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whelan2 · 30-08-2016 08:49PM

cosatron wrote: »

whelan2 wrote: »

Looking at getting a tank and our maintenance lad recommended lisccarroll so I rang them and as it's only 4000 litre he said to go with a second hand one as they have a yard of them with all new parts. So it will be interesting to see what price he comes back at. A new one was 16000 plus vat. F**k that.

Service guy reckons the new tanks are soft not made as good as the old ones. He is right we had a darikool tank for 25 years that gave feck all trouble. Too many electronic bits to go wrong on the new tanks.

Dawggone · 30-08-2016 08:55PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Noonan was quoted in a few radio sources this evening as saying that the Irish Government views this ruling as the EU attempting to start to dictate taxation policy to its members by the back door, which is outside the EUs remit in any of the treaties agreed upon by Ireland.

Thanks for the heads up sheriff.

Kinda like...'I was takin' a p1ss and the sheep backed into me'...

kinda thing?

kowtow · 30-08-2016 09:00PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up sheriff.

Kinda like...'I was takin' a p1ss and the sheep backed into me'...

kinda thing?

Yes, for the avoidance of doubt Europe does not control taxes in Ireland, except to the extent that it must approve the budgets in which they are raised and spent.

It is an uncomfortable Irony that Ireland enjoys less control over its own budget today than it did during most of the time it was ruled / occupied by its two closest neighbours.

Dawggone · 30-08-2016 09:10PM

kowtow wrote: »

Yes, for the avoidance of doubt Europe does not control taxes in Ireland, except to the extent that it must approve the budgets in which they are raised and spent.

It is an uncomfortable Irony that Ireland enjoys less control over its own budget today than it did during most of the time it was ruled / occupied by its two closest neighbours.

Quite.

Time for Ireland to pack it's bags and join Brexit.
Sacred cows are being slaughtered by the EU now.

Leave.

Edit.
I'm very serious about this. Sovereignty is totally compromised. Odious debt also needs to be addressed.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-08-2016 09:16PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up sheriff.

Kinda like...'I was takin' a p1ss and the sheep backed into me'...

kinda thing?

I think the way the Government are arguing this is that when the agreement with Apple was done, it was fully compliant with all the rules in place and remains fully compliant. The worst case situation they envisioned was a 200m euro refund due from Apple so they were fairly taken aback to see 13b euro being touted as the backtax due, before interest and penalties.

kowtow · 30-08-2016 09:24PM

Was thinking this evening that it's actually quite a timely choice by EU to push hard now against Ireland's tax strategy. They've always hated it (plenty of other German regions could do with the cash boost) and Ireland is not (yet, at least) a contributor to the EU budget.

On top of that we'll be shouting out for special treatment because of Brexit - which genuinely will affect us in all kinds of practical ways - and Irish dairy farmers are a disobedient, irrational bunch, stuffing the place full of unwanted powder.

All in all, why not cold shoulder us until we leave alongside the UK and save addressing all the complex little details? Then Apple & all the other corporates can come begging to the EU, offering sensible taxes in return for trade access.

I'm not saying they actively want rid of Ireland, but they do want us to shape up tax wise, and if I was negotiating on the EU side (God Forbid) that is the line I'd be taking.

Mooooo · 30-08-2016 09:31PM

What would you be pushing ftom our side kowtow?

As an aside apple are pushing for what 6000 employees? Average salary in there be 50k? That's 300 million taxed and spent in the Irish economy. Yearly. Not saying the way apple itself is taxed is correct bit this needs to be handled correctly as a precedent set could see a lot less jobs coming from fdi

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-08-2016 09:34PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Quite.

Time for Ireland to pack it's bags and join Brexit.
Sacred cows are being slaughtered by the EU now.

Leave.

Edit.
I'm very serious about this. Sovereignty is totally compromised. Odious debt also needs to be addressed.

I think we will be waiting till we see the fallout from Brexit before we go anyway down that road. We are much more integrated into the EU than Britain ever was and many industries would prefer us to stay part of the EU from a simplicity of exporting point of view.

Saying that, though, I would be growing more in favour of an Irexit with every passing day due to frustration with the sheer irrationality of some of the regulations (or the Irish interpretation of them) but I would still be in a very small minority. The ease of access to European countries, the exporting industries based here simply because we are part of the EU which would relocate if we left and loads of other reasons means it isn't an option here atm.

GrasstoMilk · 30-08-2016 09:40PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Thinking of holding off for a month then going again at housing. I'm winter milking so a small bit different. Every cow gets done for worms at dry off too

If your herd comes up as a positive on milk test for fluke or worms the residual will be on the test for the year.
If there not looking like they've a worm burden I'd leave them

kowtow · 30-08-2016 09:44PM

Mooooo wrote: »

What would you be pushing ftom our side kowtow?

As an aside apple are pushing for what 6000 employees? Average salary in there be 50k? That's 300 million taxed and spent in the Irish economy. Yearly. Not saying the way apple itself is taxed is correct bit this needs to be handled correctly as a precedent set could see a lot less jobs coming from fdi

Couldn't agree more on Apple - I'm all in favour of sovereign tax competition, after a certain minimum point the sheer immorality of taxation hugely outweighs the additional "good" it brings to society.

