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Gaeltacht man leaves job after being told not to speak Irish

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    CaePae wrote: »
    I cant post links. Its the top story on tuairisc.ie

    Your irish must be better than mine, don't have a scooby doo what it says.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Peregrine wrote: »
    Any reliable reports or this all hearsay?

    Ahh Hearsay. . The official language of Boards.ie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Beware, the Irish language lunatics are coming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,548 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    seamus wrote: »
    Having a small enclave of employees speaking a different language can create division and paranoia amongst the rest of the employees. Nothing worse than hearing two people talking in a different language followed by stifled laughs, grins and glances.
    Indeed, this is probably the case, I suspect, and it would have been exactly the same if they were speaking Polish, Lithuanian or Russian to each other instead of Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    its this little place called Ireland, next to the UK.

    According to the 2011 Republic of Ireland census 77,185 people speak the Irish language daily in the Republic of Ireland outside the education system including 23,175 people who speak it every day in the Gaeltacht outside the education system.

    47.2% of people in the County where im from speak it outside the education system everyday.

    I call shenanigans on those numbers.. in much the same way as we're still a "Catholic" country according to the numbers.

    But this has all been done before on many threads and there's no point in trying to convince Irish obsessives of the realities.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    OP I don't for a second believe someone was fired for speaking Irish in Kerry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Mr. FoggPatches


    Which is more indecipherable, the kerry accent or the irish language?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Beware, the Irish language lunatics are coming.

    If you're just going to be abusive then you can leave the thread, Acrade_Tryer.

    Mod


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    I was born in Ireland and didnt speak English until i was 7. same as everyone in my community. Irish is our native language. English is the most commonly spoken language. Irish is also our official language.
    Laika123 wrote: »
    No not native, do you understand the meaning of native?.

    What's the native language of native Americans?, english too?
    France has one official language - French.
    Ireland has two official languages - Irish and English.
    Some countries have even more than 2 official languages - mind blowing, eh?
    dudara wrote: »
    Irish is our native language and English is the default language. We have two official languages and all citizens are entitled to speak both. So it strikes me that this is a very odd story. Strikes me that there's a whole lot more going on there. Tourists would surely love to hear some Irish
    I'll explain it simply for you all.

    native
    adjective
    1.
    associated with the place or circumstances of a person's birth.


    English has been the MOST commonly spoken language in Ireland for the last few generations, dating back to the mid 19th century. Therefore, English is the native language of the country since that time, and absolutely so since the turn of the 20th century.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    Here's the story,


    ‘This is an English-speaking business’ – oibrí beáir éirithe as a phost i gCorcaigh tar éis rabhadh a fháil gan Gaeilge a labhairt.


    It's in Irish though.

    http://tuairisc.ie/this-is-an-english-speaking-business-oibri-beair-eirithe-as-a-phost-i-gcorcaigh-tar-eis-rabhadh-a-fhail-gan-gaeilge-a-labhairt/


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 84 ✭✭CaePae


    jaykay74 wrote: »
    Your irish must be better than mine, don't have a scooby doo what it says.

    Google Translate: (Its not the best, I know)
    News emerged on An Saol Ó Dheas on RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta today, there was disagreement between Cormac Ó Bric, from Dingle, and the owners of the pub the Flying Enterprise because the young man liked to use his native language when working.

    In a letter sent by the owner of The Flying Enterprise, Finbarr O'Shea to O'Bric on 11 August, was notified that he was receipt his P45

    It said Ó Bric were warned on 5 August that the Pub was an 'English-speaking business' and that he was not allowed to speak Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭livedadream


    Successful pub worker in a prestigious Cork city bar resigned after warning him not to speak Irish while on duty.

    news emerged on the Southern World on RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta today, there was disagreement between Cormac Ó Bric, from Dingle, and the owners of the pub the Flying Enterprise because the young man liked to speak his native language while working.

