Man tries to steal and cycle bike away - while it's still locked to the railings

Foxhound38 · 14-09-2016 09:19AM #1

Will you take me to... junkie tooown

Anyone else think the zombie problem in the capital and the cities is getting worse instead of better since the crash?

the groutch · 14-09-2016 09:24AM

He's definitely a dope peddler.

The_Valeyard · 14-09-2016 09:38AM

A wheelie bad thief. Fair play to the Garda for the speedy arrest. I wonder if he tried to pedaddle when he saw the gardai coming.

14-09-2016 09:44AM

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

4ensic15 · 14-09-2016 09:51AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

Its bad enough having to look at and encounter junkies without having to feel sorry for them as well.

Drakares · 14-09-2016 09:56AM

I'm sure it was a lovely sight for the tourists passing by. Welcome to Dublin!

Jawgap · 14-09-2016 09:59AM

The cycle of addiction

Tombo2001 · 14-09-2016 10:00AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

When you de-humanize people, it becomes a lot easier not to give a sh*t about them. Its a popular media trick that plays right into the way the human psyche works.

You are spot on about the wording......"The public" are encountering these people, ergo they are not part of the public, they are separate from everyone else.....

Kings Inns or bust · 14-09-2016 10:01AM

It really is about time we gave these lads somewhere to go. I suspect it would be best, given the OP, that it was in walking distance.

The amount of misery to everyone including the junkies that could be avoided buy handing out free heroin etc. is absolutely stunning. It amazes me that this is still a political football in this day and age.

Tombo2001 · 14-09-2016 10:01AM

Drakares wrote: »

I'm sure it was a lovely sight for the tourists passing by. Welcome to Dublin!

Ah yeah, cause we all care a lot more about tourists than our own......

SteM · 14-09-2016 10:02AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

Why take that particular paragraph, is it just because it suits your argument? There's another paragraph in the piece.....

"The incident in the city centre was yet another example of the scourge of illegal drugs in Dublin and its harmful effects."

14-09-2016 10:05AM

SteM wrote: »

"The incident in the city centre was yet another example of the scourge of illegal drugs in Dublin and its harmful effects."

Read your own quote. The attempt to cycle a stolen bike is an example of the 'scourge'. The scourge of addiction on our fellow citizens' lives is not specified.

The guy was a chancer, I happen to think he ought to be prosecuted. But in the scheme of things, the article's focus is totally warped, in my view.

gramar · 14-09-2016 10:07AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

Watching someone trying to cycle a locked bicycle if funny on the face of it but I entirely agree that it quite sad to think of the events in that persons life that has led them to that point.

The Backwards Man · 14-09-2016 10:34AM

To be fair, the Indo thinks anyone who hasn't a holiday home in the French Riviera is part the 'scourge'.

Winterlong · 14-09-2016 10:46AM

He is not even wearing a helmet. Shocking.

Foxhound38 · 14-09-2016 10:47AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

It is a lifestyle choice - I feel bad for the old timers who got hooked without knowing what heroin was and what it did, but the zombies crawling around O'Connell Street cannot claim to have been ignorant of it before starting. It's sad, but it's entirely self-inflicted - sorry to be harsh about it.

suicide_circus · 14-09-2016 10:54AM

My sympathy mainly lies with the victims of this guys no doubt continuous theft spree

Speedwell · 14-09-2016 10:56AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

It is a lifestyle choice - I feel bad for the old timers who got hooked without knowing what heroin was and what it did, but the zombies crawling around O'Connell Street cannot claim to have been ignorant of it before starting. It's sad, but it's entirely self-inflicted - sorry to be harsh about it.

I wonder how many people addicted to heroin and other opiates started with legally prescribed or hospital-administered narcotics for pain. My brother in the US had to go on methadone treatment after his doctor badly managed his long-term treatment and his chemist never questioned why he had been taking narcotics for so long. He was on the methadone until he died.

Wanderer78 · 14-09-2016 11:09AM

People posting without having any understanding of drug addiction and mental health problems! We 've a long way to go!

Tombo2001 · 14-09-2016 11:13AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

It is a lifestyle choice - I feel bad for the old timers who got hooked without knowing what heroin was and what it did, but the zombies crawling around O'Connell Street cannot claim to have been ignorant of it before starting. It's sad, but it's entirely self-inflicted - sorry to be harsh about it.

You cant reconcile that with the fact that heroin use is very heavily concentrated in particular pockets of Dublin and has been for close on three generations.

Its part of the culture of those areas.

Its like saying that Gaelic Football is a lifestyle choice in Kerry. No, its something that everybody in Kerry is exposed to from an early age.

Your parents did it, your grandparents did it. And when you get to your teenage years, everyone else is doing it so you may get into it too.

14-09-2016 11:22AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

It is a lifestyle choice - I feel bad for the old timers who got hooked without knowing what heroin was and what it did, but the zombies crawling around O'Connell Street cannot claim to have been ignorant of it before starting. It's sad, but it's entirely self-inflicted - sorry to be harsh about it.

A recent survey of Dubliners who were injecting heroin found that the median age of their first use was 16 years of age. The midspread was between 14 and 18.

http://www.dtcb.ie/_fileupload/publications/2012%20The%20journey%20into%20injecting%20heroin%20use.%20Heroin%20Addiction%20and%20Related%20Clinical%20Problems.%20europad.org.pdf

Three-quarters said they would not inject if they could go back to their childhood years. They don't have that luxury.

