Gaeltacht man leaves job after being told not to speak Irish

Laika123 · 08-09-2016 03:47PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Anoyonre else feels that this thread needs a poll to show how many posters could actually read the article without running it through google translate first?

Personally, I'd really love to know

Well I couldn't, I let livedadream do the honors.

_Kaiser_ · 08-09-2016 03:48PM

livedadream wrote: »

i dont get why people have such a chip on their shoulder about this, i was brought up speaking irish and speak it every day, outside of the education system ie to my mom and dad sister brother, some friends.
why do you care about other people speaking a language or not? why do the stats have to be bull****? why cant it just be something you didnt experience because you grew up somewhere they didnt speak it everyday?

I think you'll find the "chip" resides more on those who insist that the tiny minority who speak it means that it should be treated in every way - particularly when it comes to state aid and indulgence - as the actual default/native language of the country: English

It's ridiculous the amount of money that's wasted by the State on propping up the Irish language (translating everything into Irish as but one example), but also the fact that it's still a mandatory (for most students) subject in the education system - time that would be far better spent preparing our young for the globalised world we live in - particularly in a country that relies overwhelmingly on FDI from multinational companies.

No-one has an issue with others speaking or learning Irish. WHere the issue arises is when the consequences of that choice is unduly influenced on others by the lobby groups.

bnt · 08-09-2016 03:48PM

Stheno wrote: »

Is it just me or is there a certain irony that the only link the OP can provide to his story is in Irish and he's using it to bash Irish?

I believe that s/he was trying - and failing - to employ one or more linguistic rhetorical devices commonly referred to as "sarcasm" and/or "hyperbole". :rolleyes:

seamus · 08-09-2016 03:50PM

GLaDOS wrote: »

So he refused to work because he couldn't speak Irish?

Yep.

Customers complained, most likely because having the bar staff speaking another language made them feel uncomfortable. So the owners told them to speak english during working hours, and he decided to quit.

Nothing to see here, ring the pitchfork warehouse and cancel the order.

Laika123 · 08-09-2016 03:51PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think you'll find the "chip" resides more on those who insist that the tiny minority who speak it means that it should be treated in every way - particularly when it comes to state aid and indulgence - as the actual default/native language of the country: English

It's ridiculous the amount of money that's wasted by the State on propping up the Irish language (translating everything into Irish as but one example), but also the fact that it's still a mandatory (for most students) subject in the education system - time that would be far better spent preparing our young for the globalised world we live in - particularly in a country that relies overwhelmingly on FDI from multinational companies.

No-one has an issue with others speaking or learning Irish. WHere the issue arises is when the consequences of that choice is unduly influenced on others by the lobby groups.

The big writing seems to contradict everything else you wrote.

livedadream · 08-09-2016 03:51PM

psinno wrote: »

100% of people living in my apartment are me but I wouldn't try to generalise that fact to the whole country since I realise my apartment isn't representative of the country.

not sure why your trying to agrue with me buddie, i didnt say kerry is representative of the country.

and i accept my area isnt representative of the country, i agreed with the poster who said we were a minority only 47% or people in the country say they can speak irish its much lower in terms of people speaking everyday.

only 23000 people approx speak it everyday outside of the education system

in kerry, 47.2% of people speak it everyday, nowhere did i say that was representative,

chip on your shoulder?

Ni lia duine na tuairim

Arcade_Tryer · 08-09-2016 03:52PM

livedadream wrote: »

i dont get why people have such a chip on their shoulder about this, i was brought up speaking irish and speak it every day, outside of the education system ie to my mom and dad sister brother, some friends.
why do you care about other people speaking a language or not? why do the stats have to be bull****? why cant it just be something you didnt experience because you grew up somewhere they didnt speak it everyday?

Because you are deliberately trying to create the impression that you are not in an extreme minority in Ireland. And because you fail to accept that English is the native language for the majority of people born in Ireland for over a century.

