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  • #3512
    Michael OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    I'm non-religious and do not support the ban
    magicbastarder wrote: »
    Why has no state - that I know of - tried to ban swimming in heavy clothes so? This argument really comes across as spurious.

    Because people are not usually stupid enough to swim with heavy clothing (barring an emergency where they cannot undress in time).
    Drowning tends to be enough of a deterrent for most sane people.
    Same with not having to ban people from eating rocks. Those that do are a lesson for everyone else.

    I did not say I support the ban, I said I would report that someone was dressed dangerously in the water. The goal is to make sure that the lifeguard can warn them or at least keep an eye on them if they get into trouble.


  • #3513
    Michael OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    I'm non-religious and do not support the ban
    Qs wrote: »
    I was in the sea up to me knees today with my shorts and t-shirt on while paddling with my kid. Should I have been arrested? Do you thing I was endangering myself and others?

    Don't quotemine me.


  • #3514
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I'm religious and support the ban
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    I never said I wanted to kill people. That was only in your own head.

    You should re-read your own posts. In the post below, you are basically advocating that any culture you find intolerant or uncompromising should be destroyed utterly. The attitude conveyed in your posts is about the most intolerant and uncompromising I've read in some time, and while we might both be from the same country, I would say I've more in common with those you're seeking to wipe out.
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    Multiculturalism cannot work if intolerant and uncompromising cultures exist. The intolerant and uncompromising cultures can only be kept at arms length or destroyed utterly.

    Keeping a violent culture at arms length is reckless, foolhardy and dangerous.


  • #3515
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I'm non-religious and do not support the ban
    Look at what happened to Tibet. They were a bit too happy clappy and laid back. They tried to keep the Chinese at arms length for a while. It didn't work. They failed to put up any effective resistance when Chinese invaded. Since then China has been flooding the place with immigrants and soon Tibetan culture will remain only in a theme park run by the Chinese govt. The Dalai Lama has given up, and accepted that he will be the last of his kind.
    Its a kind of evolution. The survival of the fittest and the most aggressive culture. You snooze, you lose.


  • #3516
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,112 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I'm religious and support the ban
    might is right.


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  • #3517
    starshine1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭starshine1234


    smacl wrote: »
    You should re-read your own posts. In the post below, you are basically advocating that any culture you find intolerant or uncompromising should be destroyed utterly. The attitude conveyed in your posts is about the most intolerant and uncompromising I've read in some time, and while we might both be from the same country, I would say I've more in common with those you're seeking to wipe out.

    Nonsense post.

    I am not saying that the cultures should be wiped out.

    I am saying they cannot be co-existed with.

    Work on your comprehension please and stop making false accusations against me.

    You are very intolerant yourself. I am not judgemental and I have said so many times. You appear to take pleasure in being a bigot.


    Should I apologise for being uncompromising?
    What is wrong with having an opinion?


    I refuse to tolerate intolerance.
    You can tolerate child rape and rapists, and murderers and honour killings but I don't.

    I consider you to be an apologist for terrible crimes and for terrible criminals.


  • #3518
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,066 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    I'm religious and support the ban
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    I am not judgemental and I have said so many times.
    directly followed by.......
    You appear to take pleasure in being a bigot.
    :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3519
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,815 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm non-religious and do not support the ban
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    But you did.

    You completely mis-represented my position.

    I absolutely did not.
    Did I say anything about killing people?
    Did I mention the Serbs or the Bosniaks?

    I never said you did.
    I did ask a question however (did you see the question marks?) about how you could possibly implement such an idiotic, Trump-brainfart-esque idea as banning Islam in Europe. There are muslims native to Europe who have been here for hundreds of years. You appear ignorant of this.

    Also describing me as a lefty - at least that gave me a good laugh.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #3520
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,789 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    starshine1234 wrote: »
    I am saying they cannot be co-existed with.

    Separate but equal?


  • #3521
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,112 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I'm religious and support the ban
    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Also describing me as a lefty - at least that gave me a good laugh.
    left/right are relative terms, remember. so it may be accurate.


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  • #3522
    starshine1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭starshine1234


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    I did ask a question however (did you see the question marks?) about how you could possibly implement such an idiotic, Trump-brainfart-esque idea as banning Islam in Europe. There are muslims native to Europe who have been here for hundreds of years. You appear ignorant of this.

    Also describing me as a lefty - at least that gave me a good laugh.

