Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

danganabu · 29-08-2016 02:42PM

Martin567 wrote: »

I only commented on Bonner at all because another poster described him as the best playmaker in the game which i think is ridiculous.

I can see his value to Tipp. They've struggled for ball winners in the forwards for a while and he can certainly be good at that. He is capable of causing damage to Kilkenny if he gathers the ball and gets turned because he is strong and fast. I still wouldn't rate his chances of taking his own score as any better than 50:50 even with nobody near him, simply because his striking is so poor. Eoin Murphy should have saved his goal in the 2014 final as it was very poorly struck.

Under Brian Cody, Kilkenny have always had several players as adept as Bonner at winning the ball but all would have far more ability with the ball in hand. Even Walter Walsh (a likely Allstar this year!), who can be cumbersome and has an awkward grip, might as well be DJ Carey or Eoin Kelly when compared to Bonner.

Agree with your first point, your last point is extreme hyperbole though.

unrealtime · 29-08-2016 03:09PM

It's nice to see a bit of hyperbole from Kilkenny fans - it's very rare indeed.

danganabu · 29-08-2016 03:15PM

unrealtime wrote: »

It's nice to see a bit of hyperbole from Kilkenny fans - it's very rare indeed.

A very insightful and useful contribution as always, good lad.

dubcat51 · 29-08-2016 06:07PM

danganabu wrote: »

Your dad?? Remind me why Kieran Joyce started the replay???

4-15, an all star and AI medal and handed both Brian Hogan and John Teneyson their arses in AI finals, I think the Bonner will be alright

Kieron joyce mom in replay 14.bonner scored 0.wonder how joyce got mom

blackcard · 29-08-2016 06:32PM

Rarely have I seen Kilkenny fans as pessimistic about their chances going into an AI. Even lads who would be always bullish about winning are now cautious. KK have lost Richie Power, Michael Fennelly and JJ Delaney from the 2014 side whereas Tipp have brought in John McGrath and Michael Breen

danganabu · 29-08-2016 06:45PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Kieron joyce mom in replay 14.bonner scored 0.wonder how joyce got mom

Because Hogan was droped after having his arse handed to him in the drawn game

letsseehere14 · 29-08-2016 06:50PM

dubcat51 wrote:

Kieron joyce mom in replay 14.bonner scored 0.wonder how joyce got mom

Bonner has a poor strike there is no denying that, 1 on 1 through in goal he is also poor. But he is excellent with other aspects such as winning dirty ball, drawing defenders to him and playing others through.
He is not the best playmaker but he is an excellent hurler.
I think he was injured for the 14 replay wasn't he? But played anyway, it explained his poor showing that day.

lukin · 29-08-2016 08:22PM

blackcard wrote: »

Rarely have I seen Kilkenny fans as pessimistic about their chances going into an AI. Even lads who would be always bullish about winning are now cautious.

Heh, ye are just taking a leaf out of the book of cute Kerry hoorism. Lulls the opposition into a false sense of security. Then ye go out and hammer them.

Xenophile · 29-08-2016 08:55PM

Information please !

How many medals do each team get after a final and what is criterion for distributing these ?

unrealtime · 29-08-2016 10:13PM

As Paddy Grace said we have no hope against this mighty Tipp team but we'll turn up to puck out the ball to them anyway. Tipp fans need not despair; game will be over in 15 minutes 😪

Brian Gavins whistle · 29-08-2016 11:46PM

I think Cody should start Jackie Tyrrell full forward, and reign balls in on his head, target the full back line, which is a bit suspect.

danganabu · 30-08-2016 09:33AM

unrealtime wrote: »

As Paddy Grace said we have no hope against this mighty Tipp team but we'll turn up to puck out the ball to them anyway. Tipp fans need not despair; game will be over in 15 minutes 😪

Talking from the grave is Paddy??

tbiggertycome · 30-08-2016 12:30PM

In fairness I've heard Jackie is hurling well in training but as the man himself said to me a few years ago. "If you ever see me taking a shot for a score you know we're fu***d".

