19 Irish travellers arrested in major FBI operation

Mint Aero · 01-09-2016 04:53AM #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/19-irish-travellers-charged-with-federal-racketeering-in-us-1.2774081

Wow can't believe it. I was always told they were hard working honest people who made millions from travelling the world selling tarmac driveways, cleaning gutters and trading valuable scrap metal they find on scouting exhibitions in the wilderness...

Funny no mention of this on RTE :rolleyes: One thing I don't get is if you're being charged with racketeering, fraud, money laundering, scamming, theft etc how and why would they accept the 25k bail as a legit transaction

it's a bit like saying I know you stole that kids lunch money but if you give me the money you stole I'll give you a ham sammage.

Mod Edit: Everyone in here knows which posts are going beyond the line. Merely saying at the start that you know it will get you banned/carded/defenestrated isn't a defence. If this thread keeps spiralling into sterilisation and the likes, it will be closed. Let's aim to keep it within an ass's roar of civility, emotive topic or not, please.

Overheal · 01-09-2016 05:42AM

Funny, I drive to Aiken quite often and had never heard of or seen Murphy's Village on a map. It's a colloquialism for the area these folks reside.

http://ducknotes.blogspot.com/2008/09/murphys-village.html

Aiken's a kind of strange place anyway, full of "old money" type people. Quaint place though. The Wilcox does a great brunch.

SEPT 23 1989 · 01-09-2016 05:49AM

One flick of a pen and CAB /Revenue could sweep through Rathkeale and seize everything

To redeem the property

Proof of purchase
Bank statements
income tax returns

Odd that the state is unable/unwilling to do this to one section of society

ClovenHoof · 01-09-2016 05:58AM

This will get red carded and me banned but I do not care.

Mod: <snip>

01-09-2016 06:11AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

One flick of a pen and CAB /Revenue could sweep through Rathkeale and seize everything

To redeem the property

Proof of purchase
Bank statements
income tax returns

Odd that the state is unable/unwilling to do this to one section of society

It could also confiscate most things in everybody's home if "proof of purchase" is the requirement for it to be returned.

01-09-2016 06:13AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Funny no mention of this on RTE :rolleyes:

About 19 people were hauled up for social welfare fraud in the town I live near last year. None travellers. But no mention of it in RTE either.

It's probably a conspiracy that sees 13 billion euro tax issues and the war in Syria top of the pile, instead of covering the big stuff like your food stamps thing in some place in the States.

The J Stands for Jay · 01-09-2016 06:16AM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

<snip>

Is this the big plan to end your current dry spell?

01-09-2016 06:21AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

One flick of a pen and CAB /Revenue could sweep through Rathkeale and seize everything

To redeem the property

Proof of purchase
Bank statements
income tax returns

Odd that the state is unable/unwilling to do this to one section of society

If you claim it's odd that they haven't swept through Rathkeale and seized everything...could you advise what other towns or areas or localities or communities were subjected to this treatment?

In millions or billions, how much compo and legal costs would we as a people end up paying for this sort of nonsense?

Ilovemybricks · 01-09-2016 06:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you claim it's odd that they haven't swept through Rathkeale and seized everything...could you advise what other towns or areas or localities or communities were subjected to this treatment?

In millions or billions, how much compo and legal costs would we as a people end up paying for this sort of nonsense?

How do they earn their loot, sorry, I mean money? You telling me that everything is above board in that town?

01-09-2016 06:58AM

Ilovemybricks wrote: »

How do they earn their loot, sorry, I mean money? You telling me that everything is above board in that town?

No no.

In fact I could say the opposite, there is no town in which "everything is above board".

But that does not mean the State can sweep through an area and seize everything on the basis of who the locals are.

ejabrod · 01-09-2016 07:11AM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

This will... <snip>

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I may get banned for this also, however it is my opinion that travellers should be subject to the same laws as the rest of society (as they are not). If they do not pay tax, anything they own is gotten by illegal means. Sure they have my taxes paying for some of their lifestyle but what about the 161/162 cars they drive? Without taxable income, how do they afford such cars? - through illegal means.

