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tanko · 06-09-2016 10:56PM

Farrell wrote: »

Sold a VIO bull last October, 330kg @ €890.
He was off a white CH cow & looked like a CH off a SI dam

Would it be worth feeding over the winter & killing in June? If not getting enough

He must have been a good one. I'd say I'll be selling them as 16/17 month old stores.

Cavanjack · 21-09-2016 08:32PM

Just thinking about sorting cattle for the winter. I've good Spring 15 born continental bullocks probably averaging 550kg and depending on weather will probably be housing them in a month. I'd usually just store them and put back to grass to kill next summer. Was going to chance finishing some of the heavier ones out of the shed this winter.
I'll weigh them at housing but at what weight should I say they are better off just being stored?

Muckit · 21-09-2016 08:43PM

Stick with your first plan. Get them out as early as your ground will allow in the spring when the power is in the grass. Move to fresh grass every 2-3 days and feed 3-4kgs barley for 6 weeks.

Trying to fatten in the shed will rob you. Beef price is on the floor

Cavanjack · 21-09-2016 09:02PM

Muckit wrote: »

Stick with your first plan. Get them out as early as your ground will allow in the spring when the power is in the grass. Move to fresh grass every 2-3 days and feed 3-4kgs barley for 6 weeks.

Trying to fatten in the shed will rob you. Beef price is on the floor

I know where your coming from ok. Problem round here is that ground doesn't usually dry up good enough to carry these heavy lads till mid April and it's a long time in the shed from November till then without putting on much weight. We'd probably carry 3 yearlings for every 2 two year olds on the same land without any hassle so was trying to move the heavier stock on quicker.

bogman_bass · 23-09-2016 02:28PM

What are lads feeding heavy cattle at grass at the moment. Feeding 2kg of barley and thinking of increasing to 4kg

restive · 23-09-2016 02:35PM

bogman_bass wrote:

What are lads feeding heavy cattle at grass at the moment. Feeding 2kg of barley and thinking of increasing to 4kg

3 kg hi maize crunch. â‚¬230 a ton.

Reggie. · 23-09-2016 02:42PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

What are lads feeding heavy cattle at grass at the moment. Feeding 2kg of barley and thinking of increasing to 4kg

1.5 kg a head of 15% protein beef finisher ration

eoinmk2 · 23-09-2016 03:11PM

is the 15% needed? i thought protein didnt need to be that high to finish.

Bass Reeves · 23-09-2016 03:13PM

3kgs of barley and soya hulls 70/30 costing 190/ton. Quality of barley poor at present compared to previous years.

Reggie. · 23-09-2016 03:15PM

eoinmk2 wrote: »

is the 15% needed? i thought protein didnt need to be that high to finish.

No idea but it's in it

Bass Reeves · 23-09-2016 03:19PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

3kgs of barley and soya hulls 70/30 costing 190/ton. Quality of barley poor at present compared to previous years.

No need to feed protein with grass 10-11%P adequate which is straight barley/maize. Soya hull important at present as grass is quite low DM. Would even consider feeding straight soya hulls if price was 160 or lower.

eoinmk2 · 23-09-2016 03:37PM

we have been feeding straight barley with a small amount of citrus pulp(to help get them to eat it) to a few for finishing for the past 3 months. they are ready to go not soon due to age, but found the quality of the barley very poor too, especially the last month. moving to a new supplier for the winter feed.

have many people priced meal for the coming winter?
our local glanbia are 260/t for the beef nuts 15%, 265/t for the fast finisher 13%, 300/t for the weaning crunch 16%
priced quinns at the ploughing, 235/t for their maize beef ration 12%, 240/t for their weanling ration 16%
all collected

winter feeding is probably going to be a waste of time, but going to feed one pen. most going to grass next year

Reggie. · 23-09-2016 03:44PM

eoinmk2 wrote: »

we have been feeding straight barley with a small amount of citrus pulp(to help get them to eat it) to a few for finishing for the past 3 months. they are ready to go not soon due to age, but found the quality of the barley very poor too, especially the last month. moving to a new supplier for the winter feed.

have many people priced meal for the coming winter?
our local glanbia are 260/t for the beef nuts 15%, 265/t for the fast finisher 13%, 300/t for the weaning crunch 16%
priced quinns at the ploughing, 235/t for their maize beef ration 12%, 240/t for their weanling ration 16%
all collected

winter feeding is probably going to be a waste of time, but going to feed one pen. most going to grass next year

That ration I showed you is roughly €170 for 700kg collected. So roughly €240 a ton

eoinmk2 · 23-09-2016 03:52PM

i think because of the bad grain price the "better quality" rations might be good value this year. we usually did something similar to you raggie with mixing our own as it was cheaper, but might go for a ration this year.