I'm delighted if he is going well as he's putting pressure on the lads in there to up they're game. Would be a massive call to start him at this stage and the only place I think you'll see him would be at 4. Prendergast has done nothing wrong and will he disturb our best line so far this year? Although if you had a choice between a Jackie of 11 or 12 versus Prendergast who would you pick? I'd have Jackie but is he going that well? Do you drop your captain? All big calls

adrian522 · 30-08-2016 12:54PM

I think 1-8 is pretty obvious. Only call really is who to play in mid field alongside Fogarty and who to pick in the forwards.

dubcat51 · 30-08-2016 05:51PM

Anyone think bolger john walsh or even awlyard might make the matchday 26.also if we pull this one off it would be great to introduce the 3 mentioned above plus a few more like jason cleere tommy walsh rob lennon etc during the league next year.we could go from functional to good maybe&#55357;&#56835;

kk1970 · 30-08-2016 06:03PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Anyone think bolger john walsh or even awlyard might make the matchday 26.also if we pull this one off it would be great to introduce the 3 mentioned above plus a few more like jason cleere tommy walsh rob lennon etc during the league next year.we could go from functional to good maybe��

No...

brookville · 30-08-2016 06:25PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Anyone think bolger john walsh or even awlyard might make the matchday 26.also if we pull this one off it would be great to introduce the 3 mentioned above plus a few more like jason cleere tommy walsh rob lennon etc during the league next year.we could go from functional to good maybe��

I agree the likes of bolger,john walsh,conor delaney etc are good prospects and will probaly see league action next year plus awlyard and maher should be back from injury.kevin kelly should be that bit stronger.I'd expect diarmuid coady to take michael fennellys spot on the panel.Ger is gone for the year unfortunately and it doesn't look like maher will make it back.

Cornerback1 · 30-08-2016 06:26PM

From Kilkenny's point of view, I think part of the 'Tipperary will win' is on the law of averages. It's like Kilkenny have beaten Tipp in a lot of big games and finals recently that the mind is like, sure they have to win sometime. The law of averages and all that.

I give the KK a great chance of winning. Loads of experience on the big day and proven players on the big stage.

mountgomery burns · 31-08-2016 08:42AM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Anyone think bolger john walsh or even awlyard might make the matchday 26.also if we pull this one off it would be great to introduce the 3 mentioned above plus a few more like jason cleere tommy walsh rob lennon etc during the league next year.we could go from functional to good maybe��

Lad Aylward did his cruciate in February, you won't see him again till the middle of the league next year.

tbiggertycome · 31-08-2016 09:36AM

Although Aylward and Maher are back in training with the lads I'd be amazed to see them named on the bench. I did see Ger on the town last week and he looked in fine shape but too early for them I'd say. John Walsh is not in the extended panel this year hopefully next year. Bolger is on the extended training panel but I don't think he's playing all the training matches so he's going to struggle to make the bench too.

adrian522 · 31-08-2016 11:31AM

Anyone read James Woodlock going on about the referee in the Examiner?

The sort of stuff you'd expect from keyboard warriors here on boards or over on premier view, not what I'd expect from him to be honest. I'd wonder is that view shared with players still on the panel?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ex-tipperary-star-james-woodlock-wants-fairness-from-brian-gavin-418636.html

danganabu · 31-08-2016 11:51AM

adrian522 wrote: »

Anyone read James Woodlock going on about the referee in the Examiner?

The sort of stuff you'd expect from keyboard warriors here on boards or over on premier view, not what I'd expect from him to be honest. I'd wonder is that view shared with players still on the panel?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ex-tipperary-star-james-woodlock-wants-fairness-from-brian-gavin-418636.html

It's ill advised drivel but Woodlock is just an normal Tipp fan, has no involvement what soever with the current set-up so obviously his views are in no way a reflection of the current players.

In the same way that Eddie Keher and Noel Skehan and I think was it Wille O'Connor all spouted drivel in the wake of the 2014 drawn match, being an ex-player does not suddenly empower one with intelligence or tact.

dastardly00 · 31-08-2016 11:58AM

adrian522 wrote: »

Anyone read James Woodlock going on about the referee in the Examiner?

The sort of stuff you'd expect from keyboard warriors here on boards or over on premier view, not what I'd expect from him to be honest. I'd wonder is that view shared with players still on the panel?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ex-tipperary-star-james-woodlock-wants-fairness-from-brian-gavin-418636.html

He doesn't really give definitive reasons for Tipp fans being 'apprehensive' about Gavin does he?

The fact that Barry Kelly hasn't reffed a KK championship match in the last couple of years is a valid point.

The argument regarding Munster referees has nothing got to KK and is a different story altogether.

Overall I think the Examiner have heavily edited the interview and sensationalised it.

I also agree with Danganabu's post.
Eddie Keher has come out with some amount of horse manure over the years.

adrian522 · 31-08-2016 12:02PM

To my mind it is completely irrelevant what province a ref is from. Seems like there is apprehension when none is needed?

Not sure why they would be looking for excuses before the ball is thrown in.

Can't think of too many Munster refs who would be in the running to be honest. Wadding, bad ref, not sure if he is even still around. Sexton, again not sure if he is still knocking about, who else?

dastardly00 · 31-08-2016 12:09PM

It's much more worthwhile reading Richie Power's comments that were published in this article today.