If a traveller has a relatively new car outside the state provided house, that traveller/family should not be entitled to that state provided house or my taxes (in the form of dole).

Travellers do not deserve to be treated in any way different to the rest of society regardless.

The inbreeding may actually be a good thing for the rest of us

Sterilization may also be an option

01-09-2016 07:18AM

ejabrod wrote: »

The inbreeding may actually be a good thing for the rest of us

Sterilization may also be an option

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, the old edgy sterilisation line.

munster87 · 01-09-2016 07:21AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, the old edgy sterilisation line.

Ouch, don't like the sound of edgy sterilisation

Flint Fredstone · 01-09-2016 07:24AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No no.

In fact I could say the opposite, there is no town in which "everything is above board".

But that does not mean the State can sweep through an area and seize everything on the basis of who the locals are.

There's a difference in a town where there's one or two dodgy characters with flash cars with no discernible income and Rathkeale but I'm sure you already know this.

ejabrod · 01-09-2016 07:28AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, the old edgy sterilisation line.

Great reply mate.... Clearly you see nothing wrong with the behaviour of the majority travellers who preach about their rights but never mention their responsibilities.

The fact of the matter is that travellers do not contribute positively to society in any way.

gctest50 · 01-09-2016 07:39AM

Lovely :

Wealthy farmer gave almost £200,000 to 'menacing and callous' gang of travellers in three-week blackmail plot

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/14287687.Wealthy_farmer_gave_almost___200_000_to__menacing_and_callous__gang_of_travellers_in_three_week_blackmail_plot/

wexandproud · 01-09-2016 07:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you claim it's odd that they haven't swept through Rathkeale and seized everything...could you advise what other towns or areas or localities or communities were subjected to this treatment?

In millions or billions, how much compo and legal costs would we as a people end up paying for this sort of nonsense?

the self employed and small business of this country get this treatment on a regular basis , proof of purchase , bank statements , sometimes bank statements of wife and kids asked for , revenue have even gone to banks and sought information on people so they have the info before they even ask you for it and you have to be dam sure that what you tell them matches the info they have

andekwarhola · 01-09-2016 07:48AM

There's a definite - you might say urgent - need to discuss the high levels of criminality and antisocial culture amongst traveler communities and the alarming kidglove approach to same from guilty liberals, lobby groups and the state.

The debate won't be had here though when people insist on going down the usual road of intemperate calls for internment, sterilisation, OTT police response, etc.

The point is that it doesn't require bigotry: just that they be judged like any other other portion of society would be for littering, crime, school attendance, living conditions, unemployment and so on, without the application of bogus 'ethnic' and 'cultural' considerations.

up for anything · 01-09-2016 07:57AM

ejabrod wrote: »

Great reply mate.... Clearly you see nothing wrong with the behaviour of the majority travellers who preach about their rights but never mention their responsibilities.

The fact of the matter is that travellers do not contribute positively to society in any way.

Wow! That's a sweeping statement, mein Fuhrer. You could say the same about the womb to tomb JSA strata of society.

gctest50 · 01-09-2016 07:59AM

They'll hang themselves with technology :

The folks of Murphy Village rue the day they heard of Madelyne Gorman Toogood. The 25-year-old Traveler became infamous last month when she slammed her 4-year-old daughter into the back seat of an SUV in a shopping center near South Bend Ind. and hit her over and over. A surveillance camera caught it all and the footage was broadcast nationwide.

Then Toogood did the unthinkable in the eyes of her fellow Travelers She held a news conference and announced her ethnic origins.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 01-09-2016 08:07AM

Refreshing to see some law enforcement not deciding it's their culture and therefore right.

Samaris · 01-09-2016 08:13AM

Edit: Moved mod warning to first post.

Wibbs · 01-09-2016 08:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It could also confiscate most things in everybody's home if "proof of purchase" is the requirement for it to be returned.

The vast majority of people could furnish proof of purchase of the major items in their lives and if they couldn't, could explain how they own them. House, car and so forth. CAB would hardly be asking for receipts for the pint of milk in the fridge. If you have a 2015/16 car/van/4X4 and you're in receipt of social welfare something is seriously amiss and you should be investigated. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Wibbs · 01-09-2016 08:39AM

andekwarhola wrote: »

The point is that it doesn't require bigotry: just that they be judged like any other other portion of society would be for littering, crime, school attendance, living conditions, unemployment and so on, without the application of bogus 'ethnic' and 'cultural' considerations.

