It's not a pyramid scheme...

OU812 · 21-09-2016 09:38AM #1

..,It's an inverted sales funnel

Actual phrase used by someone to try to recruit me into "the forever lifestyle".

Now admittedly, it seems to work quite well for him, he regularly travels internationally to their events and solely funds the family lifestyle through it & *seems* to be doing quite well but he got into it pretty early.

But it's still a pyramid scheme.

Your experiences with them?

The Backwards Man · 21-09-2016 09:40AM

The Ancient Egyptians are all dead.

That tells you all you need to know about pyramids.

GLaDOS · 21-09-2016 09:40AM

Wtf is "the forever lifestyle"?

21-09-2016 09:42AM

I know a lad who is into this shíte, he's a Dublin Bus driver, he must be hard up these days with all the strikes and pyramid schemes on the go...

flazio · 21-09-2016 09:44AM

Must be a trapezoid scheme so.

whiskeyman · 21-09-2016 09:45AM

OU812 wrote: »

But it's still a pyramid scheme.

Your experiences with them?

Dodgy Gizas

The_Valeyard · 21-09-2016 09:47AM

OU812 wrote: »

..,It's an inverted sales funnel

Actual phrase used by someone to try to recruit me into "the forever lifestyle".

Now admittedly, it seems to work quite well for him, he regularly travels internationally to their events and solely funds the family lifestyle through it & *seems* to be doing quite well but he got into it pretty early.

But it's still a pyramid scheme.

Your experiences with them?

Did I not read this on Reddit yesterday??

blinding · 21-09-2016 09:47AM

Send me money

........its always worth a try

Your Face · 21-09-2016 09:47AM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Dodgy Gizas

I sphinx you're right.

OU812 · 21-09-2016 09:50AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Did I not read this on Reddit yesterday??

You appear to be confusing boards with the journal.

Wibbs · 21-09-2016 09:53AM

Not that Amway crowd by any chance?

BoJack Horseman · 21-09-2016 10:00AM

Invigaron?

marcbrophy · 21-09-2016 10:18AM

A cheap suit and a discount hour rate in the ballroom of a fancy hotel, during the midweek slump and any fraudster with a powerpoint can convince people they are wealthy. Wealthy beyond belief, mind you.

And they made all their money, by forcing all their friends away from them, trying to peddle them cheap shít like health juice and washing detergent.

Amuses me no end, how people are so fcuking gullible

Esel · 21-09-2016 10:30AM

Downside up?

Yeaaah, that's the ticket....

astrofool · 21-09-2016 10:38AM

OU812 wrote: »

..,It's an inverted sales funnel

Actual phrase used by someone to try to recruit me into "the forever lifestyle".

Now admittedly, it seems to work quite well for him, he regularly travels internationally to their events and solely funds the family lifestyle through it & *seems* to be doing quite well but he got into it pretty early.

But it's still a pyramid scheme.

Your experiences with them?

It *seems* to work for him, yet he's hanging around like a fly on sh*te to any idiot he can shill to.

If someone is telling you they spend their life as leisure time but are in fact working at recruiting in front of you, they are lying. It also means he spends the majority of his days talking to morons and trying to convince their little brains to give him money so he can spend tomorrow doing the same to more morons.

kunst nugget · 21-09-2016 10:40AM

Two people in work have sunk money into OneCoin, convinced that they are going to make a fortune. One even thinks he'll be able to retire early because of it. No amount of research I've pulled up on it can convince him otherwise and he says that it's propaganda spread by the likes of BitCoin to stop OneCoin being even more successful than it is. I've tried but at this stage, let him off. The thing is I thought he was a smart enough fella but it really has me questioning that.

Speedwell · 21-09-2016 10:42AM

OU812 wrote: »

...he got into it pretty early.

Well, there you go, you yourself said it. If you can't replicate the conditions under which he made his own money with a "downstream", how are you going to reproduce the results of his "upstream"?

Tell him that when you can get in on the same ground floor as he did, with the market offering the same low saturation rate of prospects as when he started, then you might listen to him about the "opportunity".

lawred2 · 21-09-2016 10:44AM

OU812 wrote: »

..,It's an inverted sales funnel

Actual phrase used by someone to try to recruit me into "the forever lifestyle".

Now admittedly, it seems to work quite well for him, he regularly travels internationally to their events and solely funds the family lifestyle through it & *seems* to be doing quite well but he got into it pretty early.

But it's still a pyramid scheme.

Your experiences with them?

wifey had a shot at it

it needs a lot of time for little return

you'll end up buying a lot of products yourself

fresh meat is constantly needed at the bottom - if you don't embarrass easily and have lots of friends who are victims of the big sell then you could build a network under you for sure.