Heroin addiction in young people is strongly correlated with poverty, chaotic families, sexual abuse and other trauma.

Most of us were lucky (yes, lucky )to have avoided a life of those miseries. The least we can do is not turn our backs and laugh at those who were a lot less fortunate.

Butters1979 · 14-09-2016 11:28AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

And who grabbed these people and forced them to start taking drugs?
Some people grew up in a disadvantaged situation. Some dealt with it and did their best with what they had , others used it as an excuse to give up and now go around commiting criminal acts or begging to fund their addiction. No ones fault but their own.

14-09-2016 11:33AM

Butters1979 wrote: »

And who grabbed these people and forced them to start taking drugs?

The point is the amount of people who began taking drugs when they were in their mid-teens, or younger. These were children, many of whom were brought up in very unstable families or in care. They weren't adults making rational choices.

Wanderer78 · 14-09-2016 11:34AM

Butters1979 wrote:

And who grabbed these people and forced them to start taking drugs? Some people grew up in a disadvantaged situation. Some dealt with it and did their best with what they had , others used it as an excuse to give up and now go around commiting criminal acts or begging to fund their addiction. No ones fault but their own.

Oh good God, please don't ever work with people with complex issues such as mental health issues and addiction problems. Thank you

SEPT 23 1989 · 14-09-2016 11:36AM

If they were only taking clean heroin we wouldn't see people in that state

Butters1979 · 14-09-2016 11:39AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh good God, please don't ever work with people with complex issues such as mental health issues and addiction problems. Thank you

Please don't ever work with victims of crime by addicts and junkies. Apparently it's all our fault.

Kings Inns or bust · 14-09-2016 11:42AM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Please don't ever work with victims of crime by addicts and junkies. Apparently it's all our fault.

It's largely the junkies fault but as a society we've been frankly retarded (I pick that word deliberately) in not taking the obvious and cost effective solutions.

foggy_lad · 14-09-2016 11:43AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The public are encountering an ever-increasing number of people daily in the city centre who appear to be under the influence of illegal drugs.

Most of these zombies are not on heroin but they are abusing prescription medication, particularly the medication that is doled out to mental health patients in monthly clinics at most large health centres in the city. They get all their anti-depressants and heavy duty sleeping tablets including Rohypnol as well as stronger doses of Valium than most doctors would be comfortable prescribing. These drugs are then saved up and traded by these people for cash or other drugs or for items like phones etc.

Just look at that slant. The focus is not that there's an increasing addiction problem, and that this represents a life-changing crisis for an increasing number of people; instead, it's "An addict tried to cycle a locked bike" (hilarious!) and 'isn't it awful we have to see these people?'

These people used to be kept off the streets in day centres and in day wards of mental hospitals but the cuts in health care and especially the cuts to mental health care have meant that these people are left to their own devices once their chemical kosh has been dispensed! They have been switched to "care in the community" But most communities have their own problems and are not equipped to take care of the mentally ill.

A woman rang into Joe Duffy last week complaining, without a hint of irony, that seeing junkies on O'Connell Street had 'ruined' a night out socialising with her friend. Not a second thought given to how those "junkies'" lives were ruined, as if addiction is a lifestyle choice for inherent wrong 'uns.

Sorry to be a humourless bastard, I know it's AH, but this isn't at all funny nor sensible reporting.

The lives of many with mental health issues can be ruined simply by them being left to the care of the state. They are left to their own devices and simply drugged and told to go home and sleep it off and come back next month.

If the state cared about any of these people they would spend a lot more on mental health.

Wanderer78 · 14-09-2016 11:45AM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Please don't ever work with victims of crime by addicts and junkies. Apparently it's all our fault.

your posting shows that you have very little understanding of these complex issues. plenty of info out there on the weird wide web about these issues including 'cause and effect'. as other have said, we really are approaching these issues incorrectly.

Butters1979 · 14-09-2016 11:51AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

your posting shows that you have very little understanding of these complex issues. plenty of info out there on the weird wide web about these issues including 'cause and effect'. as other have said, we really are approaching these issues incorrectly.

I've no concern about cause and effect. Only concern about consequences for their victims. You say that's approaching these issues incorrectly. I say it's not. We have different views of the world. Please don't tell me mine is becuase I understand less than you. You have no idea what I understand. Your arrogance stinks.

Foxhound38 · 14-09-2016 12:16PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh good God, please don't ever work with people with complex issues such as mental health issues and addiction problems. Thank you

At what point does it stop being society's fault and start being the responsibility of the person engaging in criminality to put toxic waste up their arm?

They are swarming around the city centre stealing, hassling tourists and being a general anti-social nuisance and yet to some people it's the ordinary hardworking Joe trying to get through a days work that is to blame for it because the Junkie didn't get enough hugs as a child? PLENTY of people didn't come from advantaged areas and managed to get out without getting themselves addicted to Heroin.

In what way does it help anyone to absolve a section of society from having to take even a modicum of responsibility for their own lives and actions?

Man tries to steal and cycle bike away - while it's still locked to the railings

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