Muckit · 23-09-2016 06:44PM

Rolled barley (bags) @€;230/tonne. Easy throw on the shoulder.

blue5000 · 23-09-2016 06:48PM

Muckit wrote: »

Rolled barley (bags) @€;230/tonne. Easy throw on the shoulder.

That's expensive, I felt bad paying 200 for RB in bags.

Bass Reeves · 23-09-2016 06:48PM

eoinmk2 wrote: »

we have been feeding straight barley with a small amount of citrus pulp(to help get them to eat it) to a few for finishing for the past 3 months. they are ready to go not soon due to age, but found the quality of the barley very poor too, especially the last month. moving to a new supplier for the winter feed.

have many people priced meal for the coming winter?
our local glanbia are 260/t for the beef nuts 15%, 265/t for the fast finisher 13%, 300/t for the weaning crunch 16%
priced quinns at the ploughing, 235/t for their maize beef ration 12%, 240/t for their weanling ration 16%
all collected

winter feeding is probably going to be a waste of time, but going to feed one pen. most going to grass next year

It makes no difference in barley switched suppliers two weeks ago same mix barley pure sh!te. Think they are offloading some of the imported muck. Very dry no flour in it and a lot of screedings.

On winter feed was talking to a miller agent early in the week. Very few are going feeding this year. No enquiries and lads that did it that he was talking to are not planning on either buying or finishing ones they have over the winter. He was saying that a procurement agent told him somebody always finishes them but he is addament the amount giving it up are serious.

Waffletraktor · 23-09-2016 07:49PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Think they are offloading some of the imported muck. Very dry no flour in it and a lot of screedings.

That will be this years winter barley, all chaff no starch and huge penalties. Protein content should be up but bushel weight should be on you docket, really should look into it as energy content feed value perton will be WAY down over "normal" quality full price

Muckit · 23-09-2016 07:51PM

blue5000 wrote: »

That's expensive, I felt bad paying 200 for RB in bags.

You pay for convenience l suppose! This is the treated stuff now.

blue5000 · 23-09-2016 08:10PM

Muckit wrote: »

You pay for convenience l suppose! This is the treated stuff now.

Treated with what, propcorn?

Muckit · 23-09-2016 08:15PM

Yeah, probably. Wouldnt b up on all that. Whatever they put through it to stop it going off. Sure l hardly know what l combine looks like. Your tillage country anyways. €30/tonne extra to haul to this neck of the woods

orm0nd · 23-09-2016 08:22PM

Muckit wrote:

Yeah, probably. Wouldnt b up on all that. Whatever they put through it to stop it going off. Sure l hardly know what l combine looks like. Your tillage country anyways. â‚¬30/tonne extra to haul to this neck of the woods

Acid treated could be high moisture content. You could be paying for water.

Bullocks · 23-09-2016 11:04PM

Muckit wrote: »

Yeah, probably. Wouldnt b up on all that. Whatever they put through it to stop it going off. Sure l hardly know what l combine looks like. Your tillage country anyways. €30/tonne extra to haul to this neck of the woods

If you could collect , there is a lad down your neck of the woods (roughly ) selling barley out of the shed in tonne bags . I dont know the price this year yet but I bought off him the last two years and it was lovely stuff .
I thought there would be plenty of combines around your side of the world

jimmy G M · 23-09-2016 11:35PM

Bullocks wrote: »

If you could collect , there is a lad down your neck of the woods (roughly ) selling barley out of the shed in tonne bags . I dont know the price this year yet but I bought off him the last two years and it was lovely stuff .
I thought there would be plenty of combines around your side of the world

Is that Daly?

Bullocks · 24-09-2016 06:28AM

jimmy G M wrote: »

Is that Daly?

No , this lad only started selling in the last couple of years . Ill PM you his name

Muckit · 24-09-2016 08:35AM

Bullocks wrote: »

No , this lad only started selling in the last couple of years . Ill PM you his name

I thought you were talking about him too. If its more over loughrea side too far for me.

bogman_bass · 24-09-2016 11:41AM

I wonder if I should add some beet pulp to stop grass running through them

Bass Reeves · 24-09-2016 01:59PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

I wonder if I should add some beet pulp to stop grass running through them

Soya hulls are the only real good fibre source this timr of year. I consider feeding it straight.

Bullocks · 24-09-2016 06:58PM

Muckit wrote: »

I thought you were talking about him too. If its more over loughrea side too far for me.

Clonberne

tanko · 25-10-2016 12:36PM

What would you expect to pay a man (not a vet) to squeeze 10 weanling Bulls 6-7 months old?

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