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Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    There is a limited pool

    That's the real problem, seems to be very hard to break into that top level and all the big games have been shared between a very small select 4 or 5 referees.

    Maybe the standard isn't good enough outside those but that seems unlikley and if that is the case then serious resources need to be invested, to try and avoid the inevitble in a couple of years when we are left in a position of having no referees with big match experience. Barry Kelly is 46 and Brian Gavin is 39 and not exactly the fittest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    I think there is too much emphasis on the final referee lads - see what happens in the game first.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    I think there is too much emphasis on the final referee lads - see what happens in the game first.

    Absolutely and its putting unwarranted pressure on Gavin. There is an issue about referees in hurling in particular but it has fcuk all to do with Sunday's match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Anyone read James Woodlock going on about the referee in the Examiner?

    The sort of stuff you'd expect from keyboard warriors here on boards or over on premier view, not what I'd expect from him to be honest. I'd wonder is that view shared with players still on the panel?

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ex-tipperary-star-james-woodlock-wants-fairness-from-brian-gavin-418636.html


    Its shared by everyone in Tipp. Incredible double standards by KK folk on the subject of referees. Barry Kelly as previously stated was eviscerated by Eddie Brennan on Sunday game. Cody called some of his decisions criminal. At least be consistent. I know one or 2 of the players personally and trust me they are worried about his appointment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭pmy.murphy


    I dont think the referee will win or lose the game Sunday to be perfectly honestly. Gavin likes to let the game flow which is how the game should be played


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Its shared by everyone in Tipp. Incredible double standards by KK folk on the subject of referees. Barry Kelly as previously stated was eviscerated by Eddie Brennan on Sunday game. Cody called some of his decisions criminal. At least be consistent. I know one or 2 of the players personally and trust me they are worried about his appointment.

    Speak for yourself!

    I think its the greatest load of nonsense ever and most genuine and knowledgeable hurling people in the county I have spoken to have agreed, I would be saying the same thing if Barry Kelly had been appointed. It's the biggest non-story ever tbh. Complaining over what a ref 'might do' :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,561 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Yeah... It's not Olympic boxing... The refs aren't paid off! :pac:


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    pmy.murphy wrote: »
    I dont think the referee will win or lose the game Sunday to be perfectly honestly. Gavin likes to let the game flow which is how the game should be played

    Completely agree with this! He's as good a ref as is out there to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    danganabu wrote: »
    Speak for yourself!

    I think its the greatest load of nonsense ever and most genuine and knowledgeable hurling people in the county I have spoken to have agreed, I would be saying the same thing if Barry Kelly had been appointed. It's the biggest non-story ever tbh. Complaining over what a ref 'might do' :rolleyes:

    So James Woodlock isn't a knowledgeable hurling person in the county no?
    Or the people of Drom & Inch that he would be talking to wouldn't really be knowledgeable either no? Or maybe the 2 lads on the panel that I played underage with. Give me a break. Keep drinking the koolaid there like a good boy. There is a whole body of work that indicates what a ref might do. Maybe you still listen to games on the wireless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    So James Woodlock isn't a knowledgeable hurling person in the county no?
    Or the people of Drom & Inch that he would be talking to wouldn't really be knowledgeable either no? Or maybe the 2 lads on the panel that I played underage with.

    Who said that? Try reading what I actually said please, just to point you in the right direction, I have not spoken to James or anyone in Drom for that matter and I have no idea who you played go games with. The fact that I haven't spoken to them does not mean they are not knowledgeable but that particular article from Woodlock, if the quotes are accurate would certainly suggest he is not.

    I am always amused at the assumption that because someone was a good player they are qualified to offer insight into said sport, have you ever heard or read the ramblings of your average professional footballer?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    So James Woodlock isn't a knowledgeable hurling person in the county no?
    Or the people of Drom & Inch that he would be talking to wouldn't really be knowledgeable either no? Or maybe the 2 lads on the panel that I played underage with. Give me a break. Keep drinking the koolaid there like a good boy. There is a whole body of work that indicates what a ref might do. Maybe you still listen to games on the wireless.