From Ireland's perspective I think I'd be calling the EU's bluff, eyeing up the fish, and concentrating on feeding our nearest neighbours.

A big part of the problem here is that what Ireland is saying and what Ireland is doing are two different things - we are, primarily, a tax haven rather than a value generating centre - something our politicians aren't keen to make clear either internally or externally. Sooner or later political rhetoric & reality will collide, and someone is bound to be disappointed.

freedominacup · 30-08-2016 09:46PM

kowtow wrote: »

Couldn't agree more on Apple - I'm all in favour of sovereign tax competition, after a certain minimum point the sheer immorality of taxation hugely outweighs the additional "good" it brings to society.

From Ireland's perspective I think I'd be calling the EU's bluff, eyeing up the fish, and concentrating on feeding our nearest neighbours.

A big part of the problem here is that what Ireland is saying and what Ireland is doing are two different things - we are, primarily, a tax haven rather than a value generating centre - something our politicians aren't keen to make clear either internally or externally. Sooner or later political rhetoric & reality will collide, and someone is bound to be disappointed.

Tax haven we may be kt but hardly the only one in the EU never mind in the extended family.

Which American politician described Kuwait as an oil company with a seat at the U.N.? It would hardly be too much of a stretch to apply a similar metaphor to Luxembourg for one.

Dawggone · 30-08-2016 09:47PM

kowtow wrote: »

Was thinking this evening that it's actually quite a timely choice by EU to push hard now against Ireland's tax strategy. They've always hated it (plenty of other German regions could do with the cash boost) and Ireland is not (yet, at least) a contributor to the EU budget.

On top of that we'll be shouting out for special treatment because of Brexit - which genuinely will affect us in all kinds of practical ways - and Irish dairy farmers are a disobedient, irrational bunch, stuffing the place full of unwanted powder.

All in all, why not cold shoulder us until we leave alongside the UK and save addressing all the complex little details? Then Apple & all the other corporates can come begging to the EU, offering sensible taxes in return for trade access.

I'm not saying they actively want rid of Ireland, but they do want us to shape up tax wise, and if I was negotiating on the EU side (God Forbid) that is the line I'd be taking.

Yes and no!

The EU are just opening up another battle front against the UK.

Hopefully...the UK (in fact the City) have enough wherewithal to front up to the EU and tell them to feck off. The City absolutely needs to keep its power. This is going to be undermined by the EU. Paris and Hamburg want a slice..

Ireland needs to take a stance. Prostitution is an ancient and noble profession. If the EU thought that we would leave, just like Uk, they wouldn't have floated this...they're confident of Noonan et Al towing the line. Noonan certainly isn't Varafoukis.

Edit. We're great little Europeans...

Dawggone · 30-08-2016 10:03PM

kowtow wrote: »

Couldn't agree more on Apple - I'm all in favour of sovereign tax competition, after a certain minimum point the sheer immorality of taxation hugely outweighs the additional "good" it brings to society.

From Ireland's perspective I think I'd be calling the EU's bluff, eyeing up the fish, and concentrating on feeding our nearest neighbours.

A big part of the problem here is that what Ireland is saying and what Ireland is doing are two different things - we are, primarily, a tax haven rather than a value generating centre - something our politicians aren't keen to make clear either internally or externally. Sooner or later political rhetoric & reality will collide, and someone is bound to be disappointed.

Good post.

Sooner or later political rhetoric and reality will collide. C'est ca.

Funny though we all know that we're the best Germans in the class.

kowtow · 30-08-2016 10:07PM

freedominacup wrote:

Which American politician described Kuwait as an oil company with a seat at the U.N.? It would hardly be too much of a stretch to apply a similar metaphor to Luxembourg for one.

Luxembourg is an absolute gem... the 1929 sarl is a corporate form which has yet to be bettered from a tax optimisation perspective.

Ask any German dentist!

kowtow · 30-08-2016 10:09PM

Dawggone wrote:

Funny though we all know that we're the best Germans in the class.

Also the EU would struggle if Enda wasn't there to hand round the canapÃ©s...

Timmaay · 30-08-2016 10:23PM

cosatron wrote: »

Looking at getting a tank and our maintenance lad recommended lisccarroll so I rang them and as it's only 4000 litre he said to go with a second hand one as they have a yard of them with all new parts. So it will be interesting to see what price he comes back at. A new one was 16000 plus vat. F**k that.

My 11k darakool was something like 20k, a 4kl tank for 16k seems steep. The neighbour got a 2nd hand 6kl tank for something like 9k at the same time.

cosatron · 30-08-2016 10:30PM

Timmaay wrote: »

My 11k darakool was something like 20k, a 4kl tank for 16k seems steep. The neighbour got a 2nd hand 6kl tank for something like 9k at the same time.

My sentiments aswell. I told the rep that when milk hits 40 cent a litre, I'll buy a new one. Crazy money.

blackdog1 · 30-08-2016 10:38PM

Timmaay wrote:

My 11k darakool was something like 20k, a 4kl tank for 16k seems steep. The neighbour got a 2nd hand 6kl tank for something like 9k at the same time.

I got a new 6k this year after. Grant is paid it works out about 10k. Was gonna get a 2nd hand packo but they were 9k.....

cute geoge · 30-08-2016 10:43PM

second hand packo 3800 litre icebank here over 20 years old and never much bother from it ,would highly recommend it .Should be got second hand for a couple of grand ,fire in a new copeland compressor (approx3k) and you have a very reliable tank .Them packo tanks of that era are well renowned so well worth your while looking out for one

Dawggone · 30-08-2016 11:11PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I got a new 6k this year after. Grant is paid it works out about 10k. Was gonna get a 2nd hand packo but they were 9k.....

Nice that the Government steps in and supports you for a piece of kit...

I'm on my own.

Dairy still the golden haired boys...

FFS.

Brown Podzol · 30-08-2016 11:21PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Nice that the Government steps in and supports you for a piece of kit...

I'm on my own.

Dairy still the golden haired boys...

FFS.

Available across most sectors.

TAM II compromises of six individual schemes which include:
Young Farmer Capital Investment Scheme (YFCIS).
Dairy Equipment Scheme (DES).
Organic Capital Investment Scheme (OCIS).
Low Emission Slurry Spreading Equipment Scheme (LESS).
Pig and Poultry Investment Scheme (PPIS).
Animal Welfare Safety and Nutrient Storage Scheme (AWNSS).

Dawggone · 30-08-2016 11:33PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Available across most sectors.

TAM II compromises of six individual schemes which include:
Young Farmer Capital Investment Scheme (YFCIS).
Dairy Equipment Scheme (DES).
Organic Capital Investment Scheme (OCIS).
Low Emission Slurry Spreading Equipment Scheme (LESS).
Pig and Poultry Investment Scheme (PPIS).
Animal Welfare Safety and Nutrient Storage Scheme (AWNSS).

Really?
Explique moi.

Edit.
Tell me what I'm entitled to
(in a tillage business)??

Available across 'most' sectors...honestly??

FFS.

Brown Podzol · 30-08-2016 11:59PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Really?
Explique moi.

Edit.
Tell me what I'm entitled to
(in a tillage business)??

Available across 'most' sectors...honestly?

FFS.

Overall explanation here.
http://www.agriland.ie/tams-ii-what-it-is-and-how-to-apply/
Tillage here.
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/minister-expects-tams-tillage-scheme-to-be-open-by-end-of-the-year/

greysides · 31-08-2016 12:12AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

If your herd comes up as a positive on milk test for fluke or worms the residual will be on the test for the year.
If there not looking like they've a worm burden I'd leave them

As far as I know, antibodies to worms and fluke remain for about 6 months after dosing for them.

C0N0R · 31-08-2016 06:46AM

Dawggone wrote: »

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Available across most sectors.

TAM II compromises of six individual schemes which include:
Young Farmer Capital Investment Scheme (YFCIS).
Dairy Equipment Scheme (DES).
Organic Capital Investment Scheme (OCIS).
Low Emission Slurry Spreading Equipment Scheme (LESS).
Pig and Poultry Investment Scheme (PPIS).
Animal Welfare Safety and Nutrient Storage Scheme (AWNSS).

Really?
Explique moi.

Edit.
Tell me what I'm entitled to
(in a tillage business)??

Available across 'most' sectors...honestly??

FFS.

We get grants, your government steps in and the milk price goes up, to be fair I'd rather a better milk price than a grant on a tank

Panch18 · 31-08-2016 07:02AM

C0N0R wrote: »

We get grants, your government steps in and the milk price goes up, to be fair I'd rather a better milk price than a grant on a tank

The irony of a French farmer complaining about grants!!

Injuryprone · 31-08-2016 07:10AM

whelan2 wrote: »

cosatron wrote: »

Service guy reckons the new tanks are soft not made as good as the old ones. He is right we had a darikool tank for 25 years that gave feck all trouble. Too many electronic bits to go wrong on the new tanks.

Yeah, I got a new tank off packo at the start of last year as well, except I went for a reconditioned 10 year old tank instead of a brand new one. Apart from a faulty switch for the washer, it hasn't missed a beat.

whelan2 · 31-08-2016 08:54AM

Injuryprone wrote: »

whelan2 wrote: »

Yeah, I got a new tank off packo at the start of last year as well, except I went for a reconditioned 10 year old tank instead of a brand new one. Apart from a faulty switch for the washer, it hasn't missed a beat.

You'd think when you are buying new that it would be problem free

Brown Podzol · 31-08-2016 10:20AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Injuryprone wrote: »

You'd think when you are buying new that it would be problem free

I have a Dx Packo in its second season and trouble free.

Mooooo · 31-08-2016 10:25AM

Dx dairymaster here doing fine only in 16 months yet. Has a long way to go to match the 22 years of its predecessor, an ice bank packo tank. Had milk in it everyday since 2000

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