    The questions you asked were rhetorical questions.
    You know, questions asked for rhetorical effect where the answer is supposed to be obvious.

    You started your rhetorical questions by saying 'So you think.. ' and then you put in a completely extreme statement, and something I have never said.
    You said I wanted people killed but I never said that I did.


    Dishonest at best, and deliberately misleading and combative at worst.


  • #3523
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I'm religious and support the ban
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    Nonsense post.

    I am not saying that the cultures should be wiped out.

    I am saying they cannot be co-existed with.

    Work on your comprehension please and stop making false accusations against me.

    You are very intolerant yourself. I am not judgemental and I have said so many times. You appear to take pleasure in being a bigot.


    Should I apologise for being uncompromising?
    What is wrong with having an opinion?


    I refuse to tolerate intolerance.
    You can tolerate child rape and rapists, and murderers and honour killings but I don't.

    I consider you to be an apologist for terrible crimes and for terrible criminals.

    Perhaps we should get all of these darned Christians out of this country as well while we're at it. Between the paedophile priests and murderous Magdelen nuns, they really are a rather unsavoury lot, so by your logic every Catholic in this country is clearly a rapist or murderer. Actually, between the IRA and the UVF, I think we should just get rid of the Irish full stop, obviously psychotic bástards every man, woman and child.

    Or maybe your're painting with too broad a brush there?

    You consider me a bigot? Fair enough so, I despise xenophobes.


  • #3524
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,066 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    I'm religious and support the ban
    Latest on the burkini ban in France.

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/769160957734031361

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3525
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I'm religious and support the ban
    CqfaSyHXEAAzMhq.jpg


  • #3526
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,066 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    I'm religious and support the ban
    France's top administrative court has overturned a town burkini ban amid shock and anger worldwide after some Muslim women were ordered to remove body-concealing garments on French Riviera beaches.

    The ruling by the Council of State specifically concerns a ban in the Riviera town of Villeneuve-Loubet, but the binding decision is expected to set a legal precedent for all the 30 or so French resort municipalities that have issued similar decrees.

    Lawyers for two human rights groups challenged the legality of the ban, saying the orders infringe basic freedoms and that mayors have overstepped their powers by telling women what to wear on beaches.

    Source

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3527
    starshine1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭starshine1234


    Everybody knows that judges are out of touch with their own societies. I'm not surprised by the judges decision.

    Ultimately something will have to be done about the failure of our societies.

    France is doomed as its society is made up of incompatable peoples.

    Ireland can still save itself. We only have to reject the mental illness that is liberalism and multiculturalism.

    No Islam for Ireland.


  • #3528
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,112 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I'm religious and support the ban
    sarkozy claimed he'd introduce it nationwide if elected. will see how he'll peddle this one.


  • #3529
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I'm religious and support the ban
    recedite wrote: »
    Look at what happened to Tibet. They were a bit too happy clappy and laid back.

    Not so much happy clappy and laid back as a bloody, feudal theocracy caught with its pants down. To be fair, the Dalai Lama could give the Pope lessons in PR, but before you swallow too much of the happy clappy line, a little bit of Tibetan history makes for a good read.


  • #3530
    Nick Park
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    starshine1234 wrote: »
    Everybody knows that judges are out of touch with their own societies. I'm not surprised by the judges decision.

    Ultimately something will have to be done about the failure of our societies.

    France is doomed as its society is made up of incompatable peoples.

    Ireland can still save itself. We only have to reject the mental illness that is liberalism and multiculturalism.

    No Islam for Ireland.

    France is doomed as a society if, in fighting intolerant extremism, it ends up becoming increasingly intolerant itself. The only way that nut jobs like Islamic fundamentalists win is if they make us more like them in our intolerance and bigotry.

    Yes to Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism and many other religions and ideologies co-existing peacefully in a secular Ireland.


  • #3531
    Qs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Qs


    I'm religious and support the ban
    Michael OBrien wrote: »
    Don't quotemine me.

    Isn't that a convenient tactic when you say something stupid that you don't want to have to defend.


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  • #3532
    starshine1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭starshine1234


    Nick Park wrote:
    Yes to Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism and many other religions and ideologies co-existing peacefully in a secular Ireland.


    And Nazism too?

    Or is that a bridge too far?


  • #3533
    Qs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Qs


    I'm religious and support the ban
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    And Nazism too?

    Or is that a bridge too far?

