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Gaeltacht man leaves job after being told not to speak Irish

  • 08-09-2016 03:06PM
    #1
    CaePae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 84 ✭✭CaePae


    The The Flying Enterprise bar in Cork City gave a young man from the Gaeltacht his P45 as a result of speaking in Irish while at work. The young man, Cormac Ó Bric from west Kerry had been working in the bar for a number of months. He regularly spoke Irish to another Kerry Gaeltacht native who worked in the bar and with other staff members who also spoke Irish as well as to customers who wished to use Irish from time to time.

    The managment of the bar took exception to this and informed Cormac that the bar was an "English-speaking business" and that the use of Irish was not permitted. The owner of the business insisted in the opporation of a language code "because it is a hospitality business". The owner claims that a number of complaints had been received from customers who were "unconfortable" due to the use of Irish by staff.

    The young man refused to accept the ban on speaking Irish and was fired as a result.



    Personally: I think its about time people start cracking down on the use of Irish in public. That might teach the Irish Languag Taliban that their nonsence wont be tolorated any more. Imagine how awful it must be for tourists to come to an Irish city and hear people speaking Irish in places of business. It should not be left to a few couragous business owners to stand up to this disgraceful behaviour, speaking Irish at work should be banned outright, especially in the hospitality indurstry.

    Mod:
    http://tuairisc.ie/this-is-an-english-speaking-business-oibri-beair-eirithe-as-a-phost-i-gcorcaigh-tar-eis-rabhadh-a-fhail-gan-gaeilge-a-labhairt/

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  • #2
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Young man fired for not following company policy.


  • #3
    my3cents
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    CaePae wrote: »
    ... speaking Irish at work should be banned outright, especially in the hospitality indurstry.

    the preferred language is Polish :P


  • #4
    Adventagious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Adventagious


    CaePae wrote: »
    Personally: I think its about time people start cracking down on the use of Irish in public. That might teach the Irish Languag Taliban that their nonsence wont be tolorated any more. Imagine how awful it must be for tourists to come to an Irish city and hear people speaking Irish in places of business. It should not be left to a few couragous business owners to stand up to this disgraceful behaviour, speaking Irish at work should be banned outright, especially in the hospitality indurstry.

    I can't tell if this is sarcasm or trolling or honesty...someone help me out here.


  • #5
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Why do I get the feeling that we're not hearing the full story

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  • #6
    silverharp
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    I'd have thought the average tourist would find it cool to hear people speaking Irish if they recognised it

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  • #7
    gizmo555
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    osarusan wrote: »
    Young man fired for not following company policy.

    Company policy doesn't trump employment law or our constitutional right to freedom of expression.


  • #8
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Never like to see people being fired for trivial things like that, but at the same time I'm glad to see Irish is losing its holy grail status.

    Next step is to stop it being obligatory to be spoken in schools.


  • #9
    Laika123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    CaePae wrote: »

    Imagine how awful it must be for tourists to come to an Irish city and hear people speaking Irish in places of business. .


    I know, disgraceful, I was in France and the knobhead behind the bar was speaking French, idiot.


  • #10
    livedadream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭livedadream


    CaePae wrote: »
    The The Flying Enterprise bar in Cork City gave a young man from the Gaeltacht his P45 as a result of speaking in Irish while at work. The young man, Cormac Ó Bric from west Kerry had been working in the bar for a number of months. He regularly spoke Irish to another Kerry Gaeltacht native who worked in the bar and with other staff members who also spoke Irish as well as to customers who wished to use Irish from time to time.

    The managment of the bar took exception to this and informed Cormac that the bar was an "English-speaking business" and that the use of Irish was not permitted. The owner of the business insisted in the opporation of a language code "because it is a hospitality business". The owner claims that a number of complaints had been received from customers who were "unconfortable" due to the use of Irish by staff.

    The young man refused to accept the ban on speaking Irish and was fired as a result.



    Personally: I think its about time people start cracking down on the use of Irish in public. That might teach the Irish Languag Taliban that their nonsence wont be tolorated any more. Imagine how awful it must be for tourists to come to an Irish city and hear people speaking Irish in places of business. It should not be left to a few couragous business owners to stand up to this disgraceful behaviour, speaking Irish at work should be banned outright, especially in the hospitality indurstry.

    any link mate?


  • #11
    MeatTwoVeg
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    CaePae wrote:
    The young man refused to accept the ban on speaking Irish and was fired as a result.


    Good.


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  • #12
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Laika123 wrote: »
    I know, disgraceful, I was in France and the knobhead behind the bar was speaking French, idiot.
    French is the native and most commonly spoken language in France. English is the native and most commonly spoken language in Ireland.


  • #13
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    this is a great example of why recent regs should not be allowed start threads


  • #14
    Laika123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    French is the native and most commonly spoken language in France. English is the native and most commonly spoken language in Ireland.

    Native?, more common but not native, logic.


  • #15
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Laika123 wrote: »
    Native?, more common but not native, logic.
    Yes, native. English has been the most commonly spoken language in Ireland for almost 200 years. I think we can safely affirm that it is the native language of the country. Logic.


  • #16
    CaePae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 84 ✭✭CaePae


    Laika123 wrote: »
    I know, disgraceful, I was in France and the knobhead behind the bar was speaking French, idiot.

