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Invite conundrum...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭clint_silver


    GingerLily wrote: »
    Yes good point, small weddings have smaller refusal rates, especially if the location is convenient!

    Sorry, that was point I was making depending on location and day of week. A dublin couple having 90 people down to cork on a thursday will see refusal rates high, a taxi ride home on a saturday may see drop out rates very low. Milage may vary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    I have gone to weddings on my own but dont think Ive ever been invited on my own.

    I wouldnt bother going if I didnt receive a plus one and I was in a relationship.

    And Id never go to just the afters of a wedding. Afters invites are the height of tack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    And Id never go to just the afters of a wedding. Afters invites are the height of tack.

    I think that's a bit harsh. I've had great fun at weddings where I've only been invited to the afters. Sometimes it's due to budget constraints on the couple, sometimes it's just been a way to invite work friends to help celebrate. I'd never think it's tack - you're still getting invited to share their celebration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    There's a big difference between an afters invite for a group of people, usually work or sports team, and an afters invite when your partners received a full invite, the second type is an insult IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    I think that's a bit harsh. I've had great fun at weddings where I've only been invited to the afters. Sometimes it's due to budget constraints on the couple, sometimes it's just been a way to invite work friends to help celebrate. I'd never think it's tack - you're still getting invited to share their celebration.

    Each to their own, I think its tacky and usually a bit scabby.

    Its a way of making up numbers for the evening dancing without paying for a meal for someone. The invitee will still have all of the expense of an outfit, travel, hotel room etc.

    If you want someone to help celebrate your wedding then invite them invite them to the wedding and not just to the afters. The term "plate lickers invite" is apt.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    GingerLily wrote: »
    There's a big difference between an afters invite for a group of people, usually work or sports team, and an afters invite when your partners received a full invite, the second type is an insult IMO

    Yeah I think this is the line really. If its a group of work colleagues then what harm, especially if its local. But to ask a couple to both travel and spend a night in a hotel with only one invited to the actual wedding is beyond rude IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    GingerLily wrote: »
    There's a big difference between an afters invite for a group of people, usually work or sports team, and an afters invite when your partners received a full invite, the second type is an insult IMO

    Oh yeah I completely agree with that.
    Each to their own, I think its tacky and usually a bit scabby.

    Its a way of making up numbers for the evening dancing without paying for a meal for someone. The invitee will still have all of the expense of an outfit, travel, hotel room etc.

    If you want someone to help celebrate your wedding then invite them invite them to the wedding and not just to the afters. The term "plate lickers invite" is apt.

    I'd never see it as a way of "making up numbers". Usually if I'm invited to an afters, I don't stay and wear something I've worn before so never a massive expense to me.

    I would prefer people didn't spend massive amounts on weddings and get themselves into debt rather than think they have to issue a full invite to absolutely everyone for the full thing. I have a large extended family and if I was getting married there is no way that I'd be able to afford to have them all there for the meal, I would like them there though at some point if they could so would see an afters invite as a good compromise on that. I know that's what my sister is doing. I would hate to think people are thinking she's "scabby" but she has a budget and is sticking to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    GingerLily wrote: »
    There's a big difference between an afters invite for a group of people, usually work or sports team, and an afters invite when your partners received a full invite, the second type is an insult IMO

    Oh yes, I was speaking about the individual afters invite.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    Each to their own, I think its tacky and usually a bit scabby.

    Its a way of making up numbers for the evening dancing without paying for a meal for someone. The invitee will still have all of the expense of an outfit, travel, hotel room etc.

    If you want someone to help celebrate your wedding then invite them invite them to the wedding and not just to the afters. The term "plate lickers invite" is apt.

    I have to say, I would only go to an afters if it was easy for me to get to, ie a €20-30 taxi ride at most. I would never pay for a hotel on the basis of an afters invite, or make the same effort in terms of my appearance. I'd probably recycle a previous wedding outfit and just do my own hair and make up.

    If it can be treated like a night out then its not big deal, but I certainly wouldnt think of putting in the same amount of effort. I think for colleagues or a sports club or whatever, then this is fine.

    If it didnt suit me, I just wouldnt go. If I was only getting an afters invite I'd be of the mind that my presence there is non essential anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    I would never pay for a hotel on the basis of an afters invite, or make the same effort in terms of my appearance. I'd probably recycle a previous wedding outfit and just do my own hair and make up.