    You said that this opinion is shared by EVERYONE in Tipp, he was simply pointing out that not everyone in Tipp shares that opinion. Some of them are more concerned with how Tipp will play, how they might go about winning, etc. You seem to be the only one on here who posts exclusively about the ref. You would swear he was the only one playing Sunday.

    I would love if everyone in Tipp (especially the players) was obsessed with the ref the way you are, it's such a pathetic, loser mentality, setting yourself up to have excuses for failure, getting ready to lose and knowing exactly how you are going to go about bitching about it while the opposition celebrate with the cup. Sadly I doubt they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    You said that this opinion is shared by EVERYONE in Tipp, he was simply pointing out that not everyone in Tipp shares that opinion. Some of them are more concerned with how Tipp will play, how they might go about winning, etc. You seem to be the only one on here who posts exclusively about the ref. You would swear he was the only one playing Sunday.

    I would love if everyone in Tipp (especially the players) was obsessed with the ref the way you are, it's such a pathetic, loser mentality, setting yourself up to have excuses for failure, getting ready to lose and knowing exactly how you are going to go about bitching about it while the opposition celebrate with the cup. Sadly I doubt they are.


    Well if it is such a pathetic loser mentality why was Barry Kelly accused of criminal like decisions by Brian Cody? Eddie Brennan had a graph on the sunday game highlighting Kilkennys record when Barry Kelly has officiated a KK game. Why did a large cohort of Kilkenny people lampoon the referee AFTER beating Waterford. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander lads. Do try and be consistent and stop spouting $hite. The hypocrisy on here is incredible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    danganabu wrote: »
    Who said that? Try reading what I actually said please, just to point you in the right direction, I have not spoken to James or anyone in Drom for that matter and I have no idea who you played go games with. The fact that I haven't spoken to them does not mean they are not knowledgeable but that particular article from Woodlock, if the quotes are accurate would certainly suggest he is not.

    I am always amused at the assumption that because someone was a good player they are qualified to offer insight into said sport, have you ever heard or read the ramblings of your average professional footballer?


    I think you suffer from Stockholm syndrome pal therefore your views cannot be taken seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,103 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Well if it is such a pathetic loser mentality why was Barry Kelly accused of criminal like decisions by Brian Cody? Eddie Brennan had a graph on the sunday game highlighting Kilkennys record when Barry Kelly has officiated a KK game. Why did a large cohort of Kilkenny people lampoon the referee AFTER beating Waterford. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander lads. Do try and be consistent and stop spouting $hite. The hypocrisy on here is incredible.

    I love the way criticising a referee AFTER a game is what you have a problem with. You, on the other hand, have decided already that if ye lose, it will have been the referees fault. If you can't see how that isn't a loser mentality, I despair. Enjoy your week of constant anger over literally nothing at all. I won't be talking to you again, as I'm sure you'll be devastated to hear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭unrealtime


    Gavin hates Tipp thank God 'cos everyone else does.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    Whiplash85, who would the Tipp players like to ref the match?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭gobo99


    Whiplash85, who would the Tipp players like to ref the match?
    Michael Ryan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭minty81


    The tipp lads must be forgetting the penalty that Gavin incorrectly awarded them in the 14 replay.
    Did ye expect him to stick it in the net for ye as well?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    Whiplash85, who would the Tipp players like to ref the match?

    James McGrath, Barry Kelly, James Owens, Alan Kelly, Cathal McAlister, Colm Lyons.

    Anyone bar Gavin.

    There has been a monopoly of Leinster refs refereeing All Irelands. Pat O Connor (who forms part of munster referee committee) alluded to this very fact. All we want is fair play and to let our hurling do the talking.

    Anyway enough said on the matter.
    Revert back to match talk and who will be marking who and where the game might be won or lost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    So you're dressing it up as a Munster vs Leinster thing now, I thought your concern was based upon what adorns a certain referee's mantle piece?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Whiplash85, who would the Tipp players like to ref the match?

    James McGrath, Barry Kelly, James Owens, Alan Kelly, Cathal McAlister, Colm Lyons.

    Anyone bar Gavin.

    There has been a monopoly of Leinster refs refereeing All Irelands. Pat O Connor (who forms part of munster referee committee) alluded to this very fact. All we want is fair play and to let our hurling do the talking.

