Another Charlie Hebdo thread - satire in mocking earthquake victims??

Koptain Liverpool · 03-09-2016 10:41AM #1

I'm not a fan of Charlie Hebdo. I'm in favour of free speech and all but reckon that this brings with it responsibility to have a bit of cop on.

While many of there covers such as the refugee child, Mohammad Ali coffin playing football etc made me shudder I at least saw what they were trying to satirize.

But I don't see any satire in this latest one at all (not sure how to insert image).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37260217

Just seems that to be the work of a bunch of cnuts.

Can anyone explain the satire in this to me?

gillad · 03-09-2016 10:57AM

My first thought was "its more about making money and headlines than free speech"...but will this make them more money?...
Charlie Hebdo is having a public mental breakdown

Koptain Liverpool · 03-09-2016 11:02AM

Not about making money I don't think ( although I remember thinking it quite expensive when i saw it at a newsstand in Paris €6 I think??)

The_Valeyard · 03-09-2016 11:05AM

It's about getting attention. Seems to be working.

Arcade_Tryer · 03-09-2016 11:12AM

Koptain Liverpool wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Charlie Hebdo. I'm in favour of free speech and all but reckon that this brings with it responsibility to have a bit of cop on.

You're really not.

While many of there covers such as the refugee child, Mohammad Ali coffin playing football etc made me shudder I at least saw what they were trying to satirize.

But I don't see any satire in this latest one at all (not sure how to insert image).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37260217

Just seems that to be the work of a bunch of cnuts.

Can anyone explain the satire in this to me?

Lots of people fail to see the satire in lots of satirical publications. I don't see any satire here either. That doesn't mean it is not there. Nor is it mandatory for it to be there. We're all a bunch of c**ts. Some of us are just better at admitting it than others! I thought the lasagne image was slightly amusing. That doesn't mean I still don't have sympathy for all of those who suffered.

The most important thing is that they are allowed to produce work like this. Just like that was the most important thing a year or two ago when their colleagues were murdered. Nobody ever said they had to be spot on with their satire or sensitive to people's tastes or responsible for their productions. Except people who not understand nor believe in any form of freedom of speech.

The Backwards Man · 03-09-2016 11:15AM

I wouldn't be the biggest fan of unrestricted free speech in the world, but if it's a vehicle to allow us see exactly who someone is and what their values are, let them at it.

Koptain Liverpool · 03-09-2016 11:17AM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

You're really not - Oh but I am

The most important thing is that they are allowed to produce work like this - agreed, just as I am allowed to comment on my distaste for their work

You sound like your opposed to free speech yourself

Arcade_Tryer · 03-09-2016 11:22AM

Koptain Liverpool wrote: »

You sound like your opposed to free speech yourself

You're not opposed to it maybe. But it's clear you don't understand it.

I didn't accuse you of not supporting free speech due to your criticism of Charlie Hebdo. I accused you of it due to your below statement.

I'm in favour of free speech and all but reckon that this brings with it responsibility to have a bit of cop on.

Which is nonsense.

Bonzo Delaney · 03-09-2016 12:09PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

You're not opposed to it maybe. But it's clear you don't understand it.

I didn't accuse you of not supporting free speech due to your criticism of Charlie Hebdo. I accused you of it due to your below statement.
Which is nonsense.

There's s fine line between free speech and been an out and out cünt

Winterlong · 03-09-2016 12:13PM

Pure attention seeking money making arseholery.
Nothing more and nothing less.

jacksie66 · 03-09-2016 12:16PM

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Phoebas · 03-09-2016 12:24PM

Early days yet, but going by previous threads on this topic, it'll soon be full of people trying to silence critics of Charlie Hebdo by accusing them of being anti free speech.

It'll also have a smattering of people who don't think some of what Charlie Hebdo put out is satire being dismissed as being incapable of understanding satire.

Mr. FoggPatches · 03-09-2016 12:33PM

Je ne suis pas Charlie?

03-09-2016 12:36PM

Even Charlie Hebdo was a tad conditional in the past it seems when it comes to defining what is and isn't free speech.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html

Arcade_Tryer · 03-09-2016 12:44PM

Bonzo Delaney wrote: »

There's s fine line between free speech and been an out and out cünt

Ok. But if you think you, I, or anybody else gets to decide where that line is, you quite obviously do not have a clue about freedom of speech.

Winterlong wrote: »

Pure attention seeking money making arseholery.
Nothing more and nothing less.

In your opinion. Which matters to some. And not to others.

Winterlong · 03-09-2016 12:53PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

In your opinion. Which matters to some. And not to others.

Yeah, that is kinda the point of discussion forums. To express your opinion.

Muff_Daddy · 03-09-2016 12:58PM

So this publication is 'lampooning' a tragic earthquake by saying oh pasta and pizza comes from Italy, let's show some people covered in pasta and pizza after the destruction of a natural disaster which left over 200 dead, that also just happened to be in Italy.