    But if your partner had a full invite and you only had an afters one you probably would be staying over plus you might dress up a bit more because he or she would be fully dressed up.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    But if your partner had a full invite and you only had an afters one you probably would be staying over plus you might dress up a bit more because he or she would be fully dressed up.

    Actually in that case I wouldnt go - as I said, I'd only do it if convenient to me.

    As I mentioned earlier on in this thread, that actually happened to me and I was pretty upset by it, and was in no way going to hang around until it was ok for me to join the party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    How awkward to pay for a hotel on an afters invite - if my partner was going and had a room I'd say have a nice day but I won't be joining. What are you meant to do - arrive in seperate cars? Or arrive together and you hide out in the room and get room service for your dinner? Lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    GingerLily wrote: »
    How awkward to pay for a hotel on an afters invite - if my partner was going and had a room I'd say have a nice day but I won't be joining. What are you meant to do - arrive in seperate cars? Or arrive together and you hide out in the room and get room service for your dinner? Lol

    Exactly - its just so ridiculous. Whatever about where its local but if theres an overnight stay involved then its just ridiculous.

    Myself and the OH had quite the number of rows about this at the time. He thought I was just having a strop but I was so insulted. Like we were living together, I wasn't just some girl he'd just met.

    His POV was that weddings are boring anyway so why would I even want to be invited, and couldnt myself and the other uninvited girlfriends just amuse ourselves during the day, and come later. My POV was that I wouldnt be treated like a second class citizen or waste my weekend hanging around from crumbs from the masters table, so if he wanted to go, he could go alone.

    By the time my invite got "upgraded" I was really glad I'd made other plans and couldn't go anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭R.D. aka MR.D


    Would it not be a possibility to have a small intimate wedding for family only and then have a massive after party and invite everyone?

    That way, you don't have to leave any one out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    Would it not be a possibility to have a small intimate wedding for family only and then have a massive after party and invite everyone?

    That way, you don't have to leave any one out.

    Yeah I see no problem with this TBH. I think its just inviting one half of a couple that causes problems.

    That said, I've heard stories of people who you'd thing would be fairly peripheral (ie neighbours, distant cousins etc) getting seriously bent out of shape when people go down the more intimate route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    Exactly - its just so ridiculous. Whatever about where its local but if theres an overnight stay involved then its just ridiculous.

    Myself and the OH had quite the number of rows about this at the time. He thought I was just having a strop but I was so insulted. Like we were living together, I wasn't just some girl he'd just met.

    His POV was that weddings are boring anyway so why would I even want to be invited, and couldnt myself and the other uninvited girlfriends just amuse ourselves during the day, and come later. My POV was that I wouldnt be treated like a second class citizen or waste my weekend hanging around from crumbs from the masters table, so if he wanted to go, he could go alone.

    By the time my invite got "upgraded" I was really glad I'd made other plans and couldn't go anyway.

    I completely agree with you. I think if you know the name of the OH or they've been together a reasonable length of time then they should also get a full invite.

    I know my situation of not getting the full invite was that when they were sorting numbers (foreign wedding) and sending the invites, I was only with my OH for about 3 months.

    I think if they're a proper couple and together then they both get a full invite, or both get an afters. Not a mix.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    GingerLily wrote: »
    How awkward to pay for a hotel on an afters invite - if my partner was going and had a room I'd say have a nice day but I won't be joining. What are you meant to do - arrive in seperate cars? Or arrive together and you hide out in the room and get room service for your dinner? Lol

    Jaysus I never even thought of that!! Maybe you could go on your bike to the afters?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    Yes, full invite or afters for both rule especially if they're engaged!!

    Imagine, you've just got engaged, you open a card in the mail thinking it's a congratulations card, and it turns out it's a wedding invite and you've been snubbed :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    GingerLily wrote: »
    Yes, full invite or afters for both rule especially if they're engaged!!

    Imagine, you've just got engaged, you open a card in the mail thinking it's a congratulations card, and it turns out it's a wedding invite and you've been snubbed :o

    Ha, thats pretty much what happened (minus the engagement). My OH had been talking about it for a while before the invite came, like won't in be nice to go to be in that part of the country for a weekend during the summer, maybe we'll go and do XYZ while we're down there etc. He knew he was invited and had just assumed that I was too.

    I went down one morning to collect the post and brought it back up. The wedding invite was addressed to him but he told me to open it as I was going through all the post and then when I saw just his name on the invite itself, it was a bit of a smack in the face.

