Are face recognition clocking in machines Legal?

davo10 · 18-09-2016 06:32PM

For ever odd wrote: »

The 'workplace' does not give payslips or intend too.

Bye the Bye, yes I am quiet happy to have a job, never had a problem getting one or holding one. Some it appears have yet to enter the work-force.

I have nothing to hide. My workplace on the other hand..

Your workplace is introducing biometric clock in but doesn't give payslips? That doesn't seem right, I have electronic payslips, are you sure your company don't do this?

Why would they spend money on biometrics if they wouldn't generate an electronic record of your hours/pay?

Senna · 18-09-2016 06:49PM

For ever odd wrote: »

The 'workplace' does not give payslips or intend too.

Bye the Bye, yes I am quiet happy to have a job, never had a problem getting one or holding one. Some it appears have yet to enter the work-force.

I have nothing to hide. My workplace on the other hand..

Is pay information available on a work intranet?

18-09-2016 06:56PM

Senna wrote: »

Is pay information available on a work intranet?

Must be available outside of work. Intranet not sufficient.

For ever odd · 18-09-2016 07:10PM

davo10 wrote: »

Your workplace is introducing biometric clock in but doesn't give payslips? That doesn't seem right, I have electronic payslips, are you sure your company don't do this?

Why would they spend money on biometrics if they wouldn't generate an electronic record of your hours/pay?

A few people have asked, and been told they would e-mail them their payslips- it never happened. Believe it or not, it is quiet common in Ireland, however unsavoury.

Stheno · 18-09-2016 07:10PM

For ever odd wrote: »

A few people have asked, and been told they would e-mail them their payslips- it never happened. Believe it or not, it is quiet common in Ireland, however unsavoury.

It's not tbh.

Report them

For ever odd · 18-09-2016 07:11PM

davo10 wrote: »

Your workplace is introducing biometric clock in but doesn't give payslips? That doesn't seem right, I have electronic payslips, are you sure your company don't do this?

Why would they spend money on biometrics if they wouldn't generate an electronic record of your hours/pay?

Exactly my issue.

For ever odd · 18-09-2016 07:14PM

Stheno wrote: »

It's not tbh.

Report them

Revenue have said what you have said 'they must provide a payslip'. NO futher action was taken by revenue.

Said too much already.

Senna · 18-09-2016 07:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Must be available outside of work. Intranet not sufficient.

So it's no possible to print them out in work?

franknottaken · 18-09-2016 07:16PM

If your company has a HR system most likely have an actual photo of you in it. If it is a cloud based system it's connected to the Internet. Also most likely stores your PPS number and bank data, hone address, phone number and so on.

I would not be worried by this myself, but you are taking issue with your company storing binary data for clocking in when they most likely have above stored.

Clocking is also used to know who is in or out of the building in case of fire.

Stheno · 18-09-2016 07:17PM

For ever odd wrote: »

Revenue have said what you have said 'they must provide a payslip'. NO futher action was taken by revenue.

Said too much already.

Report them to workplace relations

harr · 18-09-2016 07:25PM

Would be pushy on the payslip issue....you need to sort this out first. What do you do if you need payslip for any reason bank, credit union or any other scenario where you have to prove your income?

Senna · 18-09-2016 07:26PM

harr wrote: »

Would be pushy on the payslip issue....you need to sort this out first. What do you do if you need payslip for any reason bank, credit union or any other scenario where you have to prove your income?

Click print??

K.Flyer · 18-09-2016 08:46PM

joeguevara wrote: »

If you were allowed to use the van for private use they are required to allow you to turn off the tracking for private use...they cannot track you on your private time (unless you weren't allowed to use the van for private use).

It is their property and a valuable asset, they would be entitled to have it tracked 24 / 7 if they wanted to. If the driver doesn't want to be tracked during off-time then he should use a different vehicle. There may also be insurance implications if a tracker was turned off and the vehicle subsequently stolen.

harr · 18-09-2016 08:49PM

Senna wrote: »

Click print??

The OP has said he has no access to any form of payslip and other employees have requested them with no joy..

joeguevara · 18-09-2016 08:55PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

It is their property and a valuable asset, they would be entitled to have it tracked 24 / 7 if they wanted to. If the driver doesn't want to be tracked during off-time then he should use a different vehicle. There may also be insurance implications if a tracker was turned off and the vehicle subsequently stolen.

https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/FAQ--Vehicle-Tracking/924.htm

If they are permitted to use it for private use then they have to be able to turn it off....if not permitted for private use no problem.

K.Flyer · 18-09-2016 08:59PM

Clocking in / out hand scaning devices and the like have been around for a few years now and are most likely going to become the norm.
So what will happen to those who are getting their knickers in a twist over them when they start a new job and are told "..that's how we do it here and its been our only method to record time-keeping for years"
You either get with the program or Jog On dot Com.

K.Flyer · 18-09-2016 09:04PM

joeguevara wrote: »

https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/FAQ--Vehicle-Tracking/924.htm

If they are permitted to use it for private use then they have to be able to turn it off....if not permitted for private use no problem.

Then that would probably only apply to company cars as you are not supposed to be using commercial vehicles for private use at any time as per form RF 111A.

joeguevara · 18-09-2016 09:17PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

Then that would probably only apply to company cars as you are not supposed to be using commercial vehicles for private use at any time as per form RF 111A.

It would also be for company vans if using for private purposes...hence why I said if using for private use....form rf11a is for goods carrying vehicles. They can be used for private use but would have to be taxed appropriately.

K.Flyer · 18-09-2016 09:21PM

joeguevara wrote: »

It would also be for company vans if using for private purposes...hence why I said if using for private use....form rf11a is for goods carrying vehicles. They can be used for private use but would have to be taxed appropriately.

A "company" van would be a commercial vehicle ergo a goods vehicle used in the line of ones business and taxed as a goods vehicle. No private use allowed.
Too far off thread subject now.

18-09-2016 09:33PM

Senna wrote: »

So it's no possible to print them out in work?

People on long term sick, maternity, working off site etc. They must have ability to retrieve the payslip.

Or you must send it to them

Stealthfins · 18-09-2016 10:03PM

For ever odd wrote:

Hi guys, My workplace are introducing a face recognition (eye scanner) clock in clock out system for time keeping purposes, with a finger print taken as a back up system (finger print scanner).

It'll probably put a stop to Jack getting Mat to clock him out,and Kevin won't be able to leave early for training.

Michelle won't be able to get Caroline to clock her in either.

On Thursday's when Simon does his usual social care job,instead of the gardening,hell have to sort something out.
Because Ralph wouldn't get away with clocking him in or out either

A lot of these country estate and parkland jobs and semistates have a lot of this shte going on.

People at clock machines and the machine beeping twice,oh dear they say I swiped twice by mistake.....

Carawaystick · 19-09-2016 11:41AM

How do retina scans work if you need to wear an eyepatch or fingerprint scans work on a cut finger?

Are face recognition clocking in machines Legal?

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