Forgive me for missing the satire, or any hidden messages but this just seems like pure out and out nastiness for the sake of it.

I'm not critising free speech, just Charlie Hebdo.

Arcade_Tryer · 03-09-2016 01:02PM

Winterlong wrote: »

Yeah, that is kinda the point of discussion forums. To express your opinion.

Then the poster should probably include that kind of important part, don't you think? Rather than making absolute statements.

My post was emphasizing the importance of people's own point of views in relation to things like this.

Wibbs · 03-09-2016 01:04PM

Winterlong wrote: »

Yeah, that is kinda the point of discussion forums. To express your opinion.

Ah here WL, don't be daft like. Though more and more the interwebs is going the way of echo chambers. This can throw newbies in a place like Boards where their opinions may not be treated so preciously. That's a general observation BTW, rather than being about this thread in particular. *shoots self for off topic post*

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

I'm not critising free speech, just Charlie Hebdo.

As far as I'm concerned they should be allowed print what the hell they like and the audience be allowed praise or berate them however the hell they like. So long as it is non violently. In other news stupid cartoon is stupid.

Winterlong · 03-09-2016 01:04PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Then the poster should probably include that kind of important part, don't you think? Rather than making absolute statements.

What? You want everyone who posts on internet forums to state whether what they are writing is fact or is an opinion?
Regardless that it is blatantly obvious that it is an opinion?
Yeah, ok.

Arcade_Tryer · 03-09-2016 01:06PM

Winterlong wrote: »

What? You want everyone who posts on internet forums to state whether what they are writing is fact or is an opinion?
Regardless that it is blatantly obvious that it is an opinion?
Yeah, ok.

No. But it's an important distinction to make in a thread like this was my point.

Koptain Liverpool · 03-09-2016 01:09PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Then the poster should probably include that kind of important part, don't you think? Rather than making absolute statements.

My post was emphasizing the importance of people's own point of views in relation to things like this.

Ah give it a break would you :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Arcade_Tryer · 03-09-2016 01:15PM

Koptain Liverpool wrote: »

Ah give it a break would you :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Maybe you should stick to the soccer forum? These topics seem to sail over your ahead. At least try to add something constructive.

maudgonner · 03-09-2016 01:23PM

For a magazine that claims to be satirical, I don't think they really know what satire is.

satire
ˈsatʌɪə/
noun
noun: satire
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

How is this exposing the stupidity or vices of the Italians? I must be missing it. Satire is meant to have a point, meant to tell a truth, and I don't see the point in this cartoon. I don't think it's satire, I think it's a bad visual pun and it's just mean.

Bonzo Delaney · 03-09-2016 01:28PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Ok. But if you think you, I, or anybody else gets to decide where that line is, you quite obviously do not have a clue about freedom of speech.

True but it's all subjective like the fine line between bravery and stupidity
If it has a happy ending its bravery if it's tragic - stupidity

Is free speech been used as a licence to insult community's of race and beliefs and as soon as someone says "ah here that's a bit much" they claim Jesuis Charlie well feck off Charlie you've burned your bridges there

Arcade_Tryer · 03-09-2016 01:29PM

maudgonner wrote: »

For a magazine that claims to be satirical, I don't think they really know what satire is.

How is this exposing the stupidity or vices of the Italians? I must be missing it. Satire is meant to have a point, meant to tell a truth, and I don't see the point in this cartoon. I don't think it's satire, I think it's a bad visual pun and it's just mean.

Maybe it's just bad satire?

YFlyer · 03-09-2016 01:29PM

Do they have any satire on the holocaust?

Noveight · 03-09-2016 01:29PM

Their reputation for being divisive is what got them international recognition in the first place after the shootings last year and it seems like they are trying to keep riding the wave that caused. Referencing the earthquake victims like that is utterly crass however.

maudgonner · 03-09-2016 01:32PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Maybe it's just bad satire?

What is it satirising though? Even to be bad satire you must be satirising something? What point are they making? What insightful commentary is contained in the cartoon?

I may be missing it, but to me calling that satire is an insult to actual satirists, who can be brilliant and very valuable.

Koptain Liverpool · 03-09-2016 01:33PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Maybe you should stick to the soccer forum? These topics seem to sail over your ahead. At least try to add something constructive.

Go and fukc yourself - twat.

My opinion is clearly stated. I believe in free speech. I understand satire. I fail to see the satire in the publication I refer to.

What have you added? - no opinions on the publication? Or do you just hang out here trying to feel clever by spewing nonsense.

Pac1Man · 03-09-2016 01:39PM

Are we allowed to speculate or is that not allowed here either???

Another Charlie Hebdo thread - satire in mocking earthquake victims??

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