He's pushed his body way past it's limits in order to win AI titles, and he'll be suffering for the rest of his life because of it.

"Having three operations in 10 months, the deterioration in the knee was a lot worse than the specialist was expecting. I was under the influence, as was the surgeon, that he’d get me back hurling going into the operation last October.

“Unfortunately, after he came out of the knee, that wasn’t the case. What happened between July and October was a lot more severe than we all thought.”

“A knee is not something you can build up. It’s not a muscle. You can’t really do much bar build up around it. From a very young age I was prone to knee problems. First operation was when I was 16. That’s when it all started for me. I got 14 years out of it.

“If I can get back with the club, that will be something. It would be nice to give something back after missing so many years after being involved with Kilkenny. Time will tell on that front.”

The 30-year-old is aware he faces knee replacement surgery 10 or 15 years down the line. In day-to-day life the knee gives him pain some mornings and especially during the winter months. That’s part of the deal when you have ”two bones grinding off each other,” as he describes it.

Power is asked if he would trade an All-Ireland medal or two for a fully-functioning knee.

“Of course I would – you’d give it back.”

But then, even with eight Celtic Crosses in his medal cabinet at home, he backtracks somewhat.

“It’s a high price to pay from that point of view but I suppose then you’re playing at the highest level. You’re going to get these knocks and bruises and bumps.

“Would I like to have a fully functioning knee? Absolutely. Would I change my career? I don’t think so. The success that we had. I suppose it’s a price I kind of have to pay on a personal level."

kk.man · 31-08-2016 12:12PM

I would not like to have Barry Kelly under any circumstances however the 'best' ref I ever saw was Dickie Murphy of Wexford he had it all, let game flow and when he did blow the whistle took the heat of his decisions by communicating effetely with the players thus they were less aggravated and that followed through to the fans.

danganabu · 31-08-2016 12:15PM

Unfortunately what Power is/was going through will become the norm for many many players with the strains being put on players bodies in the modern game, as he says himself a high price to pay.

But really he shouldn't have gone for the operation drunk, and certainly shouldnt have let the surgeon perform it after a drink

granturismo · 31-08-2016 12:23PM

adrian522 wrote: »

To my mind it is completely irrelevant what province a ref is from. Seems like there is apprehension when none is needed?

Not sure why they would be looking for excuses before the ball is thrown in.

Can't think of too many Munster refs who would be in the running to be honest. Wadding, bad ref, not sure if he is even still around. Sexton, again not sure if he is still knocking about, who else?

True. There is a limited pool, this article lists 9, two of which are from Tipperary, one from Cork and one from Waterford.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-refs-cartel-bad-for-hurling-34971725.html

dastardly00 · 31-08-2016 12:27PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Can't think of too many Munster refs who would be in the running to be honest. Wadding, bad ref, not sure if he is even still around. Sexton, again not sure if he is still knocking about, who else?

There aren't too many referees in the running for the big games.

And it's been fairly obvious over the past few years who they are.
Basically it's Brian Gavin, James Owens, James McGrath and Barry Kelly.

Wadding and Sexton are gone. Here's a list of the "Munster" referees who have taken charge in matches in the 2016 championship:

Fergal Horgan (Tipperary): Leinster Final KK-Galway; Leinster Quarter-Final Dublin-Wexford.
Diarmuid Kirwan (Cork): Leinster Quarter-Final Westmeath-Galway.
Colm Lyons (Cork): Leinster Semi-Final Offaly-Galway; Leinster Qualifier Group Round 1 Kerry-Carlow.
Johnny Ryan (Tipperary): AI Qualifier Round 1 Wexford-Offaly; Leinster Quarter-Final Offaly-Laois.

I posted this before, but here is a list of who has reffed the AI semi-finals and finals over the last few years.

Year | Final | Semi-Final (Leinster Winner) | Semi-Final (Munster Winner)
2016 | B Gavin | J Owens / J McGrath (Replay) | B Kelly
2015 | J Owens | B Gavin | B Kelly
2014 | B Kelly / B Gavin (Replay) | J McGrath | J Owens
2013 | B Gavin / J McGrath (Replay) | J Owens | J Ryan
2012 | B Kelly / J McGrath (Replay) | B Gavin | C McAllister
2011 | B Gavin | B Kelly | C McAllister
2010 | M Wadding | B Gavin | J Sexton

adrian522 · 31-08-2016 12:29PM

granturismo wrote: »

True. There is a limited pool, this article lists 9, two of which are from Tipperary, one from Cork and one from Waterford.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-refs-cartel-bad-for-hurling-34971725.html

If Breheny had his way there'd be a free every 30 seconds.

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