    There are neo-nazis throughout Europe, sometimes they go by different names now and sometimes they do not. The extreme fascistic right wing ideology is present though and it has representation. We don't ban people having distasteful opinions, or at least we shouldn't.


  • #3534
    starshine1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭starshine1234


    Nick Park wrote: »
    The only way that nut jobs like Islamic fundamentalists win is if they make us more like them in our intolerance and bigotry.


    This is simply ludicrous.

    What if the Islamic Fundementalists kill us all?

    Will they have won then?
    From their point of view they would have won.

    You simply appear to be unable to see the world from the point of view of Islam. We in the west are weak and are ripe to be destroyed. That is the intention of Islam. To convert people or to kill them.

    But you're afraid of what people will say about you.

    You are so proud and vain that you will allow anything to happen as long as you're not called silly names.

    Virtue signalling nonsense.


  • #3535
    starshine1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭starshine1234


    Qs wrote: »
    There are neo-nazis throughout Europe, sometimes they go by different names now and sometimes they do not. The extreme fascistic right wing ideology is present though and it has representation. We don't ban people having distasteful opinions, or at least we shouldn't.


    Ludicrous and ill-informed.

    Nazism is banned in much of europe.


  • #3536
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,066 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    I'm religious and support the ban
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    This is simply ludicrous.

    What if the Islamic Fundementalists kill us all?

    Will they have won then?
    From their point of view they would have won.

    You simply appear to be unable to see the world from the point of view of Islam. We in the west are weak and are ripe to be destroyed. That is the intention of Islam. To convert people or to kill them.

    But you're afraid of what people will say about you.

    You are so proud and vain that you will allow anything to happen as long as you're not called silly names.

    Virtue signalling nonsense.

    So on my way home if I meet a Muslim, they will attempt to convert and then when that fails, kill me?

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3537
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I'm religious and support the ban
    Nick Park wrote: »
    France is doomed as a society if, in fighting intolerant extremism, it ends up becoming increasingly intolerant itself. The only way that nut jobs like Islamic fundamentalists win is if they make us more like them in our intolerance and bigotry.

    There is also the question of how to deal with the dangerous nut jobs from the far right, who seem to be popping up all over the face of Europe like a bad case of acne. Seeing the likes of Farage and Trump (Tweedle dumb and Tweedle dumber) on stage together might be funny if it wasn't for the fact that some people actually take heed of the crap they spout.


  • #3538
    Nick Park
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    starshine1234 wrote: »
    This is simply ludicrous.

    What if the Islamic Fundementalists kill us all?

    Will they have won then?
    From their point of view they would have won.

    You simply appear to be unable to see the world from the point of view of Islam. We in the west are weak and are ripe to be destroyed. That is the intention of Islam. To convert people or to kill them.

    Your ignorance concerning the varied forms of Islam is really quite breathtaking.
    But you're afraid of what people will say about you.

    You are so proud and vain that you will allow anything to happen as long as you're not called silly names.

    Virtue signalling nonsense.

    That's a great theory. The reason why I, as a Christian pastor using my own name, post on an Atheist discussion forum is because I'm afraid of what people might say about me.

    That makes about as much sense as anything else you've posted. :pac:


  • #3539
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I'm religious and support the ban
    Nick Park wrote: »
    That's a great theory. The reason why I, as a Christian pastor using my own name, post on an Atheist discussion forum is because I'm afraid of what people might say about me.

    Ah now, here was me thinking you were the creator....

    Wallace_and_gromit.jpg

    ... of these guys that is ;)


  • #3540
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    I'm non-religious and do not support the ban
    Mod:
    starshine1234 wrote: »
    Work on your comprehension please and stop making false accusations against me. [...] You are very intolerant yourself. I am not judgemental and I have said so many times. You appear to take pleasure in being a bigot.
    Starshine has been carded for ignoring direct moderator warning.

    Next up is a red card, then a ban for further intemperate fist-waving.


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  • #3541
    Nick Park
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    smacl wrote: »
    Ah now, here was me thinking you were the creator....

    Wallace_and_gromit.jpg

    ... of these guys that is ;)

    Sadly I am not that creative.

    I do occasionally get letters from kids telling me how much they enjoy Wallace and Grommit. I usually respond that they've got the wrong Nick Park, but that I enjoy Wallace and Grommit too.

    Then I console myself by imagining that the other Nick Park must get fed up of receiving letters at Aardman Animations telling him how inspiring they found his sermon last Sunday.

    Screen-Shot-2013-11-10-at-21.37.55.png


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