Ahh but there's the rub A. Doing any of that is considered "bigotry". How dare you culturally impose on them, silly person you! This is how such groups are protected by well meaning but ultimately daft right on policies and such groups are all too happy to wave that shield around too. There is clear statistical evidence that Travellers have more criminality, shorter lives, worse health, more spousal abuse etc than background levels. Quite the bit more. Do the official representatives condemn this? Almost never and when and if they do it's almost inevitably the fault of the "settled peeeeple".

Wigglepuppy · 01-09-2016 08:51AM

up for anything wrote: »

Wow! That's a sweeping statement, mein Fuhrer. You could say the same about the womb to tomb JSA strata of society.

You could say the same about a number of people, yes. It's pretty extreme to be using a Hitler comparison in relation to that poster also. It doesn't mean they endorse genocide. I personally cannot see what's incorrect about their statement but I'm open to correction via examples being offered.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 01-09-2016 08:53AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

One flick of a pen and CAB /Revenue could sweep through Rathkeale and seize everything

To redeem the property

Proof of purchase
Bank statements
income tax returns

Odd that the state is unable/unwilling to do this to one section of society

But sure that would be discribidayshun boss!

01-09-2016 09:09AM

wexandproud wrote: »

the self employed and small business of this country get this treatment on a regular basis , proof of purchase , bank statements , sometimes bank statements of wife and kids asked for , revenue have even gone to banks and sought information on people so they have the info before they even ask you for it and you have to be dam sure that what you tell them matches the info they have

On people.

Not entire towns.

On individuals. That's perfectly legitimate. Targetting a person because of geography is not.

Widdershins · 01-09-2016 09:14AM

Wibbs wrote: »

The vast majority of people could furnish proof of purchase of the major items in their lives and if they couldn't, could explain how they own them. House, car and so forth. CAB would hardly be asking for receipts for the pint of milk in the fridge. If you have a 2015/16 car/van/4X4 and you're in receipt of social welfare something is seriously amiss and you should be investigated. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Have you ever heard of car finance on child benefit?

ejabrod · 01-09-2016 09:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On people.

Not entire towns.

On individuals. That's perfectly legitimate. Targetting a person because of geography is not.

Just because they choose to infest one geographical location is not the reason for revenue investigating.

The fact that the majority of their possessions' are obtained through illegal means is the reason for investigating.

Common sense would dictate that a person/persons with no obvious means outside of welfare should not be in a position to purchase/own a house. If that person then buys a house they should be under obligation to prove where they legally obtained the finances to make the purchase.

If they are all living in one town it is irrelevant to the decision to investigate. If anything it makes it easier for revenue to investigate.

If I, as a private citizen, want to buy a house the red tape I have to go through is huge. I have to prove where I got the deposit etc. With travellers this is not the case.

If I'm under obligation to prove where I got my wealth, so should travellers, regardless of geographic location.

lazybones32 · 01-09-2016 09:20AM

If found guilty, I hope they get a prison sentence and not just kicked out of the Country.

Flint Fredstone · 01-09-2016 09:23AM

ejabrod wrote: »

Just because they choose to infest one geographical location is not the reason for revenue investigating.

The fact that the majority of their possessions' are obtained through illegal means is the reason for investigating.

Common sense would dictate that a person/persons with no obvious means outside of welfare should not be in a position to purchase/own a house. If that person then buys a house they should be under obligation to prove where they legally obtained the finances to make the purchase.

If they are all living in one town it is irrelevant to the decision to investigate. If anything it makes it easier for revenue to investigate.

If I, as a private citizen, want to buy a house the red tape I have to go through is huge. I have to prove where I got the deposit etc. With travellers this is not the case.

If I'm under obligation to prove where I got my wealth, so should travellers, regardless of geographic location.

These guys aren't putting down a deposit. Paid in full, paid in cash.

19 Irish travellers arrested in major FBI operation

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