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John Lennon's killer denied parole after 35 years in prison. Should he be released

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    From just looking at the headline, yeah, my first reaction is he should get neither less nor more than a similar crime. But good points have been made about the reasons. Assuming that's true and sourced from something, it suggests that he is still a danger.

    Eh, it comes down to risk factors. Both the risk that Chapman himself poses and the risk that is posed by other people seeing light sentences handed down. The latter doesn't apply in this case, 35 years is a pretty solid sentence. If Chapman's mental health is stabilised to the point that he is beyond reasonable doubt unlikely to ever reoffend, then he probably should be released (although god knows how he'd cope with the outside world now). It can never be beyond absolute doubt, because people don't work like that, so it's down to acceptable risk.

    I don't know that we know enough about whatever spurred him to do it -I'm hesitant to try categorise it as narcisstic personality disorder or whatever since I'm literally just going by what's in this thread and internet threads aren't exactly primary sourcing material!- to be able to say he's "beyond reasonable doubt" in terms of potential recidivism, so I'm going to assume that the judge with access to his medical records and psychological records was probably correct in their decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭valoren


    If I didn't murder John Lennon, then I had a list of other celebrities I would have murdered. Parole please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    While it says he has had good behaviour that doesn't mean he still is not crazy for example.
    A parole board makes its decisions on reports and evaluations. Which none of us know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    I dont think it is possible for anyone here to assess whether Mark Chapman is still a threat to society or not. I doubt the Parole board are die hard Beatles fans who are keeping him locked up for the craic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    I think Mark Chapman is safer where he is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    If it happened around here he'd be out in seven years. Funny old world ain't it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Elliott S


    It depends on if they think his mental problems are resolved or not. Good behaviour in prison doesn't necessarily mean that they are. If he still has mental issues, then I think there's a possibility he might kill again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Elliott S wrote: »
    It depends on if they think his mental problems are resolved or not. Good behaviour in prison doesn't necessarily mean that they are. If he still has mental issues, then I think there's a possibility he might kill again.

    Depending, of course, on what 'mental issues' means. Plenty of people have mental issues and are gentle and kind. Just wanted to keep that clear, nothing to do with the person under discussion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Elliott S


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Depending, of course, on what 'mental issues' means. Plenty of people have mental issues and are gentle and kind. Just wanted to keep that clear, nothing to do with the person under discussion.

    Well obviously I meant the mental problems that caused him stalk and become obsessed with John Lennon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Joe prim


    Let him out hopefully he kills Bono

    What a disgusting and heartless thing to say, surely Justin Bieber would be a much more popular choice?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Academic


    I do not have access to the evidence which was considered in making the decision, but so far as I’m concerned such decisions should be made on the basis of whether or not the person poses a risk to the public if released—it’s not a matter of how much time he has or has not served which is irrelevant to that question. I do know that this person has been definitively diagnosed with a mental illness, and I also know that as recently as two years ago at a parole hearing he continued to express a weird kind of pride in the murder.

    The rather extraordinary degree of premeditation is itself suggestive of what Chapman is capable of; it wasn’t, for example, a crime committed in the heat of passion under circumstances unlikely to be repeated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Ted111


    Go ahead and stamp your form sonny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    Joe prim wrote: »
    What a disgusting and heartless thing to say, surely Justin Bieber would be a much more popular choice?

    Por qué no los dos?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    So despite his good behaviour while incarcirated, Mark Chapman was denied parole for a 9th time "on the grounds that his crime was premeditated and celebrity-seeking in nature the York State Board of Parole said. The board said Chapman's release would deprecate the seriousness of the crime.".

    He's been in prison for 35 years. Don't you think he's done his time? I'm not taking away from the fact he killed a human being. Obviously a severe punishment was due. However if he had murdered some regular non-famous person in the same manner, Mark Chapman would have been out of prison long ago but since it was the almighty John Lennon all of a sudden the rules change.

    Shouldn't the penalty be based on merit of the crime instead of the status of the victim?

    What do you think?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mark-david-chapman-denied-parole-for-ninth-time-w436955

    The American rules have not changed for him. John Hinckley Jr, around the same time, attempted to assassinate a far bigger personality in the US (President Ronald Reagan) and he is walking free probably this very week. I know he didn't actually succeed in murdering anyone - but that's not the point.

    The world is safer with Chapman behind bars and you assume he's getting special treatment without knowing much if anything about how psychotic he still is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    It seems cruel to keep these people in jail, however. A secure mental hospital would be more appropriate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Speedwell


    Chuchote wrote: »
    It seems cruel to keep these people in jail, however. A secure mental hospital would be more appropriate.

    In the US? Same-same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    If I killed someone in that fashion I would expect to be in prison for the rest of my days.
    He was sentenced 20years to life. I hope he never gets out.


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