS has been one of Mayo's best players this season? When push came to shove against Tyrone and Tipp, he stood up.
Against Kildare, he done all the dirty work, unselfishly in the middle of the field and even around the half back line. (lets not mention the dive the previous week!) and against Westmeath he endured foul after foul yet ket his cool.
He is a better player than what he has shown this season, everyone knows that but he certainly isnt having a bad season.

What would be the point leaving him on the bench? He is one of the fittest players around and as strong as an ox, its not as if he is going to tire in the last ten minutes.

Sorry, but he is undroppable for Mayo, especially in an All Ireland Final!!.

tacofries · 23-09-2016 11:23PM

martyos121 wrote: »

You'd have to change the whole forward system unless you put Barry Moran in there and he doesn't have the mobility to be a goal threat like Aidan.

Definitely agree on the motivation side of things. Energy wise they did perform fully to near the end of the match but would he just have that bit more in the tank to give if left of? Surely he would...

Barry Moran was the man I was thinking. True he is not as mobile but Moran is just as good, if not better, in the air than O'Shea as shown in the Fermanagh match. With that in mind he could be that bit better f laying the ball of to Andy or O'Connor.

I could be a bit daft though tbh!

tacofries · 23-09-2016 11:27PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

AOS has been one of Mayo's best players this season?

Been one of 'Mayo's best players' and 'not hitting full form' are totally unrelated! If he has more to give, then he has more to give regardless of how he compares to other players. Really just think that once the scoreline is near level, the game is solely won in the last 35 minutes.

km79 · 23-09-2016 11:28PM

tacofries wrote: »

Been one of 'Mayo's best players' and 'not hitting full form' are totally unrelated! If he has more to give, then he has more to give regardless of how he compares to other players. Really just think that once the scoreline is near level, the game is solely won in the last 35 minutes.

The game could be over at half time if you rest your best players in anticipation of keeping them fresh to win it in the second half

The Talking Bread · 23-09-2016 11:35PM

tacofries wrote: »

Been one of 'Mayo's best players' and 'not hitting full form' are totally unrelated! If he has more to give, then he has more to give regardless of how he compares to other players. Really just think that once the scoreline is near level, the game is solely won in the last 35 minutes.

I honestly don't get your logic.................. why would he suddenly improve more by sitting on the bench for the first half??

AOS is not an impact bring on late kind of player! He is a man you want on the pitch all game.

The game is level at throw in. Thats when you need him. That lad could last 140 minutes on a pitch before any energy sapping.

The game is not won over the last 35 minutes. Thats a bad attempt at a cliche statement!

Oldtree · 23-09-2016 11:39PM

km79 wrote: »

More tickets for clubs next week
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/28615-clubs-set-to-receive-increased-allocation

Over half the tickets the clubs are due to receive are terrace tickets, for either Hill 16 or the adjacent Nally Terrace.

Going by http://mayogaa.com/ Mayo has 51 clubs
and by http://www.dublingaa.ie/clubs Dublin has 91,
outnumbered there we are.

tacofries · 23-09-2016 11:41PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The game is not won over the last 35 minutes. Thats a bad attempt at a cliche statement!

Not a cliche at all, plenty of matches that show it. Kerry being 5 points ahead at half time against the dubs is just the latest example of that.

The Talking Bread · 23-09-2016 11:57PM

tacofries wrote: »

Not a cliche at all, plenty of matches that show it. Kerry being 5 points ahead at half time against the dubs is just the latest example of that.

It is a complete cliche! Just because the odd team manages to stage a comeback in a second half doesn't negate the events of the first half? Majority of GAA matches, the team leading at HT, goes on to win as they can control the game better. Obviously there are occasions when a team is overhauled with a comeback

The game finishes at the end of the second half, and obviously the game intensifies as the minutes pass by but if a team had the attitude that they can wait until the second half and then go out and win it, they would be hammered.

If only for those two goals in the first half, Mayo would probably have won Sunday.

Fr Tod Umptious · 24-09-2016 12:11AM

seligehgit wrote: »

OK point well made.Anyone envisage any changes for the next day?I think Stephen Rochford will go with an unchanged team.If there were any real options I'd have thought Seamie O Shea might be under a little bit of pressure.I am only hoping Diarmuid can get over whatever injury picked up against Kildare.. Dead leg i believe... He was imperious last year and in the under 21 championship this year. He's been a pale shadow of himself post injury.

Heard Eugene McGee mention on the Last Word that the forecast for next Saturday is for a dry day.He reckoned we should all head up to Knock for a novena.It was only a tad tongue in cheek but there is a hint of truth in the assertion that more inclement conditions will be advantageous to our cause.He all but implied it was our only hope,tad OTT.

Both the O Shea's need to have the game of their lives for us to win next Saturday.

If McGee is talking about trips to Knock then the national media narrative has not changed in the last week.

Barry Cahill, I think that's who it was, was on Today FM the day of the match saying that he could not see anything other than a comfortable Dublin win.
Jackie Hurley on RTE the day before said that every Dublin person she meet was confident of an easy victory.
Now that's all fine but there has been a suggestion that the Dublin players may have been listening to too much of this type of talk.

Now this week the narrative is that they will never play as poorly again, if they listen to too much of that talk then its certainty to be Mayo's day.

But I think Dublin playing bad was not just as simple as them having a off day, Mayo's performance as a lot to do with it and as I have said here before, deep down this team do not seem to have the bite that everyone said they had.
This is three games on the trot now were they wete supposed to win easy but have been a bit off colour.
Hopefully it continues.

Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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