Shenshen · 08-09-2016 03:53PM

Laika123 wrote: »

The big writing seems to contradict everything else you wrote.

How so? Nobody here has a problem with people wanting to learn and speak French, either. It would only become an issue if they decided that not only should the state fund their exploits, but that everyone else should be forced to learn it in school and that all public documents in Ireland should also have to be available in French.

_Kaiser_ · 08-09-2016 03:53PM

Laika123 wrote: »

The big writing seems to contradict everything else you wrote.

Maybe read to the end of that line. In this context the employee in question wanted to impose his choice on the customers and colleagues of his workplace.

And then refused to work when he was told it wasn't acceptable following complaints from those customers.

Nothing to see here. Man loses job for refusing to do that job.

livedadream · 08-09-2016 03:54PM

Laika123 wrote: »

Well I couldn't, I let livedadream do the honors.

irish is one of the most under represented languages on google translate,
i wouldnt bother ever trying to translate something into Irish on it. you could be saying anything...

livedadream · 08-09-2016 03:55PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Because you are deliberately trying to create the impression that you are not in an extreme minority in Ireland. And because you fail to accept that English is the native language for the majority of people born in Ireland for over a century.

no i'm not read the stats i provided, it shows Irish is spoken by the minority jesus do people here even read up just jump on the bandwagon..

Wigglepuppy · 08-09-2016 03:55PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right which the state guarantees in its laws to protect and vindicate. You do not lose it when you enter your place of work

You're guaranteed no such thing - where are you getting that idea from?

Arcade_Tryer · 08-09-2016 03:55PM

seamus wrote: »

Yep.

Customers complained, most likely because having the bar staff speaking another language made them feel uncomfortable.

An idea the Irish language fanatics find difficult to fathom no doubt. That not everyone (both inside and outside) of Ireland is as infatuated with the Irish language as they are. And don't like to force our fetishes on others either.

livedadream · 08-09-2016 03:57PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

An idea the Irish language fanatics find difficult to fathom no doubt. That not everyone (both inside and outside) of Ireland is as infatuated with the Irish language as they are. And don't like to force our fetishes on others either.

pub at the end of barracks street right? irish speakers? defo the RA rising again

:D:D

to be fair, ive seen it on facebook, the kids thinks he's famous, they complained about Lithuanian speakers as well it wasnt just him

Wigglepuppy · 08-09-2016 03:59PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Not sure where you grew up

Ah you are - the Gaeltacht of course!

Anyway, militant Irish language bashers and overly entitled Irish speakers with a persecution complex actually have a lot more in common than they think! (Mainly being pains in the hole to an incomprehensible extent

).

Laika123 · 08-09-2016 03:59PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Maybe read to the end of that line. In this context the employee in question wanted to impose his choice on the customers and colleagues of his workplace.

And then refused to work when he was told it wasn't acceptable following complaints from those customers.

Nothing to see here. Man loses job for refusing to do that job.

I did, there was a full-stop, I agree no big hoo-haa, he left his job anyway, case closed.

steddyeddy · 08-09-2016 04:02PM

seamus wrote: »

Yep.

Customers complained, most likely because having the bar staff speaking another language made them feel uncomfortable. So the owners told them to speak english during working hours, and he decided to quit.

Nothing to see here, ring the pitchfork warehouse and cancel the order.

In fairness that's a slippery slope. I'm over in the UK now where hate crimes have seen nearly a 50 increase since last year. One of the more frequent comments is "I wasn't comfortable with the language" usually aimed at Muslims.

I don't want to go down a route in Ireland where people can be laid off because someone is uncomfortable with another language been spoken. Whether that language is Chinese, Arabic, Kiswahili or Irish.

CaePae · 08-09-2016 04:03PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

In this context the employee in question wanted to impose his choice on the customers and colleagues of his workplace.

Indeed, speaking Irish near other people is bound to cause offence and discomfort to the bystanders. Its a place of business, they cant afford to have staff pissing off customers by using dead languages amongst themselves. Its perfectly reasonable to insist that everyone only speaks English. We need more of this, well done to the owner for standing up to the backward bogger from the Gaeltacht.

