Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Note in OP, 13/9

secman wrote: »

I'd say all the orgasm's we have had to witness since the special one2 was appuoo are well drying up now. And as for the prodigal son Pogba, looks like we were mugged

Koeman off to a good start, called it back at end of last season, a good choice in my books, none of this special boloxology, just a good man manager, good tactician, playing attractive footy.
3 bad choices since SAF left.

You sound like you are letting your personal dislike of Mourhino cloud your judgement with you declarations about managerial choices at the end of September.


Are you honestly suggesting that Koeman would have been a better choice than Mourhino?

RasTa wrote: »

Well then you're a sensitive one. Why were you disappointed? Can you imagine what Fergie would have said about that incident.

Goodbye.

edgecutter wrote: »

Rooney was moved to the middle, the 10 position and then to the wing and contributed nothing today.

And then people will try to tell you he isn't being shoehorned into the side. :rolleyes:

Imagine hearing the lineup pre-game and Zlatan is named in midfield. "WTF" would be the cry and if the subsequent performance was poor, disjointed and unbalanced then afterwards people would quite rightly point to the obvious problem of the team starting a slow striker out of position in the middle of the field.

Were other players poor? Sure they were, but guess what, we ****ing neutered our team by once again playing shoving Rooney in at the expense of others, until we stop doing that everything else is just window dressing.

Victor McDade wrote: »

Some massive over reactionary ****e being posted. It is fixable and will be fixed in time. Yes, Rooney shouldn't be playing. Yes the formation doesn't look like it's working at the moment. But we're only a handful of games into the season with a new manager and some new players. And with better luck we'd have taken a point from City with a penalty for the foul on Rooney, today Pogba's rocket is 6 inches lower and flies in or Ibra's header beats the keeper and we go on to win.
We'll get better. Relax and give it time

The problem is that we are still trying to find our 'best' team and formation. Other teams have had a blip but are now kicking on (Liverpool and Aresnal), yet we are actually getting worse.

There was so many positional changes today to either accommodate players or in hope that moving someone to another position would hopefully create something.

The changes were there for all to see at the end of the first half for what needed to be done to get the best out of the team, but Jose didn't do it. This is what concerns me as it is plain to see that some players need a few weeks out of the 18 man squad.

RasTa wrote: »

You cite my lack of debating skills but quip back with a rolleyes smiley and one word responses.

Never mind saying actually nothing on the first goal bar repeating what you saw on your stream which doesn't make any sense.

I did explain when asked by Nalz.

You seem intent on trying to antagonise.

Goodbye and the rolls eyes were all you deserved really and the goodbye was sort of a clue that I was done debating with you.

bangkok wrote: »

Where's fellaini?!

Scholes made a good point about him after the game. Mentioned that Fell just breaks up the play brings nothing else. He wont dictate the game etc

Fell and Pogba partnership will never work in the long term, Pogba needs someone beside him that can control the temp and few nice passes to the attack. Someone like Kross

edgecutter wrote: »

The problem is that we are still trying to find our 'best' team and formation. Other teams have had a blip but are now kicking on (Liverpool and Aresnal), yet we are actually getting worse.

There was so many positional changes today to either accommodate players or in hope that moving someone to another position would hopefully create something.

The changes were there for all to see at the end of the first half for what needed to be done to get the best out of the team, but Jose didn't do it. This is what concerns me as it is plain to see that some players need a few weeks out of the 18 man squad.

I don't disagree with any of what you said but we need to be patient. Two big refereeing decisions have cost us points in the last two games, everyone has their own ideas about how to fix it. I just think it's a bit early for the outcry on this thread in the last hour. If it's still awful football by Halloween then it's time to worry.
Winning the league is probably beyond United this season, so top 4 is the target. Arsenal will have another blip soon enough, Liverpool look good but always prone to ballsing up against lower teams. Things can change so quickly

As much as Fellaini has done well this season I really do want to see Blind tried in that DM position.

Liam O wrote: »

Can you not see him in both pictures?

He's being given the run around because beside Pogba he's basically a lone midfielder as Pogba is very tactically naive. The 2 players capable of playing the deep role are over 30 and Mourinho doesn't fancy one of them. Fellaini can't keep being asked to cover both sides and the middle without anyone else there, he gets dragged to one side and it leaves gaping hole in the middle.

Really missed Blind today, he covers a lot of those gaps.

Fellaini is literally tracking runs in both pics. Did very well on he second goal to cover the gap and was let down by his team mates standing still.

Fellaini went tracking runs and was let down by his partner who was not switched on.

I think the manager has to take the blame for what happened to United today. I said before the kickoff that I wasn't impressed with the starting lineup. Smalling and Bailly should never be on the field together imo, it's just a mistake waiting to happen.

Certainly Rashford deserved a run but I don't see why Rooney and Martial get picked.

After 20 minutes of the game today it was clear that there was a disconnect between the front four and the deeper midfield. It was pretty obvious who could solve that issue and his name is Juan Mata but he didn't come on until late in the game.

No sign of Mkhitaryan today, was he injured? Pogba made a huge mistake for the second goal. Of course Schweinsteiger can't even get into the squad which seems ludicrous to me. He is another player that would have been a good one to bring on today. I'd imagine that along with his good football he'd also bring a bit of leadership which is clearly missing from that team.

Mourinho has struck me over the last couple of years as somebody that never changes his mind about anything even if it's to the detriment of the team. He gets all the blame for a pathetic performance by United today imo.