    To add insult to injury the stupid invite was basically a glitter bomb and I then had to sweep up the mess it had made all over the kitchen floor!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    To add insult to injury the stupid invite was basically a glitter bomb and I then had to sweep up the mess it had made all over the kitchen floor!

    This is such a funny story now!! Before I was like "well thats not very nice", now Im like "omg - lets make a scene in a tv show about this!!".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    This is such a funny story now!! Before I was like "well thats not very nice", now Im like "omg - lets make a scene in a tv show about this!!".

    It really got everywhere, even after I thought I had it all, I was still finding bit of glitter and confetti for weeks! FFS!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Turtle_


    my god, the self righteous indignation, how DARE they only invite a partner they've never met to the afters or leave them out?!

    People would want to get over themselves, it's an expensive day. If someone is a long-time friend of the couple then they'll know enough people there to not need a +1. Why should the couple pay for someone they don't know?

    Fiancee is different. That's a different level and it's not their fault you've never met, but seriously, people not going because their OH who's never met the couple didn't get invited? You'd want to get over yourselves.

    It's not like this couple are asking people to travel, the people all live in Dublin and the event is in Dublin. No big deal.

    OP, I'd invite the Fiancee - meet her beforehand to congratulate them on the engagement and so you can keep your rule, but a Fiancee should be there. Explain to the others "Look, we're really stuck on numbers for the meal so we've had to limit it to just the partners we actually know. I'm really sorry we can't invite your partner but you know how it is with numbers. We'd love to have all the partners to the afters and would be thrilled if your partner can make it, but we completely understand if she can't".

    If people get their noses out of joint because their partner who's never met you isn't going to the meal then that says more about them than it does about you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    His POV was that weddings are boring anyway so why would I even want to be invited, and couldnt myself and the other uninvited girlfriends just amuse ourselves during the day, and come later. My POV was that I wouldnt be treated like a second class citizen or waste my weekend hanging around from crumbs from the masters table, so if he wanted to go, he could go alone.

    I think its mad that people take these things that seriously. I mean, its a wedding invite, its not any judgement on your person. The couple perceived you werent close enough to get the invite but your bf was, its their call to make, they wanted your boyfriend there, not you, you are different people.

    Sorry if that sounds harsh but Im struggling to see how you are got so offended by this. As I say, its just a wedding invite from what sounds like an acquaintance at best, I don't know how you took it this personally!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    I think its mad that people take these things that seriously. I mean, its a wedding invite, its not any judgement on your person. The couple perceived you werent close enough to get the invite but your bf was, its their call to make, they wanted your boyfriend there, not you, you are different people.

    Sorry if that sounds harsh but Im struggling to see how you are got so offended by this. As I say, its just a wedding invite from what sounds like an acquaintance at best, I don't know how you took it this personally!

    Well, just to point out that unlike the OP, in my case I had met the couple a few times and the wedding did involve travel and an overnight stay.

    I just value my time more than having to hang around some random hotel knowing that theres a party going on but I'm not allowed to be at it. I wasnt impressed by that proposition at all, and my preference was to tell him to go if he wanted, but I had not intention of tagging along.

    He thought I should be fine with tagging along, so thats where the conflict was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    TheNibbler wrote: »
    Having a smallish wedding (around 80 guests). Ideally it would be smaller but once we started writing out the list it became clear 80 was about the minimum we could do (once we decided it wasn't going to be just our immediate families).

    We decided to limit the plus ones to couples where we have met the girlfriend/boyfriend at least once or twice. Do feel guilt above ut not inviting some partners but we just felt we had to keep the numbers down some how both to keep the day relatively intimate and because of the size of the venue we chose. As a compromise we plan on telling those in relationships that they're welcome to bring their partner to the afters (Dublin wedding, all those in question live in Dublin).

    However, recently one such couple got engaged (after a relatively short time together). Have never met her but have been contemplating whether it would be strange not to invite her to the whole thing now.....but don't want to make one rule for one friend and a different one for others!?

    Have found the whole wedding planning process fairly stress free with the notable exception of the guest list!