    Anyway enough said on the matter.
    Revert back to match talk and who will be marking who and where the game might be won or lost.

    The last sentence.....Where the game might be won and lost....the referee's fault of course!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Very quiet build up to the match, normally you would hear rumours of injuries, surprise starters etc. Last year, the build up started in Kilkenny around Friday and the celebrations were over by Monday. I think we are a victim of our own success, a lot of younger people don't realise how hard won an All Ireland is, particularly an All ireland against Tipp. Fair play to Cody and the players for maintaining their hunger despite all the success


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,086 ✭✭✭kk.man


    blackcard wrote: »
    Very quiet build up to the match, normally you would hear rumours of injuries, surprise starters etc. Last year, the build up started in Kilkenny around Friday and the celebrations were over by Monday. I think we are a victim of our own success, a lot of younger people don't realise how hard won an All Ireland is, particularly an All ireland against Tipp. Fair play to Cody and the players for maintaining their hunger despite all the success
    Concur 100 %


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    James McGrath, Barry Kelly, James Owens, Alan Kelly, Cathal McAlister, Colm Lyons.

    Anyone bar Gavin.

    There has been a monopoly of Leinster refs refereeing All Irelands. Pat O Connor (who forms part of munster referee committee) alluded to this very fact. All we want is fair play and to let our hurling do the talking.

    Anyway enough said on the matter.
    Revert back to match talk and who will be marking who and where the game might be won or lost.

    Did Michael Rice get much protection from a munster referee all Ireland semifinal 2012 I don't think so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Wonder will KK start with the players dropped for semi.

    I have doubt Joyce will be definate starter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Wonder will KK start with the players dropped for semi.

    I have doubt Joyce will be definate starter
    unlikely jackie will start although someone like rob lennon could who knows


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭Cornerback1


    brookville wrote: »
    Wonder will KK start with the players dropped for semi.

    I have doubt Joyce will be definate starter
    unlikely jackie will start although someone like rob lennon could who knows

    Although Lennon played in the corner V Galway, i'd have thought he'd be a more 'central' type of player.

    I suppose the key issues from a Kilkenny point of view are;

    1. Who will start at No. 6?
    2. Who will play midfield with I presume, Conor Fogarty? - Lester or will TJ start there?
    3. Will Liam Blanchfield start?
    4. Who will play in the forwards? - JJ, Bergin or JP??
    5. Any other suggestions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    James McGrath, Barry Kelly, James Owens, Alan Kelly, Cathal McAlister, Colm Lyons.

    Anyone bar Gavin.

    There has been a monopoly of Leinster refs refereeing All Irelands.

    That post just about sums up your knowledge of the matter all right.

    Westmeath, Wexford and Galway are not in Munster FWIW.

    Cathal McAlister is an absolute shambles of a ref and in the last 4 games involving Tipp teams he has remarkably sent off 5 Tipp players!

    Colm Lyons has no where near enough experience to be refereeing an AI.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,357 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Although Lennon played in the corner V Galway, i'd have thought he'd be a more 'central' type of player.

    I suppose the key issues from a Kilkenny point of view are;

    1. Who will start at No. 6?
    2. Who will play midfield with I presume, Conor Fogarty? - Lester or will TJ start there?
    3. Will Liam Blanchfield start?
    4. Who will play in the forwards? - JJ, Bergin or JP??
    5. Any other suggestions?

    At a guess, Joyce/TJ/Yes/JJ

    but there will be switches throughout the game but I can see TJ starting out there again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Martin567


    danganabu wrote: »
    That post just about sums up your knowledge of the matter all right.

    Westmeath, Wexford and Galway are not in Munster FWIW.

    Cathal McAlister is an absolute shambles of a ref and in the last 4 games involving Tipp teams he has remarkably sent off 5 Tipp players!

    Colm Lyons has no where near enough experience to be refereeing an AI.

    I agree with your view of Cathal McAllister as a ref. He surely killed any hope he ever had of refereeing semi-finals and finals with his performance in the 2012 semi final.

    I wasn't aware of him sending off so many Tipp players recently. He must be still trying to make up for that 2012 match where Padraic Maher made three separate genuine efforts to get a red card but to no avail.;)


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