Tombo2001 · 08-09-2016 04:04PM

Sad day if we cant speak Irish in Ireland any more.

Laika123 · 08-09-2016 04:04PM

CaePae wrote: »

Indeed, speaking Irish near other people is bound to cause offence and discomfort to the bystanders. Its a place of business, they cant afford to have staff pissing off customers by using dead languages amongst themselves. Its perfectly reasonable to insist that everyone only speaks English. We need more of this, well done to the owner for standing up to the backward bogger from the Gaeltacht.

How did you come across the story CaePae?, just out of curiosity.

Arcade_Tryer · 08-09-2016 04:05PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Sad day if we cant speak Irish in Ireland any more.

Most of us can't...

Allinall · 08-09-2016 04:06PM

CaePae wrote: »

Indeed, speaking Irish near other people is bound to cause offence and discomfort to the bystanders..

Where on earth did you get that notion from?

BoJack Horseman · 08-09-2016 04:07PM

I would find it quite novel.

I've never heard the Irish language spoken in person outside of the classroom.

Tombo2001 · 08-09-2016 04:07PM

CaePae wrote: »

Indeed, speaking Irish near other people is bound to cause offence and discomfort to the bystanders. Its a place of business, they cant afford to have staff pissing off customers by using dead languages amongst themselves. Its perfectly reasonable to insist that everyone only speaks English. We need more of this, well done to the owner for standing up to the backward bogger from the Gaeltacht.

Is bound to?

It might cause offence to you......don't speak for everyone else.

If I was in a bar and heard the staff speaking Irish I'd be delighted. And if I heard management censor them for it, I'd be appalled.

Laika123 · 08-09-2016 04:08PM

Actually had a quick look at your post history CaePea, I noticed a few posts bashing the Irish language, bit of an agenda going?, stick to your queens english up there.

valoren · 08-09-2016 04:09PM

What kind of arse hole complains about something like that?
Why would it bother you?
Did they think they were mocking them as gaeilge?

CaePae · 08-09-2016 04:09PM

Laika123 wrote: »

How did you come across the story CaePae?, just out of curiosity.

Friend shared it on Facebook. Allways nice the see that entitled shower of leaches get a kick now and again.

Wigglepuppy · 08-09-2016 04:09PM

CaePae wrote: »

Indeed, speaking Irish near other people is bound to cause offence and discomfort to the bystanders.

No it isn't. Unless they're actually that pitifully weak and sensitive. Anyhoo, likely he got fired for more, and is pretending it was just for speaking Irish (which he should of course not do when speaking directly to customers but no harm if speaking just to his work buddy).

Its a place of business, they cant afford to have staff pissing off customers by using dead languages amongst themselves. Its perfectly reasonable to insist that everyone only speaks English. We need more of this, well done to the owner for standing up to the backward bogger from the Gaeltacht.

Ah... I get the gist now.

sheep? · 08-09-2016 04:10PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

An idea the Irish language fanatics find difficult to fathom no doubt. That not everyone (both inside and outside) of Ireland is as infatuated with the Irish language as they are. And don't like to force our fetishes on others either.

CaePae wrote: »

Indeed, speaking Irish near other people is bound to cause offence and discomfort to the bystanders. Its a place of business, they cant afford to have staff pissing off customers by using dead languages amongst themselves. Its perfectly reasonable to insist that everyone only speaks English. We need more of this, well done to the owner for standing up to the backward bogger from the Gaeltacht.

****ing hell, what is wrong with the world.

I can't speak Irish but my sensibilities aren't delicate enough to be offended by two people conversing in a language I can't understand.

razorblunt · 08-09-2016 04:10PM

I'm surprised by The Flying Enterprise if this turns out to be true. I'd like to think there's more to the story.

Gaeltacht man leaves job after being told not to speak Irish

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