    First of all congrats on your upcoming nuptials.
    We had a similar situation with regard to numbers/budget etc, and we adopted a similar approach regarding plus 1s (based on how well we knew the partner/if they were co-habiting/if they were engaged or just new on the scene etc) We spoke to everyone who wasn't getting a plus 1 before invites went out and explained the score and told them they could have plus 1 for the afters. As they knew our situation and most were more than happy with that (one guy who was only newly coupled up was a bit peeved but by the time the wedding came around he was single again anyway)
    Then as our rsvps came in and spaces became available we were able to include plus 1s based on criteria above.
    A friend of mine asked all of us from the office to the main thing and invited partners to the afters which was totally fine then when she was going through her rsvps she was able to extend plus 1s to people on a similar basis to us.
    I think the important thing is to be totally up front with your friends and I'm sure they'll understand. I would definitely find a way of including the new fiancée (as someone else suggested maybe invite them for a meal or Skype just so you can cover your a$$ on the not knowing or meeting them bit)
    Anyway, hope it all goes well for you in the lead up to and on the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Imo couples in a serious relationship ie living together, engaged or married should be invited to Weddings as a couple.

    If there are space / financial restrictions then couples should be considered as a Unit on whether to invite or not.

    When we got married we gave everyone a Plus 1 with named Partners for those in Relationships and Guest for those not.

    One of my good friends was not invited to the wedding of a friend of her Husband. Her Husband was. They didn't go and that friendship has suffered because of it.

    OP - invite the fiancee. If you prefer to have it fit into your invite rule then arrange it so that you have met beforehand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Laura_A


    This is such a point of argument for so many couples its crazy..

    Personally if I have only met someone three times and have limited numbers for whatever reason I wouldn't be feeling obliged to have peoples partners there. If I could great but if I couldn't I dont see the issue.

    In the same sense if my OH was invited to a wedding for a couple that I had met 2/3 times but he had knows for years I wouldn't be put out at all (and we are getting married next year!) the reality is that it is going to be one of the most important days of the bride and grooms lives and they dont want 25% of the room to be people they have never met - especially if they are having to cut out having some people there because of numbers.

    And honestly why would I want to go to a wedding when I have met the couple three times? I wouldn't know more than 5 or 6 people more than likely and wouldn't even know the bride and groom well enough to not be awkward congratulating them - personally I wouldn't understand why I was there..

    Similarly if someone invited my OH to whole wedding and me to the afters if he wanted me there I wouldn't see the issue - most hotels have spas and room service, much more relaxing than waiting around all day for dinner lol :) Personally I think it is a bit crazy for OH's regardless of status to expect a full invite to a wedding of people they barely know when they are potentially taking the place of someone that is important to the Bride & Groom just because they feel obliged to invite couples rather than just the one they actually know. Do you also get put out when your not invited to the OH's xmas work party or similar events?

    And if they did get drops offs and gave a second tier round of plus ones - again I dont see how its insulting? They have extra spaces and are inviting you - fine its second tier invited but at the same time you probably don't even know basic details about them like how many siblings they have, the name of their pet, their career etc. Personally I think it would be a bit selfish to expect a full invite whether you are the person who has been around 3 months, 3 years, married, engaged, have kids together.. whatever.

    At the end of the day a wedding is for close family and friends of the people getting married - so would it not stand to reason that all of the people in the room should actually know the people getting married at least pretty well?

    Maybe I am too black and white with my opinion and I know its not a popular one but I would feel incredibly uncomfortable on my wedding day looking out to a room of people and not even being able to remember everyone's name because I met them that one or two times over the course of a couple of years...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    Laura_A wrote: »
    And if they did get drops offs and gave a second tier round of plus ones - again I dont see how its insulting? They have extra spaces and are inviting you - fine its second tier invited but at the same time you probably don't even know basic details about them like how many siblings they have, the name of their pet, their career etc.

    Gawd, even the whole notion of tier 1 and tier 2 spaces - it so crass!!

    Its not a concert!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Laura_A


    Gawd, even the whole notion of tier 1 and tier 2 spaces - it so crass!!

    Its not a concert!

    Exactly - its not a concert and its not a party or something insignificant so why would someone who has only ever met the person a few times in their whole life be entitled to be there?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭SarahMollie


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    If there are space / financial restrictions then couples should be considered as a Unit on whether to invite or not.

    This line says it all for me. In my case I know my OH wouldnt have been offended if he wasnt invited, it was purely putting him being invited and me not that caused an issue.

    People are typically very good and gracious about going to peoples weddings at considerable cost and effort. This whole "its my special day" argument is used to justify people just being plain inconsiderate. I think the least you can do is try to arrange it so that you're guests have a good time, and to me that means not forcing them to leave their partner at home/up in a hotel room/whatever.

    Also, if I want to go to a hotel spa, I'd want to go to one of my choosing at the time of my choosing, not just having to accommodate someone who didn't see fit to invite me to their wedding.


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