    In a letter sent by the owner of The Flying Enterprise, Finbarr O'Shea to O'Bric on 11 August, he was notified of the bars policy and issued a P45 receipt for not returning to work after unsuccessful talk between himself and the manager about the Irish issue.

    It said Ó Bric was warned on 5 August that the pub was an 'English-speaking business' and he not allowed to speak Irish. When notified the young Gaeltacht man said he would no be longer allowed to speak Irish on duty, he refused to start his shiftturn behind the bar and left the workplace.

    "I didnt understood it and still do not understand it. I could not go to work in the place again, "said Ó Bric RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta.

    Ó Bric said that there were complaints from customers who felt "uncomfortable" because Irish was being spoken in thebar. Bric was speaking his native language to talk with other young West Kerry staff member who was working in The Flying Enterprise and two or three other members of staff were Irish.

    He also would like to speak to any customers who had the language.

    Speaking to Life in the South today, he said that it is difficult to imagine that customers were complaining about the Irish. He said that customers often said that it was "pleasant" to hear in the bar.

    The letter by Finbarr O'Shea indicated to O'Bric that the team were 'multinational' int he bar and restaurant in Cork city and if given permission for all staff to speak their 'mother tongue' "the business could not function".

    Finbarr O'Shea, the owner of The Flying Enterprise, said to Helen Simpson from The Southern Life today that people were to speak the "same language" at work in the same way that they had the "some clothes" to wear.

    the "language policy" applied in his pub "Because it is a business of Hospitality".

    When it was pointed out to him that it is the national language of Ireland, O'Shea said "we're members of Europe also".

    for anyone that isnt a native.
    _Kaiser_ wrote:
    But this has all been done before on many threads and there's no point in trying to convince Irish obsessives of the realities.

    im not an irish obsessive I do speak Irish everyday because of where i was born, and the stats are from the census in 2011. they have actually increased since then


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    I'll explain it simply for you all.

    native
    adjective
    1.
    associated with the place or circumstances of a person's birth.


    English has been the MOST commonly spoken language in Ireland for the last few generations, dating back to the mid 19th century. Therefore, English is the native language of the country since that time, and absolutely so since the turn of the 20th century.

    Ohh Lord, the mind boggles, common and native are not the same.

    It may be your native language, but not the native language of Ireland, there's a hint in the name......Irish.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 84 ✭✭CaePae


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    OP I don't for a second believe someone was fired for speaking Irish in Kerry.


    No probs, It was in Cork. :D


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    CaePae wrote: »
    I cant post links. Its the top story on tuairisc.ie

    Is it just me or is there a certain irony that the only link the OP can provide to his story is in Irish and he's using it to bash Irish?

    http://tuairisc.ie/this-is-an-english-speaking-business-oibri-beair-eirithe-as-a-phost-i-gcorcaigh-tar-eis-rabhadh-a-fhail-gan-gaeilge-a-labhairt/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    seamus wrote: »
    Freedom of expression applies to how the state treats you, not how your employer treats you.

    Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right which the state guarantees in its laws to protect and vindicate. You do not lose it when you enter your place of work.
    seamus wrote: »
    If you write a blog all about what a prick your employer is, you better believe you can be fired and your "freedom of expression" is irrelevant.

    That's debatable. But be that as it may, if the OP's description of the situation is accurate even if the employee had been singing his employer's praises as Gaeilge, the employer would have felt justified in firing him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Laika123 wrote: »
    Ohh Lord, the mind boggles, common and native are not the same.
    By that logic, whatever language the cavemen were speaking is your native language. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I call shenanigans on those numbers.. in much the same way as we're still a "Catholic" country according to the numbers.

    But this has all been done before on many threads and there's no point in trying to convince Irish obsessives of the realities.

    Yep, those numbers are bullsh*t Census numbers.

    In the same way you're a Catholic even if you don't believe in God or go to mass, you're a gaelgoir if the extent of your Irish is saying "conas ata tu?" to your neighbour every morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    So he didn't bother his Arse going back to work after the conversation, and was surprised he got his p45? Jesus wept.

    He should have been sacked for the surname alone. I'm just surprised he didn't also have an Óg tacked on to the end of it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Stheno wrote: »
    Is it just me or is there a certain irony that the only link the OP can provide to his story is in Irish and he's using it to bash Irish?

    http://tuairisc.ie/this-is-an-english-speaking-business-oibri-beair-eirithe-as-a-phost-i-gcorcaigh-tar-eis-rabhadh-a-fhail-gan-gaeilge-a-labhairt/

    Irish language site posts story about young Irish speaker fired for speaking Irish.

    I personally think there's more to the story myself but as posted, the employee was advised of company policy on the matter, ignored that, and was ultimately fired.

    Don't see an issue.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Irish language site posts story about young Irish speaker fired for speaking Irish.

    I personally think there's more to the story myself but as posted, the employee was advised of company policy on the matter, ignored that, and was ultimately fired.

    Don't see an issue.

    He also refused to work his shift after being informed of the policy.

    Changes slightly to "Worker who refuses to work loses job"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I let Google try an automated translation, and it's saying that the person resigned or didn't show up to work, after being asked not to speak Irish behind the bar. Not fired. The translation is sketchy, though, it needs someone fluent to translate properly.
    'This is the Béarla-speaking business' - bar worker resigned his post in Cork has warned not to speak
    ...
    It said Ó Bric were warned on 5 August that 'Béarla-speaking business' was in the pub and not allowed to speak Irish. When notified the Gaeltacht young man he would not longer allowed to speak and is on duty, he refused to start their turn behind the bear and left the workplace.

    "Not understood it and still do not understand it. I could not go to work in the place again, "said Ó Bric RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭livedadream


    eeguy wrote: »
    Yep, those numbers are bullsh*t Census numbers.

    In the same way you're a Catholic even if you don't believe in God or go to mass, you're a gaelgoir if the extent of your Irish is saying "conas ata tu?" to your neighbour every morning.

    to jog your memory the census says:

    Can you speak Irish?
    Answer if aged 3 years or over
    1 Yes
    2 No

    If ‘Yes’, do you speak Irish?
    Mark the boxes that apply
    1 Daily, within the education system
    2 Daily, outside the education system
    3 Weekly
    4 Less often
    5 Never

    speaking it outside the education daily is what the figures are taken from.

    i dont get why people have such a chip on their shoulder about this, i was brought up speaking irish and speak it every day, outside of the education system ie to my mom and dad sister brother, some friends.
    why do you care about other people speaking a language or not? why do the stats have to be bull****? why cant it just be something you didnt experience because you grew up somewhere they didnt speak it everyday?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Anoyonre else feels that this thread needs a poll to show how many posters could actually read the article without running it through google translate first?

    Personally, I'd really love to know :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭livedadream


    bnt wrote: »
    I let Google try an automated translation, and it's saying that the person resigned or didn't show up to work, after being asked not to speak Irish behind the bar. Not fired. The translation is sketchy, though, it needs someone fluent to translate properly.


    refused to start his shift because he was told not to speak irish, was sent a letter with his P45.

    i actually know his family im from the same area, its not a big deal like.

    speak the language your told to, if the owner treats the non native english speaks all the same i dont have a problem with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    By that logic, whatever language the cavemen were speaking is your native language. :rolleyes:

    What language was that?, quit while your behind.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Title updated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    I was born in Ireland and didnt speak English until i was 7. same as everyone in my community. Irish is our native language. English is the most commonly spoken language. Irish is also our official language.

    100% of people living in my apartment are me but I wouldn't try to generalise that fact to the whole country since I realise my apartment isn't representative of the country.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    So he refused to work because he couldn't speak Irish?

    See my earlier post about not hearing the full story.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭BnB


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