It's a pyramid scheme - nothing else

your friend got in near the top but my wife was surprised at the amount of people who had already heard about forever, were already buying products and had already been subject to recruitment attempts.

she jacked it in sharpish - took us a while to get through all the snake oil crap that they peddled

martinn123 · 21-09-2016 10:47AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Two people in work have sunk money into OneCoin, convinced that they are going to make a fortune. .

This Scam seems to be gathering momentum in Ireland

I am aware of weekly meetings in a Co. Louth Hotel which is pulling in loads of punters

Reports of similar meetings in other parts of the country.

Total rubbish, but there are people who will fall for a scam no matter how ridiculous it appears.

lawred2 · 21-09-2016 10:47AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Not that Amway crowd by any chance?

oh god - my folks were suckered in to that at one point

RustyNut · 21-09-2016 10:49AM

blinding wrote: »

Send me money

........its always worth a try

Listen sorry about this but the cheque I sent you was for $10,000, I only meant to send $1,000 so it would be good if you could western union the ballance to me at account no 1canscam2.

Chuchote · 21-09-2016 10:52AM

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/the-case-for-prescription-heroin/

So heroin under prohibition becomes, in effect, a pyramid-selling scheme. ‘Insurance companies would love to have salesmen like drug addicts’ — i.e. with that level of motivation — Dr Marks explains. Prescription kills the scheme. You don’t have to sell smack to get smack.

tritium · 21-09-2016 11:21AM

I had a friend once who similarly to the OPs experience swore blind to me that the "sales' event he invited me to wasnt a pyramid scheme. I took out a pen and paper and mapped out exactly why it was. He just looked at me blankly and like a broken tape recorder repeated the same speil that id just rubbished.

Scary how brainwashed people get with these things.

El Weirdo · 21-09-2016 11:24AM

lawred2 wrote: »

wifey had a shot at it...

lawred2 wrote: »

oh god - my folks were suckered in to that at one point

Jesus.

Chuchote · 21-09-2016 11:26AM

I had a friend try to get me in on a succession of them. I'd say "But that's pyramid selling, isn't that illegal?" and he'd say "Not at all!" and I'd say "How isn't it?" and he'd say "Would you like another coffee?"

lawred2 · 21-09-2016 11:27AM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Jesus.

I know...

can't be held responsible for my parents but I told the wife to leave it however she was determined (she's like that, also her friend was recruiting her)

We came to an agreement that as soon as she began to get the faintest smell of a rat that she was to drop it.

It didn't take long.

My parents don't like to talk about Amway

OU812 · 21-09-2016 11:45AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRMwmMcZKAA

Speedwell · 21-09-2016 11:48AM

Christ. My father got sucked into Amway at one point because he was out of work and ashamed of it, the predator was in his Sunday School class, and the patter that year was heavy in "the American way of freedom and independence is to go into business for yourself", which my immigrant father was vulnerable to. He was nevertheless enough of a hardheaded engineer to force his upstream to buy the product back from him in a meeting in which he explained to them exactly why and how the product line was inferior to cheaper supermarket products.

Calibos · 21-09-2016 12:35PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Christ. My father got sucked into Amway at one point because he was out of work and ashamed of it, the predator was in his Sunday School class, and the patter that year was heavy in "the American way of freedom and independence is to go into business for yourself", which my immigrant father was vulnerable to. He was nevertheless enough of a hardheaded engineer to force his upstream to buy the product back from him in a meeting in which he explained to them exactly why and how the product line was inferior to cheaper supermarket products.

I thought you were going to say, "...when and how the product line would be inserted up which orifice" if he didn't buy the product back from him.

Calibos · 21-09-2016 12:38PM

OU812 wrote: »

You appear to be confusing boards with the journal.

I am 42 years old. I've read about pyramid schemes and Forever Young on many occasions in my life. I can honestly say I have never in my life heard the phrase, "inverted sales funnel" until this morning on Reddit and this thread an hour or two later.

What an incredible coincidence!!

Speedwell · 21-09-2016 12:40PM

Calibos wrote: »

I thought you were going to say, "...when and how the product line would be inserted up which orifice" if he didn't buy the product back from him.

To be fair, my dad, though a small guy, could have easily auditioned for the part of Severus Snape in the Harry Potter movies. He never committed a single act of violence against another man in all my life, but I am willing to believe that his blunt, take-no-prisoners, super-factual manner of talking and his air of "how dare you think I'm anything but 200 percent serious" came across to many people as having a chip on his shoulder the size of a battleship.

It's not a pyramid scheme...

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