    France is a French Speaking country. Speaking French is perfectly normal. Ireland is not an Irish speaking country and it is far from normal for anyone to speak it.
    I think its fair enough to fire someone for forcing their ridiculous dead language on potential customers. The guy was damaging the business, its perfectly reasonable for the owner to protect himself by getting rid of the Irish language fanatic.


  • #17
    livedadream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭livedadream


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Yes, native. English has been the most commonly spoken language in Ireland for almost 200 years. I think we can safely affirm that it is the native language of the country. Logic.

    I was born in Ireland and didnt speak English until i was 7. same as everyone in my community. Irish is our native language. English is the most commonly spoken language. Irish is also our official language.


  • #18
    Laika123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Yes, native. English has been the most commonly spoken language in Ireland for almost 200 years. I think we can safely affirm that it is the native language of the country. Logic.

    No not native, do you understand the meaning of native?.

    What's the native language of native Americans?, english too?


  • #19
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Sounds a bit harsh and I'd say there's more to the story but that said, it's a hospitality business and if the owner did receive complaints from customers he's within his rights to fire the employee - especially as he ignored the warning he was given previously.


  • #20
    Laika123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭Laika123


    CaePae wrote: »
    France is a French Speaking country. Speaking French is perfectly normal. Ireland is not an Irish speaking country and it is far from normal for anyone to speak it.
    I think its fair enough to fire someone for forcing their ridiculous dead language on potential customers. The guy was damaging the business, its perfectly reasonable for the owner to protect himself by getting rid of the Irish language fanatic.

    Are you for real?, damaging the business? cop on.


  • #21
    jaykay74
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    CaePae wrote: »
    story

    Have you a link for the story ? Google doesn't show me anything much for "Flying Enterprise bar Cork City pub irish".


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  • #22
    corner of hells
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    CaePae wrote: »
    France is a French Speaking country. Speaking French is perfectly normal. Ireland is not an Irish speaking country and it is far from normal for anyone to speak it.
    I think its fair enough to fire someone for forcing their ridiculous dead language on potential customers. The guy was damaging the business, its perfectly reasonable for the owner to protect himself by getting rid of the Irish language fanatic.

    In Canada, they speak Canadian... no they speak Fre...oh wait it's Engli.....stupid Canadians .


  • #23
    _Kaiser_
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    livedadream wrote: »
    I was born in Ireland and didnt speak English until i was 7. same as everyone in my community. Irish is our native language. English is the most commonly spoken language. Irish is also our official language.

    Not sure where you grew up but you were in a minority.

    Semantics aside, English is the native default language of this country.


  • #24
    keeponhurling
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    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    French is the native and most commonly spoken language in France. English is the native and most commonly spoken language in Ireland.

    France has one official language - French.
    Ireland has two official languages - Irish and English.
    Some countries have even more than 2 official languages - mind blowing, eh?


  • #25
    bnt
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    GLaDOS wrote: »
    Why do I get the feeling that we're not hearing the full story
    Yup. No link, I noticed. This appears on a level with some of the stuff coming out of the USA Election campaigns. "Trump calls for deportation of James Corden and John Oliver" / "Obama wants women to wear headscarves in the White House" / and so on.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

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  • #26
    dudara
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    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    French is the native and most commonly spoken language in France. English is the native and most commonly spoken language in Ireland.

    Irish is our native language and English is the default language. We have two official languages and all citizens are entitled to speak both. So it strikes me that this is a very odd story. Strikes me that there's a whole lot more going on there. Tourists would surely love to hear some Irish


  • #27
    CaePae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 84 ✭✭CaePae


    jaykay74 wrote: »
    Have you a link for the story ? Google doesn't show me anything much for "Flying Enterprise bar Cork City pub irish".

    I cant post links. Its the top story on tuairisc.ie


  • #28
    Shenshen
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    livedadream wrote: »
    I was born in Ireland and didnt speak English until i was 7. same as everyone in my community. Irish is our native language. English is the most commonly spoken language. Irish is also our official language.

    There are areas in Germany where Sorbian or Frisian is the language children would grow up with.
    Are you going to argue that German is therefore not the native language of Germany?


  • #29
    livedadream
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Not sure where you grew up but you were in a minority.

    Semantics aside, English is the native default language of this country.

    its this little place called Ireland, next to the UK.

    According to the 2011 Republic of Ireland census 77,185 people speak the Irish language daily in the Republic of Ireland outside the education system including 23,175 people who speak it every day in the Gaeltacht outside the education system.

    47.2% of people in the County where im from speak it outside the education system everyday.


  • #30
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Any reliable reports or this all hearsay?


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  • #31
    seamus
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    gizmo555 wrote: »
    Company policy doesn't trump employment law or our constitutional right to freedom of expression.
    Freedom of expression applies to how the state treats you, not how your employer treats you.

    If you write a blog all about what a prick your employer is, you better believe you can be fired and your "freedom of expression" is irrelevant.

    Anyway, as said we're likely not getting the full story here. It is perfectly legal for an employer to state that a particular language must be spoken by employees in work, during working hours.

    In fact, it's relatively common in many environments. Having a small enclave of employees speaking a different language can create division and paranoia amongst the rest of the employees. Nothing worse than hearing two people talking in a different language followed by stifled laughs, grins and glances.

    Insisting on a single language during working hours makes for a friendler and more inclusive working environment. Speaking another language in the presence of colleagues whom you know don't understand it is the height of ignorance.


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