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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread
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The Muppet wrote: »apparently it should be 90 , Quack Quack :pac:
Hey I'm not Jesus, I don't have to be perfect to cast judgement on others.
*Throws the first stone*0 -
The Muppet wrote: »apparently it should be 90 , Quack Quack :pac:
I take it that's 90 seconds slower than a recent race pace rather than PMP
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I take it that's 90 seconds slower than a recent race pace rather than PMP
60-90 seconds
This is a good read if you have time on your hands, I particularly like the chart at the end
http://www.runnersworld.com/race-training/the-easy-day-pace0 -
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The Muppet wrote: »I'll be walking mine so.
Maybe change that to "recent race pace when you weren't ill" 0 -
60-90 seconds
This is a good read if you have time on your hands, I particularly like the chart at the end
http://www.runnersworld.com/race-training/the-easy-day-pace
That article just makes me confused. They make all these suggestions and then go get examples of elite athletes who are all over the board. Yet even though they're all doing different things, it's clearly working for them! The only consistent thread I can find is: Run lots of miles.0 -
Maximus Alexander wrote: »That article just makes me confused. They make all these suggestions and then go get examples of elite athletes who are all over the board. Yet even though they're all doing different things, it's clearly working for them! The only consistent thread I can find is: Run lots of miles.
I think the general jist of it though is that for 'most of us' the adaptations and gains are made in the slow easy miles. There will always be exceptions to rules and I *think* that as the years go on and you've more and more miles in your legs you can look at changing things up. At least that's what I took from it, but then we all know I can't be relied up on to read things properly 0 -
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I think the general jist of it though is that for 'most of us' the adaptations and gains are made in the slow easy miles. There will always be exceptions to rules and I *think* that as the years go on and you've more and more miles in your legs you can look at changing things up. At least that's what I took from it, but then we all know I can't be relied up on to read things properly:D
I did read this article the other day which explains why easy running works in biological terms which really appeals to the engineer / amateur scientist in me.
I have been having a lot of doubts during marathon training because I'm pretty much always going more slowly than I was a year ago when I first started! But that article put my mind right at ease.
Key quote was (emphasis mine):Not only will running faster result in diminished aerobic development, but it increases the chances of injury and overtraining.
Running faster is not only not-better for aerobic development, but is actually worse. And it explains why in way that makes sense too.0 -
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Maximus Alexander wrote: »:D
I did read this article the other day which explains why easy running works in biological terms which really appeals to the engineer / amateur scientist in me.
I have been having a lot of doubts during marathon training because I'm pretty much always going more slowly than I was a year ago when I first started! But that article put my mind right at ease.
Key quote was (emphasis mine):
Running faster is not only not-better for aerobic development, but is actually worse. And it explains why in way that makes sense too.
Max, you don't trust us?! I'm devastated :pac: It's a question/discussion that comes up over and over both in the novices threads and elsewhere on the forum. Certainly it seems counterproductive so understanding why is a good start. For me, looking at Peter Somba's strava feed here https://www.strava.com/athletes/16385202#interval_type?chart_type=miles&interval_type=month&interval=201608&year_offset=0 tells an interesting story, you'll see some 10:30/11:30 min miles amongst his runs, the famous 'Kenyan shuffle' I guess. Lots of faster stuff too but he does his share of easy and recovery pace's and is not worried about going too slowly 0 -
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Maximus Alexander wrote: »Of course I trust you! That's why I slowed down dramatically and never questioned it when I started thinking about doing the marathon. :P And I've seen the benefits too; constant niggles and injuries have been replaced by every increasing mileage and greater enjoyment. I'm doing race times and distances that even 6 months ago would have sounded like fantasy to me.
And yet... it's so counter-intuitive that my mind keeps rejecting it and every couple of weeks I find myself thinking "But what if I was going a little faster in training; would I be doing even better now?" So it helps to do a bit of reading to find out why it makes sense. I've always been one of those annoying people who, when told "Do this like this" will respond "But why?"
Also maybe look at the novices from last year we all questioned the pace and doubted the plan but I am living proof that running LSR at 11.20 last year got me a 4.31 marathon time in October so trust in the plan slow down and trust in the mentors giving you advice they are looking after you and making sure you don't get injured it's all about building stamina and time on your feet. 0 -
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Hi all . Sorry haven't been able to post much but been really busy. I completed the Longford half marathon which tell perfectly with my plan on Sunday and I loved every minute of it! Full report to come, but went out with 2 h pacer and came home in 1.57 with loads left in the tank. Delighted with myself and it was scorching!
Brilliant stuff, well done 0 -
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