Warehouse jobs not good enough for Irish

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-09-2016 02:53PM

pablo128 wrote: »

That's an utterly sh1tty attitude. Who the fcuk do you think pays for someones dole?

Not as shyte an attitude as some of the management in theses places. Id say its a wake up call for people to concentrate on an education to avoid these places at all cost. In saying that where ya end up could be just as bad.:)

Harvey Normal · 18-09-2016 02:54PM

pablo128 wrote: »

And so do the lads on a tenner an hour and even less than that. The same ones who's job is beneath you.

How low do you think the wages should go before you think somebody has a point?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 18-09-2016 02:56PM

pablo128 wrote: »

And so do the lads on a tenner an hour and even less than that. The same ones who's job is beneath you.

It's not beneath me. My job is equally ****. I'm basing it on a purely statistical point of view. You're working for €30 a day. For that you wouldnt even pay your car insurance/tax to get you in and out of work. You're literally working for nothing, and why, just so you can feel satisfied that you're working? Eh no thanks.

18-09-2016 02:57PM

pablo128 wrote: »

That's an utterly sh1tty attitude. Who the fcuk do you think pays for someones dole?

It's not shitty at all.

For some situations, it's an entirely rational choice. Especially if you have children, for example.

Free markets work both ways, you know. If you make an insufficient offer on a product for sale, a retailer may decide it isn't worth selling that product to you. Similarly, if a firm isn't willing to pay a living wage for your labour, then a worker is entirely justified, in my view, to not sell his labour below a certain price.

There is a certain cult of work whose great panegyric is "hard work", that there's some sort of heroism in working for peanuts. It is no more heroic to work for peanuts than it is to sell your goods for below cost-price. People who do the latter are something called 'fools'. I'm not quite sure why working below the cost of living is seen as any different.

In whose interest does this ideology of 'hard work at any price' operate?

goose2005 · 18-09-2016 02:58PM

I'd take that job in a heartbeat. But of course they don't want me, they want someone they can abuse and who can't afford to quit if they get abuse.

vOutside of the capital unemployment is still very high. If you think we're at a point now where there are more job vacancies then people based on this article you are mistaken.

there are 15,000 unemployed in Kildare, including 5,000 in Maynooth which is next to Kilcock. It would be trivially easy to fill all these jobs with young, fit Irish people but sure they'd be wanting their breaks and their rights and their pay and other mad stuff like that.

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 02:59PM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Not as shyte an attitude as some of the management in theses places. Id say its a wake up call for people to concentrate on an education to avoid these places at all cost. In saying that where ya end up could be just as bad.:)

If you have kids and rent to pay you should be glad of a job anywhere. Ok, if it's not for you well you can use it as a stepping stone to get something else or try to work your way up the ladder.

I was in that position in 2008. 1200 rent per month and a newborn baby and both of us were made redundant. Should I have stayed on the dole or took the 8.65 per hour warehouse job? Well I took the job and worked my way up. I didn't have much choice.

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:03PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

How low do you think the wages should go before you think somebody has a point?

What? Where did I mention lowering anyones wages? Please don't try to put words in my mouth.

hannible the cannible · 18-09-2016 03:05PM

pablo128 wrote: »

And so do the lads on a tenner an hour and even less than that. The same ones who's job is beneath you.

So should everybody be glad of a job ? Or how low should wages drop and how hard should a manual labour have to work for someone to say I've had enough of this **** , or is it simply a case of put up with it and be glad you've a job to go to

Harvey Normal · 18-09-2016 03:07PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

How low do you think the wages should go before you think somebody has a point?

Let me rephrase. You said that a poster found the job beneath him. Actually he said the pay was beneath him. He even did the calculations.

So what level of pay would you think somebody could justify choosing to not take the job?

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:09PM

hannible the cannible wrote: »

So should everybody be glad of a job ? Or how low should wages drop and how hard should a manual labour have to work for someone to say I've had enough of this **** , or is it simply a case of put up with it and be glad you've a job to go to

How long would you reckon you would be on the dole before someone comes along and hands you an 18 euro an hour job? As another poster pointed out, 15 thousand people in Kildare alone unemployed. You would be waiting a while.

BattleCorp · 18-09-2016 03:09PM

I work in the fmcg warehouse industry.

Believe me when I tell you that it's a race to the bottom.

It's sh1t money for very very hard work. You could have pick rates approaching 200 cases per hour, minimum breaks and be forced to work overtime. You are turned into a robot.

It's even tougher for agency staff.

Not nice places to work.

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:10PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Let me rephrase. You said that a poster found the job beneath him. Actually he said the pay was beneath him. He even did the calculations.

So what level of pay would you think somebody could justify choosing to not take the job?

Chap, you are the one trying to justify not taking a job.

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-09-2016 03:15PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I work in the fmcg warehouse industry.

Believe me when I tell you that it's a race to the bottom.

It's sh1t money for very very hard work. You could have pick rates approaching 200 cases per hour, minimum breaks and be forced to work overtime. You are turned into a robot.

It's even tougher for agency staff.

Not nice places to work.

The funny thing is its not even just the money. Its about having a little self respect cause they ain't going to give ya much. I think even the polish cope on after a while but hey it doesn't matter a fook to management because theres more than likely a high turnover of staff anyways.

Harvey Normal · 18-09-2016 03:15PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Chap, you are the one trying to justify not taking a job.

I've got a job.

Do you find counter factual questions hard? Can you answer the question if not?

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:22PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

I've got a job.

Do you find counter factual questions hard? Can you answer the question if not?

I'm not going to justify not taking a job. If you have read my posts so far in this thread you will see why.

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-09-2016 03:26PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I'm not going to justify not taking a job. If you have read my posts so far in this thread you will see why.

So all warehouse jobs be the same? And advancement is a cert?

hannible the cannible · 18-09-2016 03:26PM

pablo128 wrote: »

How long would you reckon you would be on the dole before someone comes along and hands you an 18 euro an hour job? As another poster pointed out, 15 thousand people in Kildare alone unemployed. You would be waiting a while.

I'll agree with you on that , but paying someone little more than what the dole pays is no incentive to return to work

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 18-09-2016 03:26PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Chap, you are the one trying to justify not taking a job.

Would you take a job if it meant you had to work in an absolute soul destroying bastard hole for €30 a day while trying to keep your ever increasing bills paid due to being in that bastard hole? Tax, insurance, upkeep of a car, food for lunches etc? What if you had children, you'd be working for even less given the increase in money from social welfare?

Harvey Normal · 18-09-2016 03:26PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I'm not going to justify not taking a job. If you have read my posts so far in this thread you will see why.

Ok so think that the actual wage could be lower and people should still take a job? I was asking for an actual minimum figure but I suppose anything at subsistence level.

It's moot anyway as they didn't advertise in Kildare.

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:33PM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

So all warehouse jobs be the same? And advancement is a cert?

Oh look. Someone else trying to put words in my mouth.:rolleyes:

Sam Kade · 18-09-2016 03:34PM

lawred2 wrote: »

What is unfair about it?

It's hardly skilled labor. What exactly is a fair day's pay?

You want to inflate unskilled pay to the levels of skilled pay?

As for the article... I don't trust anything that comes from the dependent news and media.

Have you ever worked in a ware house or know someone working there? There's a certain amount of skill needed in every job.

Harvey Normal · 18-09-2016 03:35PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Oh look. Someone else trying to put words in my mouth.:rolleyes:

You could answer questions put to you if you think you are being mis represented.

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:36PM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

Would you take a job if it meant you had to work in an absolute soul destroying bastard hole for €30 a day while trying to keep your ever increasing bills paid due to being in that bastard hole? Tax, insurance, upkeep of a car, food for lunches etc? What if you had children, you'd be working for even less given the increase in money from social welfare?

I did! Go back and read my posts. I also had a 5k loan to pay. Actually had I stayed out of work my loan insurance would have paid my loan for up to a year.

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:38PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

You could answer questions put to you if you think you are being mis represented.

I answered your question as best I could, and had the other poster asked me a question rather than trying to put words in my mouth, I would have answered them too.

Can we get back on topic?

Mr. teddywinkles · 18-09-2016 03:39PM

pablo128 wrote: »

Oh look. Someone else trying to put words in my mouth.:rolleyes:

Their questions probably put a bit rhetorically but hey

Birneybau · 18-09-2016 03:41PM

Gotta laugh at the Pallet Freight advertisement I saw on bottom of the page (mobile site)

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 18-09-2016 03:51PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I did! Go back and read my posts. I also had a 5k loan to pay. Actually had I stayed out of work my loan insurance would have paid my loan for up to a year.

I apologise. I can't read every post on here. Look, fair play if you did work but honestly working for 350 a week wouldnt be a viable thing for me. I would be coming out with the exact same money if I was on the dole. Is the dole too much? is €10 an hour too little?

pablo128 · 18-09-2016 03:58PM

The Honey Monster wrote: »

I apologise. I can't read every post on here. Look, fair play if you did work but honestly working for 350 a week wouldnt be a viable thing for me. I would be coming out with the exact same money if I was on the dole. Is the dole too much? is €10 an hour too little?

We don't get a say what the minimum wage is, so I think us discussing it is pointless. Having said that, in an ideal world it would be a 'living wage' whatever that is. I think it was proposed a while back @11.50 or something similar.

Anyway it is what it is. I'm of the view that it's easier to get a job when you have one already, so if I was jobless again I would take what I could get until I found something better or got promoted.

And that's precisely the point I was trying to get across in the first place.

edit. Just to add, I don't think under 25s are on 180 a week on the dole, so that might make a difference to them.

cajonlardo · 18-09-2016 04:29PM

Lower to mid waged people start off going to work every day with the best of intentions.
Then Mickey the Minister decides to load his good buddies business debts onto their shoulders and there is a shortfall in their wage packet. Then the insurance C.E.O realises he isn't going to make that huge bonus this Christmas so he loads a whack onto the workers insurance and there is yet another shortfall. Then the Landlord needs to make up their own shortfall and increases the rent.This trickles down through cause and effect until soon enough the bus driver or tradesman wants to make up their own shortfall at the cost of their fellow workers. Doesn't take long before the whole point of going out to work is lost and it should not be a surprise that starts at lower end of the labour market.

In a lot of these type of threads I have asked a question ( but never yet got an answer)
Back in 2001 I passed the dole office on my way to work and there was no queue.
There will be queue down the street next week.
Something changed in those years. Do people like the Kermit muppet starting this thread honestly believe it was the unemployed who caused those changes?

Harvey Normal · 18-09-2016 04:41PM

cajonlardo wrote: »

Lower to mid waged people start off going to work every day with the best of intentions.
Then Mickey the Minister decides to load his good buddies business debts onto their shoulders and there is a shortfall in their wage packet. Then the insurance C.E.O realises he isn't going to make that huge bonus this Christmas so he loads a whack onto the workers insurance and there is yet another shortfall. Then the Landlord needs to make up their own shortfall and increases the rent.This trickles down through cause and effect until soon enough the bus driver or tradesman wants to make up their own shortfall at the cost of their fellow workers. Doesn't take long before the whole point of going out to work is lost and it should not be a surprise that starts at lower end of the labour market.

In a lot of these type of threads I have asked a question ( but never yet got an answer)
Back in 2001 I passed the dole office on my way to work and there was no queue.
There will be queue down the street next week.
Something changed in those years. Do people like the Kermit muppet starting this thread honestly believe it was the unemployed who caused those changes?

It would be populist to blame the bankers so let's not do that. I blame unicorns.

Warehouse